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A custom footbed and/or move up from CRL 90s?

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
I was put into a pair of these by a boot dealer (certainly not a boot fitter) after a two minute discussion about my skiing style. I'm a 170lb, 5'10" mostly Vermont type 9 that seeks out the uncharted regions of MRG, Jay & Kmart, and occasionally get out west. Goat's Head this winter....w00p! After skiing them a couple of times I realized that this was probably a mistake. The CRLs are like Rolls Royces, comfy & easy all day long, but that doesn't cut it when ripping. Toe bang, 2 out of four buckles cranked all the way, flex when I want more bite, etc.

There's a local boot fitter who wants to do a footbed for me, claiming this will clear up the black toe and buckle issues. Should I bother, or instead move to a Comp 120 and footbeds?

BTW, get well soon, Alfonse...the snow's a coming!
post #2 of 17
I think that custom footbed are a good idea for most skiers regardless of what boot they have.

As to the boots, if you're the skier you say you are, the CRL 90 is not near enough boot for you. Trade up!!
post #3 of 17
Originally Posted by Coach13
I think that custom footbed are a good idea for most skiers regardless of what boot they have.

As to the boots, if you're the skier you say you are, the CRL 90 is not near enough boot for you. Trade up!!
What he said.
post #4 of 17
Third vote.
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post #6 of 17
Big dissenting vote. Although the CLR 90 is a good boot you are getting toe bang and cranking buckles. THE BOOT IS TOO BIG!!!! Footbeds are still a good idea as you should be fitted with them in place in the first place. You need to be in a boot that fits not one that lets your foot slide around until your toe hits. The guy you are talking to now claims a footbed will fix that. With a boot that is too big that is absolutely not the case. Pull the liner and shell fit that boot and report back, then we can talk.
post #7 of 17
If you are a L9 skier, you should have foot beds.

If the boot fits that bad, throw it away and get new boots.

So, buy both. Don't waste your time doing one or the other. Also, pay for a full alignment set up.

Oh yeah, and find a good bootfitter. See GMOL are Stratton or Ski Stop in Westwood MA or one of the other recommended places in the gear forum.

Oh yeah, one more thing, don't look a prices for boots or services, get the whole deal done in one shabang without even looking at the prices. Hand the guy your Visa card. Don't even look at the slip, just sign it. Worry about how the heck you are going to pay for it next summer when ski season is over.
post #8 of 17
I agree with L7 it sounds like your boot is too big. While a footbed can help stabilize your foot, it can also change the shape your foot presents to the boot. In some cases a footbed that is right for your foot, could just make your fit issue worse.

Shell fit your boots to check the size. For a performance fit there should be about 1 inch to a max of 1 1/12 inches behind your heel. Another rough guide to sizing is to measure your foot when it is weighted. The lenghth of your foot in Centimetres is roughly the Mondo size you should start your search at. If your foot measures 28 cm start looking at size 28 boots. Just a starting point not a hard and fast rule for getting it right. But if your foot is 28cm long and your are in a size 30 boot it is probably too big for a perrformance fit.

A good boot fitter may be able to make your existing boots work, but I would bet that it will be a short term fix at best. The boots will continue to pack out and it is likely that your problems will return. The good news is that it is ski swap time, and a lightly used pair of new boots should get a good price. Did the store you got your boots from offer any fit guaranntee, maybe you can take them back and get them to give you a a pair that is the right size. Finaly don't rush fitting boots, it can take several hours to get fitted properly, and when going for a performace fit it can take several visits and 5 to 6 hours of your time. The time you invest with a GOOD boot fitter pays off on the hill.
post #9 of 17
Gee I always thought you shell fit 1/2" to 3/4", 5/8" being optimal for most skiers.

Oh, one more thing. A custom footbed, even though it may take up more volume than the stock footbed, may actually make the boot fit looser, not tighter. I know that sounds counter-intuitive but with your foot supported properly, it won't splay out as much and will thus will be both shorter and narrower.
post #10 of 17
CRL 90 Is a great boot for an intermediate recreational skier with a D width or greater. The boot sounds too big, you should have a foot bed and a more aggressive boot. Which boot depends on your foot shape. Try Lange Comp 120 in both low and medium fit. Try the Tecnica Diablo Pro 130 & 110, the Nordica Doberman Pro 130 & 110. These are all high end performance all mountain ski boots. If a shop carries these boots, they definately have people who know how to fit you.

post #11 of 17

You are correct. An 1" to 1.5" is WAY too much room. IMO, 13mm (1/2") will give you a very close fit, though you may require some punch outs/grinding/stretching.
post #12 of 17
Whoops I did mess up the spacing behind the heal above. It should be as mentioned a 1/2 inch to 3/4 of an inch.

Good point also on shell fitting with the footbed in place. For some people that can make a big difference.
post #13 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the feedback. I just pulled the bladder & measured nmad near 1.25" behind my fairly shallow heel. Photo at: http://quaffle.alpinista.org/george/poor_shell_fit.jpg

After all these comments, and quite a bit of reading, I'm beginning to understand why I often feel like I'm fighting to hold a line.

I, unfortunately, didn't start skiing seriously until just a few years ago. I latched onto a couple of great skiers who really pushed me hard, but without having any "formal" upbringing, alot of the finer points of equipment selection & tuning were lost. Judging by my gear ignorance, the ski shop (I won't mention names here) tech likely brushed me off as a wannabe type A and sold what he thought would make me happiest. They are the same folks that over-drilled a pair of skis that needed remounting for my wife. Nice, huh?

I'm off to the swap with boots in hand. Can I interest anyone in a pair of 11-11.5 CRL90s that have been thoroughly abused? I'll throw in the rock dust & bark at no extra charge.
post #14 of 17
I'm off to the swap with boots in hand. /QUOTE]

Where is the swap?
post #15 of 17

Doubt it's the one alpinista is talking about but Wachusett has a swap coming up--

post #16 of 17
Thread Starter 
Most likely I'll be at Okemo (Nov 18-20) or Smuggs (somewhere around Columbus Day).
post #17 of 17
Dave at Mountainside Ski Service does good bootfitting work. The shop is in the Mountainside condos at Sugarbush. He is not there full time until the snow flys so call ahead.
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