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post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
Demo days in the US will start in November. Since that's only two months away, it's time to start "the list". What are the "must try" skis this year? What are the trends that you see emerging, shifting, or expanding this season? What are you going to try to ski?
post #2 of 28
Thread Starter 
I'll start...

Atomic Metron:b5 (this is my "gold standard")
Nordica Hot Rod Top Fuel
Head monster i.m 72 srII (Keelty made me do it)
Dynastar Legend 8000
Fischer AMC 73
Volkl Allstart
Volkl AC3
Volkl AC4
K2 Apache Crossfire

I skied some of these last year, so they'll go lower on my list.

What about you?
post #3 of 28
Well I doubt I'll be demoing anything this year, but if I was, I would like to try the following:

Volant Genesis M2
Atomic Metron B5
Volkl AC4
Volkl Mantra
Fischer AMC 79
Nordica Hot Rod Top Fuel

Yes, I think this site has gotten to me.
post #4 of 28
I really can't decide if I want to buy the Metron B5 this year or the Legend 8000 so I will probably be demoing those again.

Demo'd both of them quite a bit last year in Park City and reallly loved both those skis. Much different character though. I would really just like to have both and go with the 8800.

This year I am looking to finally get on the Volkl 5* and the rest of the lineup looks interesting as well. The Head 77 Chip looks intriguing. I'm getting out of the aspiring carver category and getting into the wannabe powder hog
post #5 of 28
I think the skis I want are going to sell out, so I'm just going to buy without demoing others. I skied the Allstar and the Nordica Hot Rod Top Fuel last year, and will buy them. I wish I could demo the Hot Rod in dfferent lengths, but I'm going to have to guess on it. I'd also like to buy a FIS slalom skis. I'm not sure which one though. It would be fun to demo those, but where do you demo race stock boards?
post #6 of 28
I would like to try the Atomic SL:11 and the Atomic GS:11.

Best,
Chris
post #7 of 28
I'll share my list. Note that I primarily favor wood+metal ski constructions. Also note that you won't see any Rossi or K2 on my list (but I should probably add some Fischer stuff to at least see how they feel). Some may disagree with how I group/categorize these skis, but this works for me.

RACING (<70mm / 12m-21m+)
Atomic GS:11
Blizzard Sigma GSR IQ
Dynastar Speed Course
Elan GSX Fusion Pro
Head Worldcup i.Race CP 13
Stockli Laser SC
Volkl Race Tiger RC

CROSS CARVER (~ 60mm-70mm / 14m-16m)
Atomic SX:10
Blizzard Sigma X-Cross 11
Dynastar Contact 11
Elan S12
Head i.XRC 1400 Chip SR II
Stockli Laser Cross
Volkl Supersport Allstar

ALL MOUNTAIN (~ 70mm-80mm / 16m-18m)
Atomic Metron M:11 (this is much "turnier" than typical for this group)
Blizzard Titan Seven
Dynastar Legend 4800
Elan M666
Elan Magfire 12
Head Monster i.M 77
Stockli Stormrider XL
Volkl Unlimited AC3

FREERIDE (~ 80mm-85mm / 18m-20m)
Atomic Sweet Daddy
Blizzard Titan Eight
Dynastar Legend 8000
Stockli Snake
Volkl Dogen

BIG MOUNTAIN (~ 85mm-95mm / 20m-24m)
Blizzard Titan Nine
Dynastar Legend 8800
Elan M777
Head Monster i.M 88
Stockli Snake BC
Stockli Stormrider DP
Volkl Karma (or Mantra)

POWDER SPECIALTY (~ 100mm+ / 24m+)
Atomic Pimp
Blizzard Titan Pro
Dynastar Legend Pro Rider
Elan M999
Head Supermojo
Volkl Gotama (or Mantra)
post #8 of 28
Goode 74's and 82's.
Nordie Hot Rod Top Fuels

I should also get on some MB5's (just to shut a certain person up)
post #9 of 28
This is just a rough list I've thrown together off the top of my head.
- Head i.Supershape - this one intrigues me, I'll be interested to see how it compares to my i.SL RD (same sandwich construction, but presumably the RD has more metal, therefore stiffer, more powerful).

- Metron B:5 - didn't get to try this one last year. I'm guessing it won't be as good for my purposes, since the benefits of the width are kinda lost in Ontario vs. a standard slalom carver.

- Head i.XRC 1200 SW - this is mostly just to compare with my current 1100 SW (last year's version of this ski) and see what if any difference the "Liquidmetal" makes. I would also highly recommend trying this to anyone who hasn't tried it already - absolutely kickass high performance ski. Easily one of the best last year, and it went relatively unnoticed.

- Rossi Z9 - A few of my sponsored instructor buddies got this towards the end of last season and liked it a lot.

- Nordica Speedmachine and Doberman - haven't tried Nordicas since they've picked up in quality.

Volkl Race Tiger GS/SL
post #10 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by CanuckInstructor
This is just a rough list I've thrown together off the top of my head.
- Head i.Supershape - this one intrigues me, I'll be interested to see how it compares to my i.SL RD (same sandwich construction, but presumably the RD has more metal, therefore stiffer, more powerful).
That one does look interesting..
post #11 of 28
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
I should also get on some MB5's (just to shut a certain person up)
Probably won't work...

post #12 of 28
Noodler, it's going to take at least 20 demo days to cover all your skis!

my fantasy demos:

Head iM88 liquid metal
Fischer Atua & Watea
Dynastar 8800

but I'm not likely to find any fun in any but the Dynastar since I need the Look/Rossi Pivot binding to put me in a solid fore/aft posture, and I doubt I'll find that binding on any demos.

it's more likely I"ll just get my Elan M666 flat and be done with it. might get some Elan M777 too. I really liked those Elan M666 for my ski technique and terrain/snow preferences.
post #13 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by ssh
Probably won't work...

A man can hope, can't he?
post #14 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzostrike
Noodler, it's going to take at least 20 demo days to cover all your skis!
Heh heh, no kidding. Actually after posting that I realized that I keep riding the same kind of stuff season after season and every now and then I think it's good to get on some boards you would think that you would hate. That would either confirm your current opinion or open your eyes to new possibilities.

So maybe Noodler should get on some Salomon wet noodles once this season?
post #15 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Noodler
Heh heh, no kidding. Actually after posting that I realized that I keep riding the same kind of stuff season after season and every now and then I think it's good to get on some boards you would think that you would hate. That would either confirm your current opinion or open your eyes to new possibilities.

So maybe Noodler should get on some Salomon wet noodles once this season?
don't demo them. just buy them.

BTW, the Blue Noodle replacement is rumored to be less noodly.
post #16 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzostrike
but I'm not likely to find any fun in any but the Dynastar since I need the Look/Rossi Pivot binding to put me in a solid fore/aft posture, and I doubt I'll find that binding on any demos.

it's more likely I"ll just get my Elan M666 flat and be done with it. might get some Elan M777 too. I really liked those Elan M666 for my ski technique and terrain/snow preferences.
I hear you about the demo binding issues. After my "epiphany" last season (when I realized that most of my quiver probably has the bindings mounted too far back for my body stature), I really have to wonder now about the effectiveness of demos when they're not really set up ideally for you. I have some pretty strong opinions about what is the ideal amount of lift, delta angle, and fore/aft mount position for me. It's hard to get those things "lined up" in a demo.

I'm also going to pickup some the new M666s (flat version) so it will be interesting to compare thoughts on these as the season progresses. I just picked up a pair of last season's S12s (also flat) to replace my aging Supersport 5-Stars.
post #17 of 28

Demo

Noodler, S12 not Ripstick?
post #18 of 28
I spoke directly with the Colorado Elan rep on this decision and this is what was sent back to me:
"The S12 was introduced when Volkl was gaining a lot of momentum with the Supersport series so it went relatively unnoticed. Basically all manufacturers scurried to the table with their version but Volkl invented the category with it's "forbidden side cut," non-FIS approved due to the shape. I always felt the S12 was a strong ski compared to a Volkl 5 star, S12 has a full wood core vs. foam/wood, fusion system vs. Motion, S12 has a sidewall 60/90/60 construction while the 5 star was a capped ski.
You're right that the Ripstick, it really isn't a replacement; my feelings are that category (I call it "race carver") has proven difficult to gain market share due to the reasons mentioned above. Where I see the Ripstick helping is it is a very solid but manageable ski, has full sidewall, fusion pro system; the toe floats but the heel is fixed so you come out of the turn like a rocket. Plus it looks good and has a descent name. It is really a modified Fusion Pro G from last year."

You find that the sidecut of the RIPstick isn't nearly as aggressive as the S12:
RIPstick = 109-66-98
S12 = 112-67-100

And the comparable lengths, 170cm for the RIPstick and 168cm for the S12, should also mean that the S12 will be a bit "turnier".

The comment regarding the Fusion Pro system also concerned me a bit and I'll have to get some clarification. It was stated that the heel is now fixed and the toe slides forward - in my research on this issue and my personal experience, I prefer systems that allow the heel to slide backward or have both the toe & heel slide.

All in all, I'm really happy that I was able to find last season's S12 in the flat version so that I can control the amount of binding lift, delta angle, and fore/aft mounting position. Of course there have been great reviews of the Fusion system and I do intend to demo it.
post #19 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by Noodler
Basically all manufacturers scurried to the table with their version but Volkl invented the category with it's "forbidden side cut," non-FIS approved due to the shape. I always felt the S12 was a strong ski compared to a Volkl 5 star, S12 has a full wood core vs. foam/wood, fusion system vs. Motion, S12 has a sidewall 60/90/60 construction while the 5 star was a capped ski.
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The 5 star has always been a vertically laminated sensor wood core. There has never been foam in the 5*
post #20 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by skifordad
The 5 star has always been a vertically laminated sensor wood core. There has never been foam in the 5*
Yes, that's what I always thought and remembered. I'm not sure where this Elan rep got that info. It sure wasn't from me!
post #21 of 28

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Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzostrike
.....it's more likely I"ll just get my Elan M666 flat and be done with it. might get some Elan M777 too. I really liked those Elan M666 for my ski technique and terrain/snow preferences.
Gonzo,
the M666s are nice as part of an AT setup also... :
post #22 of 28
I've narrowed down and re-ordered my list - and I still probably won't get to ski all of these:

Stockli Snake
Stockli Snake BC
Elan M777
Elan M999 (or a Magfire Fusion)
Atomic Metron M:11
Atomic Metron M:EX
Head i.M 77
Head i.M 88
Dynastar Legend 8000
Dynastar Legend 8800
Volkl Unlimited AC4
Volkl Mantra
Blizzard Titan Eight
Blizzard Titan Nine
post #23 of 28
Atomic IZOR 9.7
post #24 of 28
I'm going on a season-long demo of the Fischer WC SC , that nobody had in their demo rack last year.
If I get the chance I might try some Atomic Metron B5s and SLIIs and SX-b5s, and also if I come accross a free dome of any of the high end Volkl carving skis (superspeed and 6* replacements), and some smart Heads.
post #25 of 28
I will try to get my hands on the Nordica Dobermann WC SL and Volkl Racetiger SL. I have to do it although it is not going to be easy Also maybe Z9 and Allstar
post #26 of 28
Volkl Supersport Allstar.

After all the hype in the press, it's got to be worth a ride.

As a long-term Volkl guy, I was suprised at how uncomfortable I felt on the 5-star and 6-star. Too hooky for me (yet I loved Metrons with a larger side-cut).

I'm hoping Allstar will re-ignite the power rush I used to get from Volkls.
post #27 of 28
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Originally Posted by Captain_Strato
Volkl Supersport Allstar.

After all the hype in the press, it's got to be worth a ride.

As a long-term Volkl guy, I was suprised at how uncomfortable I felt on the 5-star and 6-star. Too hooky for me (yet I loved Metrons with a larger side-cut).

I'm hoping Allstar will re-ignite the power rush I used to get from Volkls.
For me, the M9 blew away the 6*, although the M9 was brand new. I'm not sure how good the tune was on the 6*.
post #28 of 28
i'm from the southern hemisphere, we get the 06' skis in our 05' season and i was fortunate enough to demo quite a few different skis, particularly race skis anyway i'll list some and rate them:

1. 06' Fischer RC4 race stock SL - 5 stars
2. " Fischer RC4 race stock GS - 4 stars
3. Atomic SL:11 race stock - 4 stars, same as GS:11
4. Nordica SLR and GSR both 4 stars
5. Head GS and SL - did'nt like them, the flex pattern was a little odd for me
6. K2 Public Enemy - alot of fun, firm and manouverable
7. Dynastar race skis - not bad
8. Salomon "Guns" - they turn like a slalom ski
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