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177cm Karma's too short for me?

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Hey there,

Can't find the sticky thread for how to format such as question, so I'll try to keep it as structured as possible.


Age: 22
Weight: 165 - 170 (winter/polar bear weight)
Height: 5' 9"

Mountains I will sky: West Coast Canada (Sun Peaks in Kamloops, BC and Whitewater in Nelson, BC)

Condiitons I'll be skiing it: powder, crud, groomers (fast GS turns), and a lot of soft-pack

Past Skis: 190cm Volkl Carvers, 193? cm Rossi Bandits

Skiing Level: 7/8 right now.

QUESTION:

Is a 177cm Volkl Karma going to be too short for me?

I went to a shop in Nelson today, and they had a pair of 185's that just looked right to my eye. I have never skied on a short ski before, so I have no idea if I'll like it or not.

Any ideas/recommendations/questions for me.

Any help would be much appreciated. This are the first ski purchase that I will make, where I want to buy a ski that is not a constraint on me.

Thanks

matt
post #2 of 17
Matt, I would think the 177cm Karmas would be just about right for you. I'm about your size (5 lbs less), and I have been interested in that exact ski. On the other hand, my "carving" skis are 163cm Head XRC 1100 SWs, not 190 cm. There are others here who can provide you with much more info about the Volkl line. PS- If you see any good deals on some 177 Karmas , don't hesitate to post it.
post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 
yah, i think if anything, most people will think they are slightly small; but manageable.

Right now, I've lined up a deal for $600 CDN for non-skied, non-mounted, 04/05 Karmas, with some Solly 912s. I think it's a fairly good deal. If I don't buy them, I'll pass on your name to the seller.

keep the opinions coming

cheers
post #4 of 17
The Karmas are a pretty beefy ski, and you aren't all that heavy, I'd expect a 177 would be a good length, unless you plan on straight-lining big mountain sides.

If I was getting them, I'd go for that length, and I'm around 185-190 (and getting lighter). Actually, go ahead and buy them and send them to me.
post #5 of 17
One thing to keep in mind is that the Karma's are a twin tip. The 185's will ski a bit shorter than that.
post #6 of 17
Thread Starter 
I definitely posted this is the wrong section...dumb-dumb. Thanks for moving it.

U.P. Racer:

That is my main issue. Would a 185cm, have a surface area of about 180 cm, and a 177cm have a surface area of 172 in contact w/ the snow?

Volant Addict:

What you're seems logical. Skis can be smaller for sure. I just want to make damn sure that a 177cm twin-tip, is good for my height of ~175cm

Could any other Karma owning folk put in there two cents please. It'd be muchly appreciated, EH.
post #7 of 17
Thread Starter 
I was doing some searching of the site, and one member mentioned that a twintip loses about 10 cm's off its stated length (177cm --> 167cm).

True?
post #8 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by matt peschke
I definitely posted this is the wrong section...dumb-dumb. Thanks for moving it.

U.P. Racer:

That is my main issue. Would a 185cm, have a surface area of about 180 cm, and a 177cm have a surface area of 172 in contact w/ the snow?

Volant Addict:

What you're seems logical. Skis can be smaller for sure. I just want to make damn sure that a 177cm twin-tip, is good for my height of ~175cm

Could any other Karma owning folk put in there two cents please. It'd be muchly appreciated, EH.
I had last year's 185 Karma until March 2005 and it was my everyday ski up until then (then I got my Mantras ). It was a very good all around ski for crud and some pow. It did ski short for me (5'9", 185 lbs.). It would have skied better in a 188 or 190 (if they made it). For me, the 177 was way too short when I skied it, but for you and your weight, it might be ok. You need to look at your skiing style (big turns in crud and pow or medium radius turns in crud and pow and hardpack) and then decide on the length. If your skiing bigger turns, then go with the 185. Also, I wouldn't consider the Karma a "stiff" ski. Explosiv's are a considered a "stiff" ski.

Lastly, you're right. The 177 has a running length of around 172 cm and the 185 is around 180 cm.

HB
post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 
HB, thanks for the quick reply.

Did you have that feeling that you were going to go ass-over-tea kettle when skiing the 177cms.

B/C that Karma is such a good ski, and I can get it for a great price, I'm almosts willing to adapt me skiing to it.

I prefer, medium powerful, high speed turns through crud, and shorter turns in freshies, so I guess the shorter ski may be better.

We only get 50 cm dumps a couple times a year, so I wouldn't have to worry about very deep powder. Just power through it anyways.

bahhh, still confused. I think I'm leaning towards the 177cms though.
post #10 of 17
Thread Starter 
bah,

my saga continues. I have my karmas now in 177cm, and I have a pair of solly 914 labs on the way.

Right now, I'm looking at a 3 ski quiver.

1: Groomers - Hard Pack -> Rossy Axium 100 ultra (170)
- a lot of fun. Never skiied a ski this short. Very easy to ski now.

2: Hard-Pack - Powder -> Volkl Karmas (177)

3: Powder --------------> I was thinking something like an 06 Scratch BC

My only concern is, @ 177, are my Karma's going to be closer to the 'groomer - hard pack' spectrum, then a powder ski.

I want the ability to bomb through powder at high speeds, ripping large turns w/ confidence. Will a Karma in 185 give me that? or will a 177 still give me decent float and stability at higher speed in pow?
post #11 of 17
TO SHORT, Go Mantra @184
post #12 of 17
Thread Starter 
hahaha...I'd love to have a pair of mantras...money is tight right now.
post #13 of 17

Karma?

I currentlly own a pair of 177...and I use them for everything. But beware they are AGGRESIVE. And tend to be happiest in the powder. I use them mostly for tree runs. The Hardest part about the year I have (04) is the agressive side cut. Your balance has to be on the money. My understanding of the size is they actually messure small because it's more of a reference of contact area with snow rather than from tip to tip. So they ski more like a 180. I went from Solo's Verse 8 with the piolt system to these...the Karma is a way better ski and will eat up anything you throw at them. (Very happy jump skis I might add.)
post #14 of 17

P.s.

I got a chance to try the Scratch BC. Not a bad ski but feels very floppy and almost week after having skied the Karmas.

Oh I'm 6'1" and about 145lbs.

I have a friend that tryed them thats a bit taller than you, he's 6 foot, and he skies 186 double x bandits...he really liked how they floated in the powder. He's about 180lbs. But he had a hard time getting use to side cut. For what it's worth.
post #15 of 17
Im 5"6 and definitely going 177cm on the Karma. So i would be upping it if I were you, you can always cut some off, but you cant stick any on .
post #16 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by matt peschke
Right now, I'm looking at a 3 ski quiver.
...
2: Hard-Pack - Powder -> Volkl Karmas (177)

3: Powder --------------> I was thinking something like an 06 Scratch BC

My only concern is, @ 177, are my Karma's going to be closer to the 'groomer - hard pack' spectrum, then a powder ski.

I want the ability to bomb through powder at high speeds, ripping large turns w/ confidence. Will a Karma in 185 give me that? or will a 177 still give me decent float and stability at higher speed in pow?
I would reserve the karma for days where it didn't snow the night before or new terrain isn't being opened up. I don't think you'll be able to blow through crud at 35 mph though. It's pretty stiff, but there are beefier skis out there for doing that (IM 88, G4, M:EX). It should plow through crude better than 95% of the skis out there though.

Go big and fat for the pow ski. Definitely over 180, and preferably over 100 mm at the waist.
post #17 of 17
Another recent review here suggested that the 177cm was a better length at your height, the longer ski was more difficult to pull around on soft steeps, the 177 perfect.
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