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post #391 of 543
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Originally Posted by gyro
Thanks for doin' what you're doin' here!

Me: male, 10.5 B, arch & pronation pretty standard - I think. Might even be closer to A - only have 2 pairs of shoes with width sizing. Usually just lace 'em up good.

Boot: 05/06 Lange CRL 90, 10.5. First boots owned, thermoed and used once. Buckles on tightest setting, had some micro-adjust in reserve, will probably use it up next trip.

Fit: Best in 2 shops, but a little loose after use. Cuff is snug with good thermofit, but ankle/heel/whole foot can move a bit, in 3 axes. Heel lift is most concerning, side-to-side is moderate, fore & aft is not too bad.

1) Would you recommend an insole or other simple remedy? Any particular brand? On top of stock insole, or replacing it?

2) What might you put me in when I visit in a year or 2? Am I a Dobermann candidate?

Bonus question: Do you have a favorite sole protection device (for walking)?


1. I would try to either lift it with a bontex shim (goes underneath the liner), add good padding, and add a custom footbed afterwards.
2. Depends on the height of your instep and how far forward you need or want to be. Keep in mind that the Dobermann has a higher instep than some other choices.

Either Cat Tracks or just wear shoes to the ski area and put your boots on near the lift. The is a new system out, but they are rather expensive and bulky. Still, they do work well for the right skier.

post #392 of 543
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Originally Posted by Jed Peters
1. As before, QUESTIONS NEED TO BE FORMATTED! Start with your background info (height, weight, skier type, preferred terrain, etc.... whatever is relevant) and then NUMBER YOUR QUESTIONS. As before, I WILL IGNORE UNFORMATTED QUESTIONS, due to time constraints.

Background: 225lbs, 5'10", prefer big mountain skiing, mostly off-piste (80 percent). Mostly bigger GS turns. Used to be a ski pro in tahoe in the late 90s, lived in MT before that.

Modern, both-ski weighted style. Been described as a "racer" style as I tend to ski w/ power.

Not too much "air", that is compared to the "hucker/park" crowd. But I will drop things in my way, or into something if needed.

I am in a 2002 Course X2 Soft plug boot now. I like the responsiveness. I prefer a higher cuff, and quick side to side performance.

I have a wide forefoot, thinner more defined ankle area.

1. What boots should I start with trying on?
1. Some boots you might consider are the Lange/ Rossi plug boot, the Atomic Race Tech TI or CS (2007, not 2006), or possibly the 2007 Salomon Falcon.

Good luck,
post #393 of 543
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Originally Posted by viking kaj
My ten year old Rossi racing boots have a buckle that is starting to go, so it seems I may finally have to break down and buy a new pair of boots.

I'm 6'3" (187cm) 220 lbs (100kg) and have been skiing for 43 of my 46 years. 25 years ago I did some racing and instructing, but it's pretty much just freeskiing these days. I try to do 25 days a year, mostly in the West, on everything from groomers to bumps to back country. My skis range from 193 Atomic GS:11 racing stock (which I ski very fast, 40mph plus) to short twin tips for back country powder, couloirs, tree skiing, etc. My feet are different sizes, one is an 11.5 d, with the other closer to a 12. I've pretty much been on Lange's or Rossi's for 30 years. They seem to fit my foot well and I like the way they work. I am also happy with something less than a plug boot, usually the top detuned racing model works well for me. I'm past the age where I like to unbuckle for the lift and rebuckle before every run.

1) So the boots I have been looking at are the Lange Comp 120 MF and the Rossi Race. To me, there does not seem to be a lot of difference between the two, at least in the shop. Is this right?

2) Also, given my different size feet should I be looking at a 29.5 or a 30 (i'm leaning towards the 29.5)?

3) I also notice that Lange makes an FR version of the 120. Is this anything to look into?

4) Finally is there anything else given my preferences that I should be looking at?

Looking forward to your feedback.


1. These two are very different. The old Rossi was stiff and upright, while the new Lange is forward and soft. (Probably too soft for someone your size, IMO.)
2. Most likely 29.5. Possibly even smaller, depending on the boot.
3. IMO, not for you.
4. Keep track of the stance and fit. You might like next year's Rossi semi plug boot (98mm width), which has a stance that is at least more similar to your current boot. This boot comes in different flexes, so (IMO) go stiffer.

post #394 of 543
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Originally Posted by mollmeister
Hi Jeff!

Quite a snow year we're having so far in Colorado!

I am female, 5'2", and a lightweight at about 110lbs. I have quite narrow, low-volume feet, especially in the heels. I am skiing in a pair of 2001 Lange L8s that I had fitted at Surefoot in Squaw Valley, with custom footbeds. I ski about 80% back bowls at Vail, 20% groomed. I have been averaging about 30 days a season, except for 2003/2004, when my son was born.

My current boots are pretty packed out, at 100+ days in the factory liner, but I am planning to have a second child this year, and I don't want to go through the process and cost of a fitting, possible custom liner, etc. with the risk that my feet may drastically change size/shape during a pregnancy. So I am trying to make these boots limp through one more season! :

Questions are as follows:

1. By the afternoon of a hard day of skiing, I get a good deal of soreness and redness at the hinge point at the front of my right ankle, enough discomfort to affect the quality my skiing. Boots are already cranked down about as tightly as they can go, without completely adversely affecting flex. Surefoot glued some red foam to the front of the tongue last year to take up a little space, but I am wondering if more can be done to either increase padding or decrease ankle pain/contact in that area. Any ideas?

2. Someone suggested a punch. Would that work for that location in the boot and/or for my somewhat thin-shelled Langes?

3. When I do finally move on to new boots next year, what would you suggest? And with my narrow feet and small size, would a custom foam liner be worth it?

Thanks much. Think snow!

1. As a guess, it could be related to how the tongue flexes. I sometimes modify this in my shop. Another option (probably much easier to find) would be to add an Elimiator tongue pad to the boot.
2. Very doubtful.
3. Maybe, although I recommend seeing if you can find a narrower shell to start with (you will have to buy the whole boot). For this, consider a plug or semi- plug boot. You have not given me a whole lot of info, but you might try Lange/ Rossi, Nordica, Atomic (possibly the CS). Add a liner only if you are still moving around.

Hope this helps,
post #395 of 543
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Originally Posted by viking kaj
Forgot to add that I have relatively flat feet/low arches.
In that case, try the Atomic Race Tech TI and CS 130 (2007), or possibly next year's Salomon Falcon.
post #396 of 543
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Originally Posted by psy
Hi Jeff,
thanks for all the imput.
I have skinny calves and ski in Lange Comp 120 w Superfet insoles. They fit my foot well after minimal grinding over the right big toe.
I have been thinking about moving the upper buckles in the second set of factory drilled holes:
1- Is this going to stiffen the boot or change the forward lean?
2- is this better than tightening the buckles?
3- Will Booster straps improve fit over the calves without moving the buckles?
4- Do you reccomend Booster straps, generally?
thanks for you time
1. Yes, they will get stiffer, and no, but it may make the boot a bit more upright.
2. Depends, not a big deal either way.
3. Probably.
4. Yes, they can make a substantial difference in quality of flex.
post #397 of 543
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Originally Posted by Lefty
Hi Jeff,

I posted this in another forum and one of the forum members thought I should ask you this question:

I went skiing last weekend for the first time in about 8 years.....just like riding a bike! I had a huge issue with my boots. I used my equipment that I had 8 years ago...the boots felt fine at home but as soon as I got on the slopes they were rubbing extremely hard on my ankles. I actually had black and blue marks on my ankles from a full day of skiing. I chalked it up to the boots losing the contour of my foot but I am trying to figure out how to get the boots to fit comfortably again. The boots fit fine beside the ankle issue.

Do you have any suggestions?

Thanks in advance for the help!
Not a lot of info here. Either have the boots fit (either ground or punched in the ankles) or try some type of arch support footbeds.
post #398 of 543
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Originally Posted by nilaszewski
hey jeff,

Background: I have been skiing for 2 yrs. now, and went ~10 times last year, this year I have seaosn passes here in Wisconsin to Sunburst Ski Area and have went 10 times already! I am absoulty obsessed with skiing now and amd getting into every aspect of it. So i bought some Tecnica Entryx 7's last year and they have served me well. I noticed this year and towards the end of last season that my left ankle hurt, on the outside, not surface but internal, right by the bone, like the muscle or tendon. I thought it might be my technique but after asking an instructor, they said everything looked great as far as form went, AMAZING since i pretty much taught myself! So he suggested new boots since i guess mine were really more for a beginner and he considered me an upper intermediate already!

Well i was very greatfull for his advice and very happy to be consider somethign other than a beginner, so i went out and bought some Salomon Scream Pilot Xtra hot's. I wanted an all mountin ski. I ski mostly here in the midwest, but i want a nice ski for anything as i really like skiing powder if its avail. and will be traveling to Fernie, BC over spring break(CANT WAIT).

With these new stiff skis, both my ankles are hurting, the same for the left, and the right just the same on the outside. So im looking for boots now.

I am just under 6foot and ski 175cm skis. I weight ~170 and ski as agressive as my abilities allow. I ski mostly groomed as that is all that is avail. but would like to learn moguls and trees, and love powder when available. I consider my feet to be narrow but the tecnicas i have tried seem to be for wide feet?

Question 1: I have been looking at Tecnica Vento 10's, Tecnica Rival X8's, and Nordica Beast 10's. What are some boots that will give me the support i need but will offer good perfformance and still be confortable?

Question 2: Im trying to do this on a budget, which will be hard...would you advise buying a pair of boots i have tried on local from ebay?

Question 3: Is it true, if the boots fit really confortable in the ski shop, they will be to big on the slopes in a few weeks?

Question 4: What can i do to get my ankles to stop hurting?

Question 5: What boot will be confortable and angile enough to allow recreational skiing but also stiff enough to allow me to be really aggressive down the realy steep runs and through moguls and trees?

Question 6: Of the boots i mentioned above, and any that you have added, which would you ultimatly go with and why?
I need more info. Do you have wide or narrow feet? High or low instep/ arch? Do your outside ankles stick out?
post #399 of 543
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Originally Posted by Fox
Hello Jeff,

I am 20 years old, my height is 186cm and my weight is 67kg. I am an experienced skier on all terrains and under all conditions. At the moment I own a pair of nearly worn out Tecnica TNT Icon X which are now 6 years old. My other skiing hardware are Rossignol T-Power 9S (167cm long), Salomon Teneighty (181cm long) and different big mountain skis like the Salomon Pocket Rocket. I would say that I ride 40% of time on piste, 40% in the park and 20% in the backcountry. Since 11 years I wear orthopedic soles in my normal shoes, not in my skiing boots, because my feet bend to the inside of my legs. Due to some weight loss caused by endurance sport my feet also seem to have lost a bit of their volume. I should also mention that me left foot is three fourths of number bigger than the right one and has a slightly bigger volume.
My current boots are at least half a number to big I would say. My toes touch the front end of the boot only slightly when I try to stand straight in the boots.
In the not well sorted shops here I tried the Salomon X Wave 8 (27.0) and Atomic B9 (I think) just to get feel for their fit. Both have way to much volume for my feet. I also tried Head S8 and Nordica Speedmachine 8 which fit much better. My financial possibilities are a bit limited and because of that I don't want to buy a boot with a custom foamed liner. But I am searching for boot with glove like (narrow and snug) fit which can handle all the different terrains I am skiing in. So here are my questions:

1. Which boots would you recommened for me? I saw the Tecnica Diablo Race Pro 90 in shop but had not the time to try them on. I search for a boot which is stiff enough to have a good control while carving on piste but is also soft enough to jump around with.

2. Can I use plug boots for my application area or would you say I should use something else?

3. I have always the problem that my feet get cold when they are not in action. I hope you know what I mean. Are these Thermic soles from Comformable a solution for my problem and can they be used in plug boots?

Thats all for the moment. Thanks in advance for the answers and sorry for my english
1. You soundl like you need a low volume boot, but plug boots are generally not the best for park and off piste skiing. Therefore, semi plug boots may be your best option. Some choices are Lange/ Rossi, Salomon Falcon, Atomic Race Tech CS (07 only), Dolmite Z 110 or 130, or Nordica Doberman Pro 110/ Hot Rod Nitrous.

If these are not in your budget, your best option may be Lange Comp boots, possibly even one of the Women's models.

2. Covered above.

3. Heaters are probably your best option, but may be beyond your budget. If you have high insteps/ arches, consider getting a boot that is narrow but roomier here. (Such as the Dobermann)

Good luck,
Jeff Bergeron
Boot Fixation
post #400 of 543
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Originally Posted by jbarraza23
Hi Jeff,

I'm 5'11" 215 lbs, fairly athletic and have been skiing for about 10 years. I am an aggressive upper intermediate, low expert skier and prefer to ski off-trail. I ski Atomic R:EXs and Atomic Stomps. My boots are Technica ICON XR Ultra-fits with Sole semi-custom footbeds. I have relatively thin ankles compared to my calves, a wide foot, a bit of an arch, and a high bridge. My problem is heel lift and too much space (hence movement) in the top of the boot, resulting in a lack of control transerring to the ski. I can eliminate this by cranking down on the buckles but then I suffer from massive pain in the arches of my feet and calves because now the boot is binding too tight. My questions then are:

1. Is a good fit possible with the boots that I have and if so, any recommendations?

2. If new boot is a better option, can you recommend a boot that would best suit my needs?

Thanks for your help!!!

1. A decent, if not good, fit is possible. It sounds like you need some good padding around the ankle area.
2. You might look into a semi- plug boot. The Lange/Rossi and Nordica Doberman Pro/ Hot Rod Nitrous are worth checking out, IMO.
post #401 of 543
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Originally Posted by profitoral
Hi Jeff,

height= 175 cm or 5 feet 9 inches
weight= 154 lbs.
Thin complexion.
Foot size: right is almost 25, I would say 24 and 4/5th, left is slightly smaller, something like 24 and 3/4th. I measured foot size in shop ruler. I have wide feet compared to the length.
Ski level is high intermediate.
Ski preferences: Medium pace, relaxed not too aggresive.

INFO: As you can see from my feet size, my problem is that I'm between sizes, closer to 25 though. I have difficulty to find boots that fit right in length and width. I just bought a pair of Rossignol Intense 1, size 25.5. That was the smallest size they had on that boot. The right foot seems to fit right but the left one (the shorter one) feels a little short, I can barely touch the front of the boot when standing. I tried size 24.5 in different boots (some advanced tecnica's) but they were too narrow and hurt in the curvature where shin and foot join and/or along the top part of the feet. They didn't have a size 25 on any boot for me to try. They told me that the only difference between size 25 and 25.5 was really the insole (same shell) and adviced me to buy a new one.

1. Is that really the only different between a size 25 and 25.5?
2. What can I do to make the fit a little tighter on my left frontfoot or just the whole foot (since it feels a bit too roomy in my toes)? an insole? if so, what should I look for?
3. Should I return the boots otherwise and try to find a 25 somewhere else? or keep looking for 24.5 that don't hurt?
4. What's your opinion on this boots?

Thanks in advance.
- Jose -

1. Yes, in most cases.
2. A semi-custom footbed such as a Superfeet might make the fit a bit more snug. Or pad the top of the liner.
3. Do not bother, unless you want another boot. A different boot in a 24.5 might work better.
4. Not my favorite, but might work well for you. IMO.

post #402 of 543
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Originally Posted by snowdan
hi jeff.


i have the pictured bone spur on my heels. much more on the left than on the right foot. right foot is generally OK, left spur swells once in a while when pressured. not always painful. this spur leaves holes in the padding of my sneakers. obviously the ski boot shell is more durable than that and provides some firece opposition...

boots fit extremely well otherwise and i have conformables in them. the spur issue arises in any boot or shoe with a hard shell.

so my question:

1. is it possible to grind out some material from the boot shell? boots are technica race pro. will this affect heel hold?

2. other possible remedies?

thanks in advance. one may excuse my double posting.

Pictures took too long to download, so did not see them.

1. Yes, and probably not.
2. If grinding is insufficient, get it punched.

Jeff Bergeron
post #403 of 543
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Originally Posted by LesArcs
Hi Jeff

This is a fantastic resource so hope you can help – wish I lived closer.

age 50, 5’6” (168cm), 148llbs, boot size 25.5MP, ability level 8 on a euro scale of 1-10 (just turning advanced – expert). Ski mostly in France on a seasonal pass.

Boots are 2003 model Tecnica ICON Ultrafit DPs. Overall fit good. Overpronate right ankle slightly, left quite a lot (so pressure and pain on left medial malleolus). Boots originally fitted with custom footbed, new much more supportive orthotics 6 weeks ago.

Thighs burn, stance looks and feels squatty, tails slide and comments about back seat driving. After reading and experimenting with plumb bobs etc penny dropped that I have too much forward lean (despite adjustable forward lean on boots set max upright). Reason may be because I have relatively short femur so when I squat down head and shoulders move much further forward than arse backwards and CofG moves too far forward, so have to lean back to compensate. However it feels wrong even when standing. Softish flex of boots may exacerbate the problem.

Boot fitters round here look at me as weirdo when I suggest this is the problem with comments like “All boots have same forward lean of 14degrees” so I will have to resort to DIY.

My temporary solution last week was 6 thin trail maps between tongue and shell and this worked well – surprisingly so much better for what looks like small change.

1. what do I use instead of trail maps?
2. I am picking up suggestions that Tecnica boots have high ramp angle. Would it be better to lower the bootboard instead? I have plenty of flex in my ankles.
3. anything else I should look at?

Many thanks

IMO, it is unlikely (but still possible) that these boots are too far forward. More than likely, it has more to do with either your bindings or the internal ramp profile. Also, I highly doubt your shorter femur is a problem- but I could be wrong.

If you want to test a more upright position consider these options.
-Make or get flatter binding ramp.
-Flatten the heel of the footboard.
-Add an Eliminator tongue pad to make the boots slightly more upright.

As a guess, I think you probably have issues with the internal ramp. If you have high arches, this is the most likely scenario. Still, it could easily be too much ramp in the bindings.
post #404 of 543
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223

It looks like I'm not going to get my Diablos back.

Anyway, I need to find some boots for March.

I weigh about 198, am 6'2", and race (not this year, but w/e). Skill level is 9, I like to go very fast on hard snow and race. I have a left foot that measures an 11.5, and a right foot that is between a 12 and a 12.5. Both are mid-C width. I have a VERY low instep, almost a right angle, and narrow heels (unsure of how to quantify this). Arches are low, and I have a tendency to overpronate, rolling the foot over. This will require footbed correction.Toes are of a wedge shape, as opposed to sqaure, and I have no foot injuries or other abnormalities. I tend to like stiff boots, and have not yet encountered one that I cannot flex.

1. I have formerly been in boots that had substantial forward lean. I am able to get a good deal on some dobermann 150s. Others have described them as upright, so just how upright are they, compared to say a head rd 96 or a racetech?

2. What is your general opinion of the Dobie 150?

3. Which would you reccommend: RL11 or Dobie 150?

4. Sywsyw has shown me previous posts of yours in which you say that the dobie has a high instep. After looking at the pictures below, do you think they will work for my foot?

(I can get a hell of a deal on them)


1. Similar to Head, more upright than the Atomic (or the Tecnica).
2. Great boot, but has a higher instep.
3. No, most likely not.
4. Did not look at the pictures.

Jeff Bergeron
post #405 of 543
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Originally Posted by vlad
Jeff- what th' Sam Hill are you doing, doling out advice to these fine folksesses?
Best galderned Footbitter I've ever know'ed.....
Thanks, I think.... Darnit to heck- the king would be most proud...
post #406 of 543
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Originally Posted by team ftb

A tip of the hat to you for providing this thread. After 12 pages of reading still not sure of what new boots to gander at to replace my ageing Solomons.

Background: Male, 140 pounds, 5'6", on the cusp between wide B to C forefoot with very narrow heel, skinny calfs and legs, pronate, and have low arches. Advanced skier mostly off piste on steeps, and love high speed GS turns. Ski about 35 days per year. Current boots are old Solomon Equipe racing 9.1 w/Thermoflex liner and orthotics, sized 293 boot sole length.

Boots I have tried on so far:
* Solomon Pro- too wide in the heel
* Dalbello Krypton - too wide forefoot and heel, and too much volume above the instep
* Nordica Hot rod - Too much volume all over
* Lange comp 120 MF - getting better but still too wide in the heel
* Lange comp 120 LF - It took me 5 minutes just to get one boot on let alone buckling up. jeez this thing was too tight and painfull all over.

All boot shells were length size tested with between one to two fingers space.


1. What other boots would you suggest I try out?

2. If my current boot fits perfectly, what do you feel I am missing from upgrading to a new boot? Is there a distict performance advantages from the new crop of boots?

3. Can you give your thoughts on Daleboots for someone with my requirements? I.E. Am I better off with a mainstream manufacturer for performance?

Thanks in advance for your help.

Lots of info. Good job.

1. Plug or semi plug boot. Some possible choices are the Atomic Race Tech TI or CS (2007 only), Tecnica Diablo Pro (only with significant modification), or possibly next year's Salomon Falcon boot.

2. The above boots should at least ski better than your current boots.

3. IMO, some great concepts but not completely there. Fit and stance are odd (as in a bit bulky in certain areas and very forward). Still, some of the best skiers I have known swore by Daleboots.

Jeff Bergeron
post #407 of 543
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Originally Posted by goltim

I am an 18 year old, male, 6’1, 160 lbs. Feet (cm) L/R: length 28.5/28; forefoot 10.5/10; heel 6/6. Very low instep. Long lower leg, thin at bottom, medium calves.

I have skied for about 20-25 weeks, and am a level 7/8 in ability. I mostly ski on piste (80/20) - no racing, but am looking to develop my off-piste skills.

I have been skiing in a 2003 Salomon X-wave 8.0 - size 29. The boot is too big for me around the leg, and I have to tighten the top two buckles to the last or penultimate notch to get a snug fit. Even with this there is too much room around my lower leg just above the ankle.

Additionally over the last two years I have grown quite quickly, and this seems to have increased my bowleg angle (almost 2 inches between my knees when my ankles are touching). I tend to pronate due to low arches. I have noticed that I have lost some edge grip in the last year, and now find it much easier to turn left when at high speed. I turn when standing on one ski.

I have booked an appointment in London with Profeet (I gather they are the best boot fitters available in the UK) for next week. They the same for fitting new or adjusting old boots.


1.Is there any point in trying to salvage my current boots (good condition)?
2.If not, which models would you suggest?
3.What would be the best approach to correct my leg/foot imbalance?
4.Are there any additional insights or suggestions you could provide for my situation?

Thanks, I truly appreciate the time you take for this forum.


1. They do not seem like they are the right boot for you.
2. I keep saying this but.... Atomic Race Tech TI XS or CS 07, 07 Salomon Course, or possibly next year's Fischer RC4. Possibly a Tecnica Diablo Pro, and add external toe lifts?
3. The angle of the boot cuffs should (most likely) match the angle of the lower legs.
4. Find the best boot person you can find. Consider finding someone at a ski area.

By the way, I am not familiar with Profeet. Perhaps they are excellent, though it would be a first from what I have seen from UK shops.

I can say that Prodrive is the best performance company in the world (IMO)....

Good luck,
Jeff Bergeron
Boot Fixation
post #408 of 543
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Originally Posted by drdavidmom
I appreciate you sharing your expertise. I'm 5'11", 207lbs, an advanced-level skier and have a 9.5 C foot that fits in low-volume boots best. I have a high instep, more on my right foot than left and get pain in my right instep from the skiboot/ski hanging on it going up a chairlift unless I use a footrest. The main thing I want to find is a great fitting boot that won't cost a fortune to modify and hopefully will suit me with minimal tweaking. I have Superfeet footbeds that feel fine to me. I'm using Rossignol Race1 27.5 boots which aren't very packed-out but are slightly loose around the heel and a bit roomy in the toebox. I have Lange L10's and Head WC Ti N97's to work with but I want to try something first...I just bought some Tecnica Icon Carbons that came with brand-new foam injection liners complete with the liquids/bottles/tubes. I didn't pay a lot for these and would like to give it a shot.

1) Do you (or any other reader) have a copy of the old Tecnica technical literature/instructions brochure for the Ergo Foam injection procedure?

2) If not, can you describe to me how to do it?

3) I found an old post in archives that suggested skiing in the liners a bit BEFORE injecting the foam to pack them slightly and get a better end result with the foam. Should I do this?

Thanks in advance. I'll be working with the Head N97's too as these feel pretty good and are supposed to be plugs but I want to see what the foam-inject liners feel like. DAW

1. No.
2. Tecnica has used two different systems, and I am not sure which you have. The simpler has tubes that attach to foam bottles. For these, you pad your feet at the ankle bones and any other prominent spot you have, and add toe caps to prevent your feet from sliding forward. From there, put your feet in the boots, check airflow, add the contents of the small bottle into the big one and screw the big bottle onto the tube. From there, you allow the foam to cure for approximately 20 minutes and take your feet out. Then put the boots back on minus the ankle and toe pads. Keep the boots away from heat for at least the next 24 hours. (as in close to a radiator).

The other system uses a gun, and good luck finding a working one if this is what you have.
3. IMO, no.

While foaming boots is not difficult, this is one place where experience can really help. Find a boot fitter who has done these before.
post #409 of 543
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Originally Posted by klkaye
Ok Jeff, I'll play

my boot question ...

BACKGROUND: I ski the Rossi Power 9.1j on the stiff setting. This is my fourth season in the boots (average of 40-50 days per season). Last year I moved the buckles to a looser setting and I ski my boots relatively loose, in general. I am a L7-8 skier (less agressive, confident in bumps and bowls).

PROBLEM: Wet feet. The reverse overlap thing seems to let a LOT of snow into the boot. I love the boots, they are comfortable -- but the wet foot thing is getting really old.

It's also time for new footbeds ...

I generally reverse the reverse overlap with these boots. As in make them like a standard overlap. Then add some duck tape (yes, duck, not duct, is actually the correct term) to the toe dam.

Unfortunately, skiers with higher insteps often need to keep this area loose, which means the area does not close fully.

Good luck,
post #410 of 543
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Originally Posted by johndow01
Hello Jeff,

I'm a 165 lbs male level 7 skier (20 days a year ) who lives in the uk, would be grateful for some advice as ski shops in the uk are very poor.

1. I have a very high arch with a narrow heel and a medium width foot, what boot would you recommend ?

2. Currently ski Tecnica Icon XR 9(size 25.5) getting heel lift, is it worth getting custom liners such as zipfit or foamed ?

3. My right foot is measures 24.5 cm and left 25 what size shells would you recommend as a starting point ?

John Downey

1. As a guess, Nordica Dobermann Pro 110 or Hot Rod Nitrous, or Salomon Pro Gun.

2. Possibly, since this boots should provide a reasonable shell fit. If you do this, be sure to find a good shop.

3. 24/ 24.5 will most likely fit. Try a 23 if they seem too big.
post #411 of 543
Thread Starter 
Originally Posted by adviljunky
Jeff & all you other expers,

I wrote you a note back in December re. my wife's boots. Many hours and many $$ later, here's the scoop:
stats: 40 YO female, 5'7", 150 lbs, level 4 skier, somewhat nervous.
equipment: 153 cm One Luvs and Solly Rush 9W, softened, uprighted, punched, bootwarmers, and Conformable footbeds. Various socks tried.
status: Despite valiant efforts by the boys at Snowcovers in Whistler, she is still in pain. Her feet cramp up when she tightens the buckles, resulting in ice cold feet (even with the electric warmers). I (and the guys at Snowcovers) believe the boots fit her well but now they're suggesting she's simply not made for skiing.

Question: She's at wits end and I don't blame her. My last ditch idea is a softer, better liner than the Rush 9W. Which one would you recommend? Or should I call it a day and give up my favorite sport?

Any input from you boot genii would be greatly appreciated by me and my kids (all avid skiers).

Sorry to hear about her situation. To fix the cold feet you could....

-Make more room at the instep area
- Get a Thermoflex type liner
- Modify the footboard

If I had to guess, I suspect her fore and aft balance has still not been fixed and the boots put too much weight on her forefeet. The result is a lack of balance and a blocking of blood circulation. Unfortuantely, I do not know of any other boot fitters who address this situation. However, it is possible that even this is not the issue.

post #412 of 543
Thread Starter 
Originally Posted by marta
Hi Jeff
I'm 4"11", 112 lbs, female, level 8 skier, shoe size 6 1/2 - 7. I am currently in a Nordica W-8, size 22.5, w/custom footbeds and heel lifts. Medium width foot, low-ish arch, my foot has been described as soft (a sack of marbles actually). I ski somewhat aggressive, primarily east coast hardpack, new snow when lucky.

I've "outgrown" my 4 year old Nordica W-8's. I find the liners too cushy. My foot feels movement, especially in warm weather or on soft snow days. However I am still liking the softer flex pattern. I feel like I've maxed out what I can do to make the volume snugger, and still do not make up for the movement of my foot due to the cushy liner. When I buckle them tighter, the flex stiffens up, almost too much, and yet my foot still moves anyway. Also a side note - my instep cramps up while sitting on the lift, but not while skiing.

1) What adv-expert women's boots (a) come in a 22 or smaller, (b) are not too stiff for someone tiny like me, and (c) have a firmer liner? Also I could consider a jr. race boot, but again, many do not come in a small enough size.

1/a. Unfortunately, nothing will be perfect, but here are some better bets. Atomic Race Tech TI 100 and CS 100 (07), Nordica Dobermann Pro 100/ Team 70/ 80 (junior boot), Lange/ Rossi A/A flex plug boot.

Another direction might be the Tecnica Attiva Flame in a 22. Keep in mind that its liner will pack out, but it should be better than your Nordicas in this regard.

All plug and semi plug boots will have liners that are much firmer than your current Nordica's. One other point- those Nordicas use a 22 liner with a 23 shell. (If you look at the shell it will say 275mm.)
post #413 of 543
Thread Starter 
Originally Posted by darekkkk
Hi Jeff,
Male skier 8/10, 30 years old, 6'1", 195 lbs, very high instep, tall, thin calves
I've recently bought a nordica Hot Rod 130 boot. Great boot, skis very well, fits well but instep/ankle area. I have realized that pressure on my instep comes from the strap of the second calf buckle.
1) I am thinking about trimmering the strap of the second buckle, just above the ankle. What do You think abut this? May it work in my case?
Best regards

Ever think of changing the last letters of your sign in name? Anyway....

1. This could make a modest difference. More than likely, you need to modify the tongues.
post #414 of 543
Thread Starter 
Originally Posted by BobS
Hey Jeff-

You provide an awesome service. I'd love your advice.

Male, 5'10", 150lbs., aggressive, advanced, all mountain skier - powder, bumps, off piste when it's good, speedy groomed. ski at alta and snowbird most often, vail and aspen every other year or so, 15-20 days per year. i'm 9-9 1/2 shoe size, 26.5 boot. d width.

Just got new skis k2 apache crossfire after 2 days of demos (167cm). tough choice over the apache recons.

Current boots are Lange x9s - the purple ones, probably 6-7 years old, with custom heat formed orthotics. i've liked them alot, especially how they lock my heel down. But the do kill me after 3-4 days (mainly ankle bone). i think with the new technology and skiing styles it makes sense to get new boots.

i want a performance all mountain boot. I've looked at a lot of the reviews and tried on most of the top line models (not the race boots, but the expert/freeride just below) from the big brands. salomon, nordica, technica, head i thought were all too roomy for me. my heel was lifting fairly easily.

i thought about surefoot, but based on all the forum opinions, believe i have ruled it out.

i think i am down to the atomic t-11 and the lange 120 comp lf. i spent an hour or so in the shop today. the fitter had me try on everything with off the shelf orthotics. in the shop, they felt similar, the lange's tighter especially in the toe box, the fitter told me they would likley pack out.


1) should i consider some work on my old boots to make them more comfortable, or am i right that with the new ski and boot technology, it makes sense to get new boots?

2) any words or wisdom on the lange comp 120 lf vs. the atomic t-11?

3) anything else i should consider?

4) am i ok just pulling out my heat formed orthotics from my old boots an putting them in the new? i like them alot in the old ones.

5) do you think the punting on surefoot is the right call?

sorry for the length. thanks a lot.


1. Assuming your old boots are still in good condition, I would try to work on them. Odds are you will not gain much from a new boot.
2. The Atomic is roomier than either your old or the new Lange boots.
3. 2007 Atomic Race Tech CS in a 100 or 130 flex?
4. As long as they are the correct length, that should be fine.
5. IMO, you are likely to do better somewhere else. Still, the real question is who is doing the work. If Surefoot has someone good, then go with it. I will leave it at that.

Jeff Bergeron
Boot Fixation
post #415 of 543
Thread Starter 
Originally Posted by suppy
Hello Jeff,

Here's my stats.

- 5'10", 165 lbs, level 9 skier, off piste steeps / powder / hucks / some bumps.

Equipment background: Recently got some Nordica Hot Rods after retiring my Lange L10's. The Hot Rods fit my foot like a dream - no pressure points, good hell retention, stiff flex, very precise, and comfortable after 6 hours skiing in the boots. I am using older surefoot footbeds. Here's my questions.

1. The shaft alignment is more bow-legged than my legs. I know this by gut feel on the snow (difficult to get on the inside edge) and taking the liner out and checking the shell distance around my legs. There is no "cant" adjustment screw on the cuff so obviously there is not quick fix but is it possible to re-align the upper cuff on this boot in the shop?

2. If the above answer is no, is my only option bootsole planning?

3. Is bootsole planning a comprised method of achieving alignment if the cuff alignment is really the problem?

4. What is Nordica's suggestions on this?

FYI, I have slapped six layers of duct tape on the outside contact points of the binding heel and toe pieces as a short term test. This has helped to get the ski flat.

Thanks in advance Jeff. I live in Carbondale, CO so I might come over to your shop in Breck -
1. I have good news for you. You can now get adjustable cuffs for these boots from Nordica USA. They should be on their website under parts, and I think they are worth trying.
2. Answered above.
3. If it is truly a cuff issue, then yes, it is a bit of a compromise. IF....
4. As above. (The old answer- break your legs and have them set straighter? Not easy, but I have had some clients with big knee problems who have had this done with success.)

Good luck,
Jeff Bergeron
Boot Fixation
post #416 of 543

Heel woes

Jeff, I'm 32, 180, 6'1", and wear a size 11.5 Lange L10 (the old blue one) from around 1997-1998 (I think) although I've used them for 3 seasons (due to snowboarding taking over my life for a while). I'm an ex racer, type 3 skier, very agressive. Live in the east, tons of moguls, woods, and high speed carving. I am taking four trips west this year and ski very agressive lines when I arrive, steep/deep, etc.

My heels are killing me in the boots. I'm using a footbed called the Aline Systems (www.alinesystems.com). My heel is very sharp and pronounced, and the bone is obviously starting to pound against the shell. My feet are long and narrow. There is bigtime pain, enough so that the first time in my life I had to leave the hill early. It's like a bruise type of pain, even after I take off the boots my heels feel the effects for days.

1) Can I/should I save the boots?
2) If yes, how? Can I put some foam on the outside of the shell (in a donut around the heel to reduce pressure, perhaps?)
3) Should I adjust the cant of the boot fore/aft side/side?
4) The boots each have three "shims" which are red plastic (the "Power" tongue, and a shim on each side of the leg area). Would removing one of these help?
5) If I can't save the boots, would you recommend a high end, all mountain boot for a serious and agressive skier

Thanks for your help!
post #417 of 543
Originally Posted by Jeff Bergeron

1. Assuming your old boots are still in good condition, I would try to work on them. Odds are you will not gain much from a new boot.
2. The Atomic is roomier than either your old or the new Lange boots.
3. 2007 Atomic Race Tech CS in a 100 or 130 flex?
4. As long as they are the correct length, that should be fine.
5. IMO, you are likely to do better somewhere else. Still, the real question is who is doing the work. If Surefoot has someone good, then go with it. I will leave it at that.

Jeff Bergeron
Boot Fixation
Thanks Jeff, very helpful.
post #418 of 543

Replacing the old Nordica 981s

Hi Jeff,

background info:
Age: 28
height: 5'11"
weight: 190 lbs
skier type: Very aggressive, level 8-9
preferred terrain: Steeps and bumps, cornices but no park and pipe.

Other info:
(A) Started skiing again last year after taking off 9 years due knee injuries.
(B) Replacing Nordica 981s (a very old racing boot). I like these boots very much but they are too packed out and I can't get tight enough anymore.

1.) What boot do you suggest for my narrow feet, high calf and skinny lower leg and preference for stiff boots?

post #419 of 543
Hello, thanks for having a thred like this going. Name is Tom, skiied since I was 5, went till about 17, about 12 days a year. Had a good 7 year gap, then went snowboarding a couple of times last year. Just tried skiing again this past weekend and had more fun than I've had in a long time. So I now want to get completely back into it. I started slow, but ended up making my way down black diamond runs without a problem.

I'm 5'11", weight bounces between 190-200. Wear a size 12 or 13 depending on shoe, the front of my foot is wide.

1. I have no medical issues with my legs, and I seemed to do better with my knees bent a good bit, what is your reccomendation?

Thanks a lot for your time!
post #420 of 543

How to determine appropriate boot flex?


Me / Background:

- intermediate skier (comfortable on blue, occasional black but starting this year am now seriously working on improving with classes, etc.)

- 38 years old and not looking to be too radical. Mostly groomed with some off piste in the pacific northwest. Not so much interested in speed as control.

- weigh 230 lbs

- ski on Atomic Metron M10 (171 length) skis w/ Neox 412 bindings

- I will be buying my first pair of boots in the next week or so

- In reading the last three years of your responses, I see you repeatedly have stated that you feel folks use boots that are too stiff for them.

- I also see you repeatedly state that boot flex numbers are inconsistent from manufacturer to manufacturer and not an accurate gauge of flex.


1) Could you please elaborate on what I should look for when evaluating flex while trying on boots in a store? Where in the boot is the flex that I should be evaluating taking place ?

2) Are there any specific tests I can use to consistently compare flex between boots?

3) What would be the best way for me to determine the appropriate amount of flex for my skill level?

Thank you very much for your time and patience!

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