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Need ski suggestion. Metron B5: "Too much ski"?

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
Hi guys. I've been skiing since age four (28 now). I'd rate my skill level as typically in the top 10% of those on the mountain (maybe top 15% on my last trip to Squaw). I suppose that is called "level 8" or so now days. However, I've never had very good ski gear, and now that I'm in my late 20's I figure it is about time to get some. I live almost four hours from the nearest ski area though, so I'll probably get about 7 to 10 ski days in this year, so I can't spend a fortune. I still want a great ski though, so that means bargin hunting. Also, my nearest ski areas don't rent very good demo skis. I was able to get my hands on a set of Metron 10's and Metron EX's at Squaw last year though (I prefered the 10). Judging from other threads here, the Metron B5 seems to come up as the best "one ski" time and time again, so I'm interested in it. However, some people say it is "too much ski", and I really don't understand what they mean by that. Could anybody elaborate? How about the 11? Same shape but a little lighter and flexier.

Also, I found an online deal where I can get last year's Metron 11 for $570 or a B5 for $610 with binding, + $35 shipping. Is that a good deal, or does anybody know of somewhere I can find them cheaper? I'd also consider a used ski if it is in decent shape.

Any other suggestions?

Thanks
-carve
post #2 of 20
I like my 11's. From what I heard about the B5's, the 11's are more playful and flexable than the B5'S.
post #3 of 20
carve, those are good prices! You know my vote, I'm sure. Especially with your strength, you should have no problems with the b5s. Let your weight be your guide to length.
post #4 of 20
You demoed them and 'liked?' them.... the metron 10. My favourite ski! More versatility and snap then the B5 or M11. Under rated overachieving ski ....... or follow the crowd.
post #5 of 20
Thread Starter 
Ok...I really liked the 10, but I also had REALLY high expectations due to all the hype here. They were a lot better that what I was on before (~'97 Salamon Axendo and, believe it or not, '87 Rossignol 4S Kevlar that saw their last run only months ago), but I was expecting an even bigger difference. Sort of like the difference I found going from an old rigid bike to a Santa Cruz Blur. Maybe it was just the tune. It was a demo ski at the end of it's season. Don't get me wrong...it was far and away the best ski I've ever used. I was just expecting even more. I suppose the slushy conditions that day weren't helping that much either. Perhaps I just wasn't on them long enough to learn how to really reap the benefits of a modern ski. I plan to remedy that though

This shop I mentioned only has the B5 and the 11. You actually prefer the 10 to those, eh? I assume you must've tried them all, so could you elaborate on that? If I remember correctly, the B5/11 is a slightly shorter turning ski that the 10, isn't it? I know I didn't like the EX's I tried all that much. There were huge mogals that day, and they just didn't seem very responsive there compared to the 10's. I only spent a few runs on them before trading them back for the 10's!

Something that does concern me about the B5's is the weight. It seems like a lot of mass to be throwing around in hop-turns and stuff. Is that what some people are talking about with "too much ski"?
post #6 of 20
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Originally Posted by carve
Ok...I really liked the 10, but I also had REALLY high expectations due to all the hype here. They were a lot better that what I was on before (~'97 Salamon Axendo and, believe it or not, '87 Rossignol 4S Kevlar that saw their last run only months ago), but I was expecting an even bigger difference. Sort of like the difference I found going from an old rigid bike to a Santa Cruz Blur. Maybe it was just the tune. It was a demo ski at the end of it's season. Don't get me wrong...it was far and away the best ski I've ever used. I was just expecting even more. I suppose the slushy conditions that day weren't helping that much either. Perhaps I just wasn't on them long enough to learn how to really reap the benefits of a modern ski. I plan to remedy that though

This shop I mentioned only has the B5 and the 11. You actually prefer the 10 to those, eh? I assume you must've tried them all, so could you elaborate on that? If I remember correctly, the B5/11 is a slightly shorter turning ski that the 10, isn't it? I know I didn't like the EX's I tried all that much. There were huge mogals that day, and they just didn't seem very responsive there compared to the 10's. I only spent a few runs on them before trading them back for the 10's!

Something that does concern me about the B5's is the weight. It seems like a lot of mass to be throwing around in hop-turns and stuff. Is that what some people are talking about with "too much ski"?
Carve,
The weight of the 11 vs. the B5 is indeed there, for 05/06 the new Neox will be much lighter than the previous model, that should take some of that B5 weight concern away. I really like my 11's in bumps though. I al looking at getting some 10's for my son though.
post #7 of 20
Thread Starter 
Hmm...that is a concern. Unless I can get assigned to Utah or something, I'll probably not be skiing more than 10 or so times per year for quite a while. That means my Endurance won't be great, and I don't want to be all fatigued out by lunchtime! Does anybody know if this is a tendancy of the B5 vs. the M11? It'd also be nice to have a ski that makes the most of adverse conditions. I always hear the B5 excels at this- especially in icy conditions. How is the M11 in comparisson? My current skis are absolutely terrible in ice!

Hard choice! I wish I would've had a chance to demo them last winter.

It'd be nice to get those new lighter bindings, too. These seem like a pretty good deal though. Does anybody know of an online store that sells the new bindings? Maybe I can pair the old skis with the new bindings for not too much more money.
post #8 of 20
Thread Starter 
Damn-
I double checked today and talked to the manager, and it turns out the sales guy from yesterday was looking at the wrong ski. The price he quoted was for the SX B5- Not the Metron B5. They're all out of the Metron B5's. Sorry to get your hopes up.

The Metron 11 with Neox 412 binding is going for $569 though. Is that a pretty decent price?
post #9 of 20
fatigue on the B5s shouldnt be issue except in Bumps and trees. any othr conditions i have never really noticed the weight.

As for to much ski, if you can good and angulate the ski will bend even for light weight. For example i have 120lb friend, and she rips on my B5s, no issue except in bumps; she sucks in bumps though so that doesnt help.
post #10 of 20
I find the M10 has more snap and power than either the M11 or B5 by virtue of the extreme dampening in the B5 especially and softer shovel in the M11. The power is there with the B5 but can be hard to feel. I like the M10 s punch out of a turn. I prefer the 'slightly' larger turning radius of the M10 as well and feel it offers more versatility because of it especially on extreme steeps where you might just want that tail to let go to bring that ski around a little quicker by times. Oddly I also find the 10 a little easier to do short radius turns on.

To each the own of course but don't dismiss the 10 just because it isn't considered the 'top of the line'. It's a great ski and skis a bit different than the other two.

You don't mention your size or what length of any of the skis you were on. I'm 5'10" and 180-85 and ski the 171. The 178 totally works me and my life pretty tough even on groomers. I did the demoes here last year and many people insisted on skis that were too long and oddly came back hating them.
post #11 of 20
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Originally Posted by L7
I prefer the 'slightly' larger turning radius of the M10 as well and feel it offers more versatility because of it especially on extreme steeps where you might just want that tail to let go to bring that ski around a little quicker by times. Oddly I also find the 10 a little easier to do short radius turns on.
Very odd, a ski with less sidecut being quicker to come around, usually a ski with more shape (less sidecut) would want to go down the falline more and "NOT" across the hill.

Oddly is right! A ski with a (172cm,12m sidecut radius) (171 M10 13.5) be more difficult to do short turns on? How could it be any easier to do short radius turns on the b5?

I submit letting your tails go is about technique & edge angle, of course i am assuming you mean sliding the finish of the turn to bring them around quicker on steeps. In that case if the ski is flat and your are sliding, which is totally acceptable on steep slopes what difference does the tail dimension make?

The waist on these pups is only 2mm different.

And if you were on 162 B5 they are 11m.
post #12 of 20
C'mon, AM, we know L7 can turn 'em. He likes the feel of the M:10. For whatever reason it fits his preferences well. Who are we to question that? Just proves that different high-level skiers will experience different sensations on the same skis. So much the better. They are both great skis.
post #13 of 20
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Originally Posted by ssh
C'mon, AM, we know L7 can turn 'em. He likes the feel of the M:10. For whatever reason it fits his preferences well. Who are we to question that? Just proves that different high-level skiers will experience different sensations on the same skis. So much the better. They are both great skis.
I wasn't commenting on his skiing ability nor the skis I am sure they are both great, more just the written impressions seemed unusual.
post #14 of 20
I am talking about sliding the tails on the steeps when you need to bring them around quicker as opposed to the ski doing it and I find the M10 a little easier to do that with. I haven't had the M11 or B5 out on steeps as much though but still that's what I find.

The reason I said oddly in reference to the short rads is because..... it's odd, I know that. I just find them easier not that the ski comes quicker I just find it easier to find the balance point or stay with the ski or whatever it is. I'm aware of the difference in dimensions and believe my 171 M10 is a 13.5m. I guess I just don't really need to turn tighter than that.

I'm not slamming the other skis just saying I like the 10 better and I had my choice of any of them and picked it.
post #15 of 20
I have had zero issues sliding my 11's tails around in the bumps, but I can see the 10's being a little more versitile ski than the 11.
post #16 of 20
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
I have had zero issues sliding my 11's tails around in the bumps, but I can see the 10's being a little more versitile ski than the 11.
I'm not saying they aren't more versatile, just trying to understand how...Care to explain?
post #17 of 20
Are the tails of the 10 perhaps not as stiff as the tails on the 11 and therefore easier to bend into a sharper curve?
post #18 of 20
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Originally Posted by Max_501
I'm not saying they aren't more versatile, just trying to understand how...Care to explain?
The 11's shape, 129mm wide tip and more agressive sidecut can make the 11 limited in some applications. But I will still take the 11's over the 10's.
post #19 of 20
Not sure if it will matter to anyone, but I measured a bunch of 162cm M:11s in the shop today and they all came in with the following measurements: 130-75-113

Note that the advertised dimensions are 131-76-115
post #20 of 20
Carve: I doubt the B:5 would be too much ski for you. Anyone with decent technique and a bit of muscle will look and feel like a hero on these skis. I find that "two-footed" carving (almost equally balanced) works wonders on the B:5's. Super-fast transitions.

But, I haven't tried the M:11's. From what others on this thread have said, I'm certain they're equally stunning performers, with a bit more forgiveness.

I'd suggest you snap-up those M:11's you described. You won't touch that deal once the season begins.
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