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World Cup Skier Service, Bellevue, WA?

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
Anyone know if this shop has changed hands or is it all the same? Just called them, and got the vmail saying call Mark Morris for appts or info... and I thought the guy that owned it was Brent Amsbury?

Thanks
D
post #2 of 22
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Originally Posted by tetsuma
Anyone know if this shop has changed hands or is it all the same? Just called them, and got the vmail saying call Mark Morris for appts or info... and I thought the guy that owned it was Brent Amsbury?

Thanks
D
yes, brent sold it to Joe's dad. Joe & Mark are running the shop. Brent moved to Texas. apparantly his wife got a job there.
post #3 of 22
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
yes, brent sold it to Joe's dad. Joe & Mark are running the shop. Brent moved to Texas. apparantly his wife got a job there.
How's the service, now? Still same? (I hope... or else I'm looking for new options....)_
thanks
D
post #4 of 22
Mark & Joe did most if not all of the work anyway.

Probably be better wiht an influx of capital & a renewed vigor with a new owner.

With that said, Sturtevant sports in Bellevue just got the top of the line Montana completley programmable $175,000 machine. my son worked there last season. might be time to give them a try again, since this new machine is completely automated and has numerous programmable structures and edge bevels (both base & side) available
post #5 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the update. I know Strudevant's old machine was broken a lot last year.... I need a little ptex work, but maybe now is the time to give them another shot....

-David
post #6 of 22
I would recommend World Cup Skier Service in Bellevue or the Race Place in Bend, Oregon if you are going to do a base grind and tune or repair work. The heart of the matter is that they are specialists whose reputations rely in very large part on the quality of their tuning services. Beyond that they mostly sell tuning supplies. I have used both services as well as Sturtevants on one occasion two seasons ago.
post #7 of 22
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Originally Posted by Lostboy
I would recommend World Cup Skier Service in Bellevue or the Race Place in Bend, Oregon if you are going to do a base grind and tune or repair work. The heart of the matter is that they are specialists whose reputations rely in very large part on the quality of their tuning services. Beyond that they mostly sell tuning supplies. I have used both services as well as Sturtevants on one occasion two seasons ago.
Again, Sturtevant has a brand new Top of the line fully automated Montana PROGRAMMABLE Machine now.

Should be pretty damn good!

I have experienced lousy tunes everywhere. I only let world cup stone grind my skis flat & I finish by hand.

If Sturtevant's machine can do what they say, I might have to give it a whirl!
post #8 of 22
The nice thing about World Cup is that I never have run into anyone there who was clueless or careless. The one time they left a little gap on some p-tex work, they about shot themselves in shame when I pointed it out. No question about them getting all over it - they almost yanked the ski out of my hand.

I like Sturtevants. They have some great folks. However, they seem to have weaker players too (both on the sales floor and in the shop). So if you talk to one of the senior more on-the-ball guys at the shop, they will tell you (I think with all sincerity) that they will look up manufacturers bevel specs and do those as a matter of course. Talk to the "wrong" person and they'll tell you - "ah, I just always do 1-1 unless I know someone is really serious and has specifically specified a set of bevels for one of our high end tunes..."

FWIW, the three shops I do business with for various gear & services around here are Sturtevants, Gerk's Alpine Hut, and World Cup.
post #9 of 22
I am certainly not trying to promote Sturtevant, but they had mickey mouse equipment before this year and quite honestly their shop was a joke.

They were lazy & did shoddy tune ups because of this.

Now they just have to program the machine to grind, structure and bevel form numerous different preset programs and the machine does the rest.

apparantly they have the same machine that Volkl & other manufactureres use in their factories. should be interesting.

Their old equipment was cantankerous to change the bevel angles and they pretty much just used a belt grinder on the bases. Weak!!!!!

Keep in mind brent is long gone at World Cup. I have know mark for many years and he is great guy! But the last time a had full tunes done at world cup my skis were pretty much unskiable. really bad hanging burrs and uneven base bevel! I redid them myself by hand and got them to ski smooth & 7 predictably.

hopefully someone around here can get ther sh_t together on tunes. Also I have heard Steve forsyth does a great job out of his shop down on main Street.
post #10 of 22
Thread Starter 
The input is great, thanks.

As for bevels.... what is the "right" thing to do there? Is it stick with manufacturers shipping specs or change? I'm a bit clueless on this point, so any pointers would be great.

Thnx/David
post #11 of 22
Stick with what the manufacturer recommends unless you know what your preferences are and why.
post #12 of 22
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
Again, Sturtevant has a brand new Top of the line fully automated Montana PROGRAMMABLE Machine now.

Should be pretty damn good!

I have experienced lousy tunes everywhere. I only let world cup stone grind my skis flat & I finish by hand.

If Sturtevant's machine can do what they say, I might have to give it a whirl!
Well, I handed my L8000s to Joel at Sturtevants yesterday. Looked at some of the skis they'd done... the thing sure can put different structures on the bottoms -- and mix different structures. They have done around 100 pair so far, and admit that they're still learning the more complicated stuff. They admit that their shop was a joke, and the argument for the Montana was to fix that reputation. So, I'm giving them a whirl. It's only $35 for the normal $55 tune up till end of Sep - w/ a money back if you don't like em. So, heck... we'll see.
-David
post #13 of 22
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomicman
Again, Sturtevant has a brand new Top of the line fully automated Montana PROGRAMMABLE Machine now.

Should be pretty damn good!

I have experienced lousy tunes everywhere. I only let world cup stone grind my skis flat & I finish by hand.

If Sturtevant's machine can do what they say, I might have to give it a whirl!
Just picked up my skis from Sturtevants.... the machine was out for a couple of days, and it was looking bad when I went to pick them up on the date the said to get them and they weren't done. They had done some ptex work by then, and I didn't like the looks of it and Joel promised to go over them again.

Well, they look great. granted I haven't skied on them yet, but the edges look good and even, and the base structure looks about perfect. So, I'd say the machine does what they said it would do.

So, A-man, I'd give them a whirl. I just gave them another set of skis and going to give them a board to do as well. I'd say I trust them.

David
post #14 of 22
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Originally Posted by tetsuma
Just picked up my skis from Sturtevants....
Well, they look great. granted I haven't skied on them yet, but the edges look good and even, and the base structure looks about perfect. So, I'd say the machine does what they said it would do.
So, A-man, I'd give them a whirl. I just gave them another set of skis and going to give them a board to do as well. I'd say I trust them.

David
Glad things worked out for you.
post #15 of 22
I've known mark for quite some time. Knowledgable, helpful and allways does a great job.
The service, smile and customer service is likely to improve with the new ownership. Joe and mark did most of the work anyway.
I plan to continue to give them my business and see what happens.
post #16 of 22

world cup skier service

World cup is indeed in good hands- I just had them tune my race fleet. So far every ski I have used is perfect. Brent will be in Utah next month- I am planning on him making me some new footbeds and punching out my husbands boots.
post #17 of 22

world cup

I'll abmit the new Montana is a great machine. But then again so is Fontain ect... These grinders can do so much these days and are very efficient. Sometimes relyed upon as such. They can pump out basic tunes while you have lunch and that seems like a convenience. When you have 20+ skis to tune in a day your babys that you payed a thousand for could be put on the tuning mill. Joe at World Cup is not from that school. He has a very personal interest in a custom tune. I'll agree that manu recommendations are key but so are the conditions those skis will be on until you get them tuned again. Early, mid, late winter then spring are radically different in structure. He understands these formulas as he skis them all religously hard. Plus lets not get get too freaked in varying bevels and those who sell them. Most will not feel a different in a 3,2,1 bevel combo buts instead a solid one, good structure, perfect wax and as imperative-detune. Some shops in the area have been around for a very long time and have done a large volume of tunes. But staff changes and so do machines this factor is not fixed and will inevitably determine the product. I'll have Joe do my skis anyday over the rest, look at the volume, think custom. And most of all, talk to him for 5 minutes or so about your plans, he'll give you perfect skis not pissed ones.
post #18 of 22
Hey, I like Joe and do some business with him. He is a very fair honest guy witout a doubt.

Mark Morrison is back at Sturtevant's. No longer at World Cup. And I get along with him very well!

I won't let anyone tune our skis. the Sturtevant's machine does fabulous base grinds. i would just make sure you only deal with Mark.

I have had many grinds done at both shops and been reasonably happy with base grinds only . Although Sturtevant's new machine seems to do a bit of a better job. I don't think it will do bevels to my standards.

I still won't let anyone else tune our boards.
post #19 of 22
I usually tune my own skis. Now, mostly with supervision from my older daughter (FIS racer). In general, I found that World Cup Ski Service has better service. Sturtevant's might have good equipment, but their actual service greatly varies depending on the specific employee. I agree with others, even thought the Sturtevant's might pull off an excellent base grind, there are only few folks in the store that really knows how their stuff. Using the same machine as Volkl is not as important as the technician. That is the key. Go to World Cup or if you go to Bend, Oregon, use the Race Place.

Post base grind - one is left with starting over on the base was and that is a lot of work. Cheers, Charlie
post #20 of 22

Le Bump for Steve Foresyth

Anyone know where Steve Foresyth is residing these days? I heard he closed is little shop in Old Bellevue sometime ago...
post #21 of 22
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Originally Posted by flaviaman View Post
Anyone know where Steve Foresyth is residing these days? I heard he closed is little shop in Old Bellevue sometime ago...
H e does have a little shop off main in old Bellevue. It's called Centerline Ski and boot Service.

105 102nd Ave SE. Bellevue, WA 98004. Phone Number:425-451-3869.
post #22 of 22
Used to work at WC Ski Svc. for Brent.

Joe and Marc are both good guys, and I can recommend both for good tunes. The real question is, "what kind of tune are you looking for?"

People talking about having multiple grinds done in a season that aren't racers may be wasting some money. There are ground rules here:

1) Beginning of the season, inspect your bases and edges. If your bases look fine (make sure to use a straight edge against the base) you may not need a base grind. Similarly, if you look at your edges and see huge gouges in the base side of the edge you may want to re-treat your base with a grind and re-set your base bevel.

2) NEVER try to reset your base bevel (unless going from a smaller bevel to a higher bevel, and even that's dodgy) without grinding your bases.

3) Regarding Base/Edge bevels. People all think they are experts on this issue and they are not. Often, when people say they don't like a certain bevel set often they just need to detune their tips/tails. A shop isn't always going to know how sharp you want your tips/tails. Another thing about bevels is that if you ski in soft snow all the time, don't waste your time obsessing about bevels; just go ski! If you don't like a 1/1 deg. bevel (try this first if you are not sure) then you may want to talk to a service tech like Joe or Marc about what you will get for doing that. Base bevels less than 1 deg. are often reserved for technical event race skis; particularly slaloms and not so much gs skis unless you are preparing for a SUPER turny course.

4) Another pitch for WC Skier Svc.: they picked up a world cup level service tech in the past couple years who now handles all the custom race work. According to Joe, it frees him up to handle a lot of other business concerns due to the quality of the work performed.

5) People getting worked up about one machine over another need to realize that even if all machines are created equal the technician is much more important than you may want to admit. All these machines need to be monitored at all times to make sure the stone is dressed properly and the pneumatic and other systems are working properly. Another point on tuning machines: if a shop only has a sigma 350 or other high quality base grinder and no comprehensive machine usually that is the sign of a high quality shop. I personally don't trust the larger machines to tune my edges; only to grind my bases as long as the stone is properly dressed but IĀ used to work in ski shops and know how to tune my edges.

It's important to know the facts, folks. If you are interested in finding out more, I know Joe's shop does tuning clinics and they are very worthwhile.
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