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Metron B5 vs. M:EX

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
I *need* another pair of skis (my wife thinks I just want another pair of skis, but hopefully you guys better understand the situation). Currently I have a pair of Fischer RX8 Railflex, and a pair of Volkl G4s that I've mounted with Fritschi Freerides for by BC setup. The RX8s are great for groomers, but I haven't figured out how to ski them as well as my G4s when it gets deeper. I've been using my G4s and softer AT boots on deeper days, but I'm thinking that a new pair of skis would fill a hole in my quiver, allow me to use my stiffer alpine boots on deep days, and fulfill the emptiness in my life. Dont' get me wrong, I *love* my G4s, but they're just not the perfect all mountain ski when I'm moving back and forth between groomed and off-piste, especially when used with my AT boots.

I hate to categorize my ability when faced with the type of skiers that I see posting here. I ski mostly at Tahoe and Mammoth, with occasional trips to Utah or B.C. I prefer the steep and deep, but a good part of every day I ski is spent skiing with my kids or my wife on groomers. I'd like to have a ski that approaches my RX8's carving performance, but works more like my G4s better in crud and powder. I'm 5'8" / 170 lbs. I used to tend towards fall line slalom radius turns, but I find myself tending towards longer radius, higher speed turns as the shape of skis has progressed.

I'm leaning towards the M:EX (165 cm?). However I've read so many rave reviews of the B5 here, that I want to make sure I'm making a reasonable choice. I guess my rationale is I want a ski that carves adequately and excels in crud/powder to complement my RX8s, and that sounds more like the M:EX. However, the B5 sounds like such a great all around ski that its crud / powder performance might approach the M:EX? The Atomic web site is pretty much free of substantial content (though they have spent a lot of effort on sound effects, it seems), so I'm having trouble differentiating the powder performance of the two.

I've down a lot of searching, and I haven't come across a thread that really compares the two models. Could someone who understands the difference (or better yet has skied both in powder) please chime in?

Thanks,
Mark
post #2 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by mday
I'm *need* another pair of skis (my wife thinks I just want another pair of skis, but hopefully you guys better understand the situation). Currently I have a pair of Fischer RX8 Railflex, and a pair of Volkl G4s that I've mounted with Fritschi Freerides for by BC setup. The RX8s are great for groomers, but I haven't figured out how to ski them as well as my G4s when it gets deeper. I've been using my G4s and softer AT boots on deeper days, but I'm thinking that a new pair of skis would fill a hole in my quiver, allow me to use my stiffer alpine boots on deep days, and fulfill the emptiness in my life. Dont' get me wrong, I *love* my G4s, but they're just not the perfect all mountain ski when I'm moving back and forth between groomed and off-piste, especially when used with my AT boots.

I hate to categorize my ability when faced with the type of skiers that I see posting here. I ski mostly at Tahoe and Mammoth, with occasional trips to Utah or B.C. I prefer the steep and deep, but a good part of every day I ski is spent skiing with my kids or my wife on groomers. I'd like to have a ski that approaches my RX8's carving performance, but works more like my G4s better in crud and powder. I'm 5'8" / 170 lbs. I used to tend towards fall line slalom radius turns, but I find myself tending towards longer radius, higher speed turns as the shape of skis has progressed.

I'm leaning towards the M:EX (165 cm?). However I've read so many rave reviews of the B5 here, that I want to make sure I'm making a reasonable choice. I guess my rationale is I want a ski that carves adequately and excels in crud/powder to complement my RX8s, and that sounds more like the M:EX. However, the B5 sounds like such a great all around ski that its crud / powder performance might approach the M:EX? The Atomic web site is pretty much free of substantial content (though they have spent a lot of effort on sound effects, it seems), so I'm having trouble differentiating the powder performance of the two.

I've down a lot of searching, and I haven't come across a thread that really compares the two models. Could someone who understands the difference (or better yet has skied both in powder) please chime in?

Thanks,
Mark
Fortunately there are several metron experts here. I ski metron IX's so I will be of no help. For me, the two you mentioned were simply way way too much ski (both in terms of capabilites and in WEIGHT).
post #3 of 24
I was going to get the Mex last year but then skied the M10 and decided I 'needed' them. My bias though was NOT towards powder and crud but more steeps and firm pack. The two skis are vastly different. There is not doubt the B5 (or M10) would be far more fun while hanging with the family on groomers. The Mex will give you an easier user friendly platform on crud and powder. If your bias is really for the crud/powder I would go with the Mex especially given the depth and/or density of the snow at the resorts you frequent. On the other hand the other metrons are quite capable in crud/powder if you are already quite adept at it and can handle lots of sidecut down low in the snow.

The Mex would more compliment your other skis instead of replace them.
post #4 of 24
the m:ex is a much better skiing ski than the b5, plus you can ski it in a real length.
post #5 of 24
Well, since skifordad said that, I'll jump in here, too. The M:EX is not, in my opinion, a "Metron". It does not have the same extreme sidecut of the Metrons (19m at 175 v 11m at 162 for the b5). It is a nice ski for the powder and crud, I would agree, but doesn't come close to the overall versatility of the M:b5.

I've said a lot on the forums about the b5s, primarily because I view them as the best all around ski ever made for me (to this point in history, but I don't expect that to be true for long). Whenever I skied them in a new condition, they constantly impressed me, from man-made snow hardpack (as close to "ice" as we get here in Colorado) to fresh powder (up to about 24"; the deepest I skied last year) to cut-up and crud and spring snow.

It took me some doing to get over the shorter length of skis, but I now have no qualms about it at all. The 162s that I ski are great at speed or when skied slowly with my kids. Honestly, a truly exceptional ski.

If you're 80% backside, pick the M:EX. Otherwise, especially if you like to carve it up, pick the b5s. Note: last year, my quiver was an RX8 and a b5, so it's likely we enjoy similar feel in skis. I found myself skiing the b5 more and more as the season progressed.
post #6 of 24
Oh, yeah... mday, welcome to EpicSki!

This year, the Hot Rods may give the b5 a run for its money, btw... I can't wait to try 'em to see!
post #7 of 24
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by ssh
Oh, yeah... mday, welcome to EpicSki!
You guys are sharp; I can't even slip by a 1st post after lurking for awhile Thanks for the welcome ssh.
I guess I feel like I just got the RX8s, and they're a great ski, so I shouldn't be trying to replace them already. Usually in the Tahoe area I'll know if I'm going to be mostly carving, or mostly in deep stuff (though last year, most every day was deep stuff . I'm hoping to find a ski that will work better on the deep stuff days, and then I'd use the RX8s on corduroy days. Of course, if the B5s are as good as the M:EXs in deeper Sierra snow, then maybe I should just go with them? I was originally planning on, as L7 said of the M:EX, complementing my existing skis. It sounds like the B5 would be more of a replacement, and I'm still left wondering if that would be the best choice for me. Metron or not, how different in 6" and deeper new snow and crud is the B5 compared to the M:EX?
post #8 of 24
Re M:EX '06
I skied the new '06 M:Ex @ Big Sky last season. While I was only on the ski for an afternoon, I could not wait to take them off. The 185cm ski handled very well in the crud & broken crust type snow. there it really shined making med-fast meduim turns...but thats all it wanted to do ; didnt float well, or do longer/shorter turns well. Didn't want to go faster....but when I crossed back onto the groomed, the ski was just terrible. It really did not want to do anything.
These days not only do you have to ski the terrain, but you must ski the ski: most upper level skiers lean toward a ski that will help them accomplish a particular style. Last season I was zipping around on my fischer WC SCs for sl turns & my WC RCs for hi-speed carving, K2 public enemies were great for pounding the crud, hop/pop turns & trees/cliffs. I also had a 21 GS race ski for the few masters race weekends. This season I replaced my SL skis w/ new Head SLs & really want to bomb faster so I stepped up to a pair of Head im 103s....th point to all this is that I really disliked the the M:EX b/c I failed to really see how it helped any style or technique goals..

Hope this is helpful!
post #9 of 24
I purchased B5s last feburary and all i have to say is WOW!. Rips groomers like a slow tranxtioning race ski, eat thought variable condition like it was cordury, skied a frozen stream bed with them at smuggler notch(ie water ice) just becasue i could, skied early april vermont slush, and skied severval day of more than foot of snow with them, a wind packed wet snow at 7springs(13inches), a wet snow of 12 inches at Okemo, a dry 2 in half feet day at Jay Peak. The ski floated a like powder ski with no "catchiness" , they have made me better skier and much more aggresive one at that. I honestly think are the best "one" ski you can buy out there.
post #10 of 24
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by iriponsnow
Re M:EX '06
I skied the new '06 M:Ex @ Big Sky last season. While I was only on the ski for an afternoon, I could not wait to take them off. The 185cm ski handled very well in the crud & broken crust type snow. there it really shined making med-fast meduim turns...but thats all it wanted to do ; didnt float well, or do longer/shorter turns well. Didn't want to go faster....but when I crossed back onto the groomed, the ski was just terrible. It really did not want to do anything.
Isn't 185 cm really long for the M:EX? I'm 5' 8"" / 175, and according to the Metron sizing charts should be skiing a 165. I wonder if you would have had the same impression on a shorter length?
I understand your point about chosing the correct ski for the type of conditions and turns that I want to ski, but that just doesn't match my lifestyle. We're lucky if we know which hill we're driving to when we leave the cabin in the morning , so I don't think I'm ever going to be the type to have my mind set on a particular turn style which would then dictate a specific ski choice. I'm also not likely going to be able to change skis mid-day if I make a poor selection. So I'd prefer to have just a couple of skis to choose from. In the past, a hard snow model and soft snow model has served me pretty well, though I have to admit that sometimes wished I had the 'other' pair when I'm on the mountain. If I get the B5, maybe this would reduce the number of times I wished I had the 'other' ski, or it might leave me wishing I had a better deep snow / crud ski to choose from. I guess that's what I'm struggling with. Since I feel like I have a carver that I'm really happy with, I'm much more focused on the ski I would pick for the new snow days (that would of course still entail some frontside skiing with the kids).
post #11 of 24
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Originally Posted by mday
Isn't 185 cm really long for the M:EX? I'm 5' 8"" / 175, and according to the Metron sizing charts should be skiing a 165.
I ski metron IX 157's and i'm 5-10, 180. Index said 164's but they were really hard to handle. I think this style of ski DEMANDS to be demoed, I know I did and am glad to have. I bought from a store near loon and the sales guy said very clearly that whatever size you THINK you should be on, its going to be shorter than you think.
post #12 of 24
The M:Ex felt very "straight" and somewhat cantankerous when I skiied on them. I like a ski with more shape even in the Crud & Pow. i really didn't care for it at all. It also felt very stiff.
i even thoght maybe they were mismounted (to far back) they skiied so strangely.

i skied the RX8 (brand spankin' new pair of my friends)& 05/06 B5 metron(my ski) back to back at Snow Basin last season. The B5 outskiied the RX 8 in every way whether groomed or not!

Go B5, you will find you truly can use just one ski everywhere and love it.

PS, I also skiied the B5 at Snowbird and Deer Valley and lots of new pow and chop. It was absolutely superb!!!!
post #13 of 24
[quote=Atomicman]The M:Ex felt very "straight" and somewhat cantankerous when I skiied on them. I like a ski with more shape even in the Crud & Pow. i really didn't care for it at all. It also felt very stiff.
i even thoght maybe they were mismounted (to far back) they skiied so strangely.



Ditto!
post #14 of 24
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Originally Posted by mday
I guess I feel like I just got the RX8s, and they're a great ski, so I shouldn't be trying to replace them already. Usually in the Tahoe area I'll know if I'm going to be mostly carving, or mostly in deep stuff (though last year, most every day was deep stuff . I'm hoping to find a ski that will work better on the deep stuff days, and then I'd use the RX8s on corduroy days. Of course, if the B5s are as good as the M:EXs in deeper Sierra snow, then maybe I should just go with them? I was originally planning on, as L7 said of the M:EX, complementing my existing skis. It sounds like the B5 would be more of a replacement, and I'm still left wondering if that would be the best choice for me. Metron or not, how different in 6" and deeper new snow and crud is the B5 compared to the M:EX?
I'd get the b5s to complement the RX8s. In fact, that's what I did last year. I just found that, as the season progressed, I tended to be on the b5s more and more.

They are a different ski than the RX8. They are wider, have a more extreme sidecut, are (much) heavier, and are damper. They also have a greater stand-height.

For my part, I see no comparison. b5 hands down.
post #15 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by ssh
I'd get the b5s to complement the RX8s. In fact, that's what I did last year. I just found that, as the season progressed, I tended to be on the b5s more and more.

They are a different ski than the RX8. They are wider, have a more extreme sidecut, are (much) heavier, and are damper. They also have a greater stand-height.

For my part, I see no comparison. b5 hands down.
Shh, you are relentless..........................
post #16 of 24
Thread Starter 
OK, OK, Uncle! I give up!
Last year's M:EX are just so cheap that I thought it was a slam dunk. As much as I wanted reassurance that my plan was well thought out, I've been convinced (umm... indcoctrinated?) to look more closely at the b5. My new plan is to wait and demo the b5 on a deep snow day. Hopefully this will also allow some time for the prices to come down on this year's model, since it doesn't seem like there any left from last year available at a discount.

Maybe this will turn out to be a great strategy after all: "Honey, you're right, I've decided not to get another pair of skiis right now". I'm thinking that she'll still be in a state of shock from these words passing my lips, that she won't notice later this season when I do pull the trigger.
I'm still a little surprised by the underwhelming response to the M:EX given how popular the R:EX was, but I guess ski technology marches on...
post #17 of 24
mday, the M:EX is a nice ski. But... demo. And let us know what you think. I'm happy to learn how others like/dislike different skis.
post #18 of 24
I liked the 185 M:EX, and I'm 180 lb.

Kevin
post #19 of 24
MDAY: I own the M:EX and the B:5's, and love 'em both.

Last year, we booked a week at Tahoe, where you ski, and I rode the M:EX's most of the time. Of course, we had 11 feet of snow in 7 days - a non-stop storm.

I ski the B:5's more overall, because I don't find deep snow as often as I'd like (especially last year). On the hardpack, the B:5's rule! They're also plenty wide to handle boot-deep crud or powder. They're best all-round ski I've owned (I've had lots).

The M:EX's, though, are superior in deep crud or powder. They surf wonderfully, and boost one's confidence in heavy, cut-up snow. They dipsey-doodle where others just dive. They're also outstanding for high-speed ripping, and can handle narley steeps with aplomb. Rock-solid edge-hold with great float.

Given that you love your Fishers, I'd suggest the M:EX's for new slice of life. They're ideal for Tahoe snow.
post #20 of 24
I bought the M:EX this year and have had them out only a couple of times. Most of the time I ride SX11s. The first couple of times I rode them on hardpack, I wasn't impressed - didn't hold an edge well and were a bit boaty. Thet were great on chopped up crud though. Last weekend, I had them out again on firmpack while my SX11s were getting tuned and I had a much different impression. I got used to them and could throw them around much quicker. They do hold an edge well on hardpack and can lock in well from a skid but need more edge than I was giving them at first.

One day on the weekend I took my SX11s out after lunch to see how their new tune feeled. The snow was softening, getting a little chopped and wet and about 5cm of fresh had fallen. I wished I had brought out the M:EXs - they are stable, fast and fun in these sorts of conditions. That said, on a good firmpack day they can't touch the SX11s.

M:EXs are stiff and aren't made for easy short turns. They handle speed and long/medium turns well.

I'm happy with the M:EX to complement my hardpack skis and got them at a bargain price. They're versatile enough to ride in a variety of conditions.
post #21 of 24
Thread Starter 
These last two opinions was more of what I expected (hoped for?) when I first posted. I expected people to prefer the M:EX to the B5 in powder and crud, but the B5 to be superior in harder snow. Since I already had a very good hard snow/carving ski, I expected consensus that he M:EX would be a better complement, but wanted to be sure. I'm willing to give up some hard snow performance, as long as whatever I get is close to my current G4s, which shouldn't be too hard since they're aging, a little dinged up, and I use them with softer AT boots.

I would grab this soft snow pair on the day of a storm and the couple of days after when I'm
mostly skiing powder / chopped powder / crud, but still spending some time on the groomers with my youngest son. Now I'm going back and forth if I should pull the trigger on the good deals out there for the M:EX, or wait for later season prices on the B5, or find another G4 like ski that will match my preference for powder and crud (admittedly the maritime variety we get in the Sierra) but have better hardpack performance than my G4s in their current setup.
post #22 of 24
I think the Capt'n is your best measure of this, for sure...
post #23 of 24
Mantras or Bro Models come to mind for me here. Both have some nice edge grip, and while straighter than the options above, they will aid you in both the chop and in developing your love for long, sweeping GS turns.
post #24 of 24
I'm late to the party, but I skied the M:EX all last year, literally every day I skied for 40 days. It wasn't great (understatement) on extreme hardpack, and it wasn't great in a ton of snow. In between it was awesome....if you flex it, the ski will will rail down the front. In my opinion, it aslo handles the variable conditions pretty well. I live in Colorado, so in between is what you see most often.
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