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Help w/ skiis - K2 Apache Recon or Crossfire?

post #1 of 23
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I have demoed each of these skiis and love them. I haven't tried any comparable Volki skiis - should I and which ones? All-mountain or freeride?

My basic question is what kind of ski should I be looking for to ski on-piste and occasional off-piste in CO. I just moved to Denver, and anticipate skiing alot this winter at Vail, Breck, Keystone, Copper. Should I be focusing on finding a mid-fat like the K2 Apache Recon, or something narrower at the waist like the Crossfire? I would love advice from anyone who is more familar with CO skiing.

My skiing abilities: advanced/expert. I'm a male, 6'-4", 195 lbs.

I'd like a ski that can take the quick turns of mogul skiing, but also allow me to hit some nice powder and crud. So basically all-mountain capabilities.

I've skied the Northeast for the last 15 years, and can basically ski anything out there. I tend to ski alittle slower than other friends of mine that are the same ability, and make fairly tight turns.
I'm partial to K2 b/c that's what I've had in the past.
Anyway, any help in deciding would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
post #2 of 23
K2 is big on my hill, where everyone prides themselves (and I'd like to) on off piste skiing. HOWEVER, I don't think of it as a "bump ski". Not that it's bad in bumps, I just don't think that people who LIKE bumps would pick it. It's also not a race ski. I know this because I like to do groomers fast and find that I can't really keep up with someone who has a race background and has skis they only take on groomers. That being said, I LOVE my XP's, (Recon's predecessor) and they give me loads of confidence in the crud and powder that I didn't have before. Sure, they are not powder specialists, but to those of us who can only afford one pair of skis, they pretty much handle it all.
post #3 of 23
I have the crossfires, because I do some skiing both east and west. They are great for any condition, but I usually demo something wider if it really snows when I am out west (which it usually does). They are not wide enough for more than boot deep snow.

Having said that, I would go more for the recon than the crossfire if I was out west all year. It would be alot better in crud and you will get to ski plenty of deep days that the added width would help. I would also demo some other 'midfats' to make sure the recon is what suits you best.
post #4 of 23
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post #5 of 23

P.e.

If you skis a fair amount of bumps you might want to demo an 04/05 or 05/06 Public Enemy. It is a suprisingly versitle one ski quiver.
post #6 of 23
You mentioned Volkl, so I'll suggest the AC4 as a possible alternative to Recon. If you demoed and liked the Recon go with it. You can always add on later. Western skiing is a different animal and I think you will take a couple years to fully adapt and find yourself and what works best. Keep and open mind and continue to experiment. I have currently settled on V-Mantra as my ski of choice. That is an extreme change from what I started on last year, a Volkl 6-Star (similar to Crossfire). Only time will tell if I can find something I like even better this year.

Past experience cannot predict the future when it comes to ski choices. Things have changed.
post #7 of 23
I would go with the Recon. I too have the xp and find it a great ski for out west. There's enough sidecut to lay down some quick arcs, blast through the cruc and, since the bumps out west are ususally softer than we have here in the midwest, manage quite well in the bumps.

I think you'll appreciate the extra girth.

Rob
post #8 of 23
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ok, I've checked out the Volkl AC-4 but haven't skied it. It does seem to be a good alternative to the Recon. Which would you all go with? Isn't Volkl generally a better ski for the money? (Both are the same price). Is a Volkl ski harder to ski?
thx
post #9 of 23
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Originally Posted by DefJef
I have demoed each of these skiis and love them.
Isn't this really all you need to know?
post #10 of 23
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post #11 of 23
Both, 2006 models, are available on Ebay right now:

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZepochaccQQhtZ-1
post #12 of 23
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Originally Posted by DefJef
My basic question is what kind of ski should I be looking for to ski on-piste and occasional off-piste in CO. I just moved to Denver, and anticipate skiing alot this winter at Vail, Breck, Keystone, Copper. Should I be focusing on finding a mid-fat like the K2 Apache Recon, or something narrower at the waist like the Crossfire? I would love advice from anyone who is more familar with CO skiing.

My skiing abilities: advanced/expert. I'm a male, 6'-4", 195 lbs.
Keeping in mind that Colorado is not the dumping ground that Utah is, you're likely to ski mostly smaller powder days (6"-12") rather than monster dumps (18" and up). If you are mostly a hiking powder seeker, go with the wider boards. If you're more likely to rip it up with a combo frontside/backside day, the Crossfires.

From a Volkl perspective, try the AC3/AC4 pairing.

I'd also recommend trying a pair of Nordia Hot Rods (probably the Top Fuel for you) and a pair of Atomic Metron:b5s for comparison. Demo days at Loveland start in mid-November most years. Ping me if you'd like to hook up at one or more of them...
post #13 of 23
I'd look for a ski at least 80mm at the waist. Just bought a pair of 169 Public Enemies they are 85 at the waist and I have some volant chubbs 185(191) 94 at the waist.

The chubbs were nice for bombing powder and decent on trail but terrible on the bumps.

I hear good things about the PE's though. Demo some skis early season and then decide.
post #14 of 23
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Originally Posted by acsguitar
I'd look for a ski at least 80mm at the waist. Just bought a pair of 169 Public Enemies they are 85 at the waist and I have some volant chubbs 185(191) 94 at the waist.

The chubbs were nice for bombing powder and decent on trail but terrible on the bumps.

I hear good things about the PE's though. Demo some skis early season and then decide.
what's the PE's????
post #15 of 23
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Originally Posted by DefJef
what's the PE's????
K2 Public Enemy, an all-mountain jibber ski.
post #16 of 23
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BakerBoy
K2 Public Enemy, an all-mountain jibber ski.
ah thank you

all the advice above is great - but I am confused. I will be skiing alot of front-side type groomed terrain (and bumps) as well as back bowl stuff out here in CO. I will not be doing much hiking to large powder stashes. So does that mean that looking for a mid-fat is a bad idea? I'm getting the impression that I should be looking for something like the Crossfires so I can ski crud and moguls better.....excuse my cluelessness. I've only skied CO once so I don't have the experience to know what a typ. CO ski day is like in terms of conditions that I will encounter....
post #17 of 23
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I feel like the Volkl AC4s might be a better pick, as Volkl is a better ski, no?
post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by DefJef
I feel like the Volkl AC4s might be a better pick, as Volkl is a better ski, no?
Better than the Public Enemy? Probably. BUT, the best ski is the one you ski the best on.

My husband, NOT a jibber, likes the PE for some reason, just hates the graphics. I am trying to help him find another ski, but if he keeps liking the PE, we will just put contact paper on them.
post #19 of 23
DefJef, if you're going to be skiing all mountain, I'd suggest an all-mountain mid-fat like the Nordica Hot Rod Top Fuel or Atomic Metron (b5 or M:11). Are you going to be able to demo early season (Front Range demo days are usually mid- to late-November)?
post #20 of 23
The public enemies are noodles and I thought they were exceedingly bland in all respects. They were versatile enough to be skied all-mountain, however, that versatility made them mediocre at everything. If you have to have a park capable all-mountain ski, they aren't bad. If not, look elsewhere.

I did ski both the Recons and the Crossfires and found that they both skied well with the crossfires having the edge in the moguls and better edge grip, but the recons having the edge in crud and stability. Pretty much what you would expect given the specs.

The K2 all mountain skis had a very laidback and damp feel to them. I would think the Crossfire would serve you well as it seems you are going to be 70% on, 30% off piste. Just demo a fat ski on really huge powder days.
post #21 of 23
Thread Starter 
not sure what you mean by "damp feel to them"

thanks for the input.

I'm also very intrigued by the Volkl Ac4s - are they more similar to the Recons or the Crossfire?
post #22 of 23
I've skied the xp in a 181 for the past three years. great ski. any condition. Rails the fast turns, floats okay in up to knee deep pow even does okay in the bumps. Sets a serious edge on the hardpack. You can get them goin' real fast. Keepin' em around for the packed powder/granular on winter days and on-piste sun affected spring corn days of march/april.

moving to the mantra 177 as my second ski. I wanted a little more pow/crud versatility for pnw/british columbia type off-piste snow.

YMMV
post #23 of 23
Hopefully the Recon is as good as the XP. I just got a pair of 2006 Recons, sans bindings, on Ebay and told my husband he's paying for them as my Christmas present. I didn't get a chance to demo them last year, so this is just going on blind faith that they didn't really change the ski, just the graphics.
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