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Which resort for family Steamboat or Park City?

post #1 of 19
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My family and I have been to Steamboat for the last 2 years and we thought that maybe we would go somewhere different. Which resort is better suited for families?

Thanks
post #2 of 19
Park City is a fun place for non-skiers and families. For family skiing related activties, you've got one of the premiere kid's oriented programs in the country at Deer Valley, and decent programs at PCMR & The Canyons. All three offer huge variety and something for everyone, each one similar in size to Steamboat. Off hill, you have a great town and outlying area that has something for everyone:

- Great dinning (pricey, though)
- Outlet shopping
- Utah Olympic Park (Bobsled, ski jumping, tour, museum, etc.)
- Salt Lake City (shopping, theatre, sports, ballet, symphony, etc.)
- Other ski resorts (Alta, Solitude, etc.)

All within 30/45 minutes of the airport. Don't forget to take advantage of the Quickstart program, where you can ski at the PC resorts for free the day you arrive (get a morning flight). In short, you won't be dissapointed.

Powdr
post #3 of 19
Park City is easier to get too. Steamboat has free skiing for kids.

You might also consider Aspen/Snowmass. Snowmass is really nice for families because most of the lodging is ski in/out. Northwest has a really nice direct flight from Memphis, so you won't need a car.
post #4 of 19
I would suggest Park City. I have been to both several times each and Park City is more convenient to get around than SB if you stay close to town. The skiing is way better at SB, but you can always go the Cottonwood canyons' ski areas for some of the best skiing in the world.
post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by TerpSKI
...The skiing is way better at SB, but you can always go the...
Hmm...Not sure about that statement. Been to both. Steamboat is pretty much PCMR without the bowls, and only one vs. three mountains. Go to the top 1/3 of the PC resorts and you have a microclimate more similar to BCC & LCC. Perhaps you haven't been to Daly Chutes, Empire, Lady Morgan, McConkeys, Puma, Jupiter Peak, Scotts, Dutch Draw, 9990, Square Top or Murdock? These areas border the Northern side of Big Cottowood Canyon, and often get similar dumps to Birghton/Solitude. Don't believe me? Look at government data on the upper PC area vs. Brighton:

http://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/cgibin/wygraph-multi.pl?state=UT&wateryear=2005&stationidname=11j 56s-THAYNES%20CANYON

http://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/cgibin/wygraph-multi.pl?state=UT&wateryear=2005&stationidname=11j 57s-BRIGHTON

Very similar historical snow accumulation averages (light blue line).

Anyway, I always wonder whether people that shit on the PC resorts ski the same places I do, because I seem to find plenty of good stuff around here.

Powdr
post #6 of 19
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Originally Posted by Powdr
Hmm...Not sure about that statement. Been to both. Steamboat is pretty much PCMR without the bowls, and only one vs. three mountains. Go to the top 1/3 of the PC resorts and you have a microclimate more similar to BCC & LCC. Perhaps you haven't been to Daly Chutes, Empire, Lady Morgan, McConkeys, Puma, Jupiter Peak, Scotts, Dutch Draw, 9990, Square Top or Murdock? These areas border the Northern side of Big Cottowood Canyon, and often get similar dumps to Birghton/Solitude. Don't believe me? Look at government data on the upper PC area vs. Brighton:

http://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/cgibin/wygraph-multi.pl?state=UT&wateryear=2005&stationidname=11j 56s-THAYNES%20CANYON

http://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/cgibin/wygraph-multi.pl?state=UT&wateryear=2005&stationidname=11j 57s-BRIGHTON

Very similar historical snow accumulation averages (light blue line).

Anyway, I always wonder whether people that shit on the PC resorts ski the same places I do, because I seem to find plenty of good stuff around here.

Powdr
If you like powder, there is no comparison. SB gets more & better snow than PCMR.

Otherwise it is a matter of opinion as to what one prefers. I like the snow, layout, trees, and lower crowds of SB.
post #7 of 19
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Originally Posted by TerpSKI
If you like powder, there is no comparison. SB gets more & better snow than PCMR.

Otherwise it is a matter of opinion as to what one prefers. I like the snow, layout, trees, and lower crowds of SB.
Hmm...again, I gotta wonder where you skiing at the PC resorts. The upper 1/3 gets as much, if not more than Steamboat (PCMR: 355"/year, Steamboat: 337"/year). Quality wise, the storms do dry out a little more as they move inland (I've heard 7% vs. 8% moisture), but the Wastach also steals that snow away from the downstream folks. I'd be willing to say that PC vs. Steamboat is a wash regarding snow qaulity & quantity (quality goes to Steamboat, quantity goes to PC), but it is no contest in the terrain category.

Crowds? How can you say that a place like Steamboat, with ~1,000K skier visits can be less crowded than PCMR, with ~750K visits? Divide each areas's skier visits by lift capacity (36,195 vs. 27200, respectively) and you get very similar numbers (slight edge to PCMR; 27.57:27.63) Add to that two other resorts with FAR less crowding and I'm not sure what you mean. get the impression that you are looking through Steamboat colored glasses (not that I'm not looking through PC colored glasses). But at least I have some facts to back it up

Powdr

Powdr
post #8 of 19
Gotta go with Powdr on this one! Back to the original post, give Park City a shot as I think you'll really enjoy it for many of the reasons Powdr mentioned and it's nice to visit different areas I think.
post #9 of 19
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Originally Posted by TerpSKI
If you like powder, there is no comparison. SB gets more & better snow than PCMR.

Otherwise it is a matter of opinion as to what one prefers. I like the snow, layout, trees, and lower crowds of SB.
Hm better and more snow? less crowds??? Highly doubtfull on both accounts.
The only time the 3 resorts in PC get any crowds are during the holidays.
And if you know where to ski at each resort, you can find the least crowds. ie: at DV it's Mayflower.
Better snow?? Then why did Utah get it copywrited, Greatest Snow On Earth?

PC is alot easier to get to. Here is an idea,
Ski Park City first, then jump in the car take US 40 east to Steamboat, then come back here and give us a report
post #10 of 19
Go to Park City for the change of pace.
Your family will enjoy it just as much - mainly because you have each other and can spend time in a beautiful setting.
post #11 of 19
Powdr-Where did you get your facts? The first place I looked (Tony Crocker's site) shows that the season average of PC is (at the upper alt.) is lower than SB and at the lower it is less than half SB's. Not sure where you're looking (maybe PCMR website?). And if you had been to SB and sampled the powder, you would see more resemblance to Cottonwood Canyons than PC.

Anyway, after all this, I STILL recommend PCMR to the original poster over SB for their family vacation. There is more to do, more skiing variety, and the some of the best skiing in the world at nearby Cottonwood Canyons.
post #12 of 19
These facts of historical snow date clearly indicate that Park City has superior snow to Steamboat:

http://www.skiclub.co.uk/skiclub/rep...cal/report.asp

Click on Park City, and then Steamboat. It is not even close. For example on March 1st, historically, PC has 319cm. on upper slopes and 178cm. on lower; SB has 164cm. and 136cm. respectively. The Canyons has 300cm. and 250cm. respectively.
post #13 of 19
TerpSKI:

Snow stats are similar to car milage: You Milage May Vary. Tony's site, although very good and accurate, does not tell the complete story. He correctly surmises that in town vs. up on the mountain are two completely different stories. I suspect he collected his data from base and "summit" measurements off the ski area snow reports. What I think he might not have realized, is that until three or four seasons ago, PCMR used their snow stake at the top of the Bonanza chair as the "summit" measurement. That is roughly 1,000 feet lower than Jupiter Peak, the real summit. PCMR in fact only started reporting snow totals from Jupiter Peak about 3-4 years ago, in an attempt to even out the snow reporting wars. A more accurate measurment is if you take the government's SNOTEL data (the ones I posted earlier) and try to get the sites at the same elevation (or at least some mid mountain). That paints a different story, the one I'm familair with: the upper PC resorts have DEEP snow packs mid winter. The SNOTEL sites BTW are automated, validated measuring stations, and I have 100% faith in their acurracy.

One further note: if you do put some faith in the ski area snow depth reports, PCMR just about always (say 9 out of 10 years) has a greater reported depth than does Steamboat, or Vail, or Aspen, or Winter Park or.......

Powdr
post #14 of 19
LOL Wow- How did I miss these replies?

You guys work for the PC chamber of commerce right? Two Karl Rove proteges to be sure.

The best thing I can say for the skiing at Park City: at least you are not far from the Cottonwood Canyons.
post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by TerpSKI
LOL Wow- How did I miss these replies?

You guys work for the PC chamber of commerce right? Two Karl Rove proteges to be sure.

The best thing I can say for the skiing at Park City: at least you are not far from the Cottonwood Canyons.
They live in Utah. What would expect? Has either even skied Steamboat?

Here's a suggestion. Since they've been to Steamboat already, why not go to Pack City this trip and compare. Either will be nice reguardless of how much powder there is.
post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by SHREDHEAD
Park City is easier to get too. Steamboat has free skiing for kids.

You might also consider Aspen/Snowmass. Snowmass is really nice for families because most of the lodging is ski in/out. Northwest has a really nice direct flight from Memphis, so you won't need a car.
Why do you always try to confuse people and suggest something other than their original question? Are you a travel agent?
post #17 of 19
I'm a PC season pass holder so I'm prejudiced off the bat. But I've skied both Steamboat and the PC resorts and I have some thoughts.
Steamboat's supposed to have the best tree-glade skiing in the west- Deer Valley's got amazing trees off the Sultan chair.Everyone seems to agree that both are great cruiser mountains, but people sell PC- DV-Canyons short ..
The higher parts of PCMR are really like a pocket-size Alta with really amazing stuff off the Jupiter chair. If you think PC is flat, you didn't go high enough- Huck the cornice on Scott's bowl sometime. The Canyons has expert terrain and no crowds. Deer Valley' on a powder day is a revelation.
And then, if you're bored, you've got the Cottonwoods 45 min away.

What bugs me the most about Steamboat is that I was there twice, ten years apart. In 91 and in 01 and the development was really off the charts.I saw rows of giant condos everywhere that looked like Soviet era apartment buildings where pastures had been. We have nothing like that here yet. It's still quite small in scale. They're trying to screw it up, just are10 years behind Colorado. Deer Valley is on a building frenzy and is becoming a mountain city with trails for streets - and the Canyons, if they ever build everything they have planned, will end up looking like a mini Steamboat with taste. Park City itself will always be a small 19th century town, saved by it's geography- It's in a glorified ravine between PCMR and Deer Valley.

And wow, killer stats Pwdr-
post #18 of 19
Are some in your family on snowboards? To me, PCMR caters to them a bit more than Steamboat. If you have money and everyone is a skier, I would spend time at Deer Valley. Just my impression, but DV does all-age family better than PCMR which seems to have more teenage ambience, esp with the terrain park. But I also like the laid-back atmosphere of Steamboat too. I would base your choice on the age of the kids and if you want a change of pace.
post #19 of 19
Damn the PC locals are a loyal lot.

I skied PCMR for 8 years as a lift op and patroller. I thought the place was awesome. Then I got out and saw the world.

Jupiter Bowl... please....... 15 turns and traverse. The West Face is decent but can get wind hammered often. Scotts Bowl? Yeah its o.k. but really, maybe 50 turns at the most and a long run out back to the lift. Is there still a big traveres line cut across the middle of Scotts by people too lazy to hike to the top?.

The east face of Jupiter Peak is O.K. but nothing really special. Ozone is a nice line but its a loooong run out to the lift. Machetes and the rest are again, just O.K.

I agree with the idea that to experience something different, a trip to P.C. is in order. But to elevate Jupiter Bowl to the status that some of you have granted it is.... well ridiculous....

Powdr wrote "PCMR in fact only started reporting snow totals from Jupiter Peak about 3-4 years ago, in an attempt to even out the snow reporting wars." Bullsh!t.... we were reporting snow totals from Jupiter in 1985..... Youngsters.... sheesh...

Oh and the snow stake at the top of Jupiter is in a big damn snow drift and really doesn't represent bupkus...
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