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Toko All Conditions Wax

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Anybody use this "all conditions" wax and what did you think?
post #2 of 7
Stuff is great for most recreation skiing. Cheap enough too. Just don't use is in less than 10 Degree weather. It gets a little squeeky at that temp.
I use Hertel hotsauce for most of my waxing because I got a huge block cheap but it only goes down to about 15-20 degrees. I carry Toko all condition for that 10-20 range and cold temp wax for anything lower. After trying several different types except for unusual ski days I couldn't feel a difference. I found quality of wax job made a bigger difference. For most of us rec skiers, won't feel a big difference between formulas.
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post #3 of 7
That stuff works fine except for extreme temperatures at both ends of the scale. I've used it because of the price and have no complaints. Someone has already mentioned its cold weather performance isn't the greatest. Its warm weather performance isn't bad but I found you need all the help you can get when the snow gets real slushy so I use a better wax in those conditions.<FONT size="1">

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post #4 of 7
Thread Starter 
Thanks. I used to mix temp colors when weather was uncertain, but this takes the guess out of it.
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Swix makes a Universal Warm and a Universal Cold, so this could broaden your effective temperature range, although I'm not sure by how much since I don't have any experience with them. I don't mind the extra hassle with using the temperature range waxes.

- Paul
post #6 of 7
The "all-condition" waxes work all right, better than nothing does. “Universal waxes” give up performance in specific areas to even out the performance across a broader range. You are better off watching the weather and using a higher grade, more temperature specific wax, if you are looking for better performance. I usually keep a minimum of 3 temp ranges on hand, Swix LF or HF, and graphite. I mix a lot though as well, including graphite and multiple base and topcoat layers. Even if I guess off a few degrees the performance of the higher quality wax is still better than the "universal" stuff and it really does not take that much longer. Remember wax does not last as long as most people think, 1 good day, 2 tops. If you are just looking to maintain your bases and save time the universal wax is an inexpensive and hassle free way to go. It is just like anything else, more detail and harder work get you better results.

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post #7 of 7
So-called universal waxes are really just re-labeled mid-range temperature-specific hydrocarbon waxes. (See the dominator wax site for an interesting article on the subject.) But since they're cheaper than otherwise-labeled temperature specific waxes, I would highly recommend them for anything but serious racing. And you can get an entire 900g of Swix for only $20 from www.artechski.com, which is the same price as a few measly 60g packs in a store.
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