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post #1 of 14
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Ladies and Gents,

New to the boards, just wanted to introduce myself. I love skiing and have been skiing since I was 3 (24 now). Since going to college I haven't been going as often as I like, and this year I want to begin skiing on a more regular basis with a trip out west (Jackson or Whistler, haven't decided) Furthermore my gear is getting dated and I'd like to get some recommendations on new skis to try out/buy.

Currently I ski on Heads (cannot remember model, but they are old, i.e. 96 or so, they are a shaped ski though) and Volkl P30s, which I am not fond of.

I would like something that I can make aggressive, fast turns on hard pack, while being able to withstand off trail and moguls. I am 5'7" 160lbs. I would rate myself as advanced, borderline expert (just dont know anything about gear, spent all my gear money on going skiing) I ski agressively, especially on hard pack. I would like to explore buying last years models, as they are significantly cheaper.

Thanks for any input!


post #2 of 14
Hi Kevin, Welcome.

Your best bet would be to demo a variety of skis. Try different brands and different models in different sizes. What is right for me might not be right for you. I'd hate to recommend a ski that you found to be miserable. Good luck! Get out there and DEMO!
post #3 of 14
What he said, I was reccomended a ski, I demoed it and hated I then demoed salomons and I love them. All in all you need to fit your own style and demo a couple skis, and it doesnt help to buy skis of demo, becuase what you see is what you get (for a hell of alot less)!
post #4 of 14
Originally Posted by SkiStarr90
What he said, I was reccomended a ski, I demoed it and hated I then demoed salomons and I love them. All in all you need to fit your own style and demo a couple skis, and it doesnt help to buy skis of demo, becuase what you see is what you get (for a hell of alot less)!
:FYI- he is a she
post #5 of 14
Oops, I guess I wasn't paying attention.
post #6 of 14
Assuming that most of your ski days are in the east I would look toward a ski that is about 170cm and favors short to medium radius turns. Being that you do not like the P30, I would also, not recommend a stiff ski - as that may be the source of your discontent. So, stiff high end Volkls are out of the question for now. If I were you I would give the Elan S12 a shot, as well as the Rossignol Zenith offering of the same performance level. Many people on this board have really enjoyed the Dynastar OmeCarve models as well (I would look toward the 9 and 10). The Fischer RX8 might be slightly too stiff for what youre looking for - unless stiff doesnt bother you at all - then try the RX8, and Volkl 5 star and 6 star. All of the skis that I listed are "all-mountain" skis and have waist between 65mm and 70mm - which sounds lke your ideal range. They also have a very wide tip and tail (in comparison to a say a GS ski), which makes them carve much easier, and trend to a shorter radius turn. Long radius turns are still possible, but the skis will lock into a medium radius turn very naturally without much effort from the driver. If you really want a perfect fit - demo as many skis as possible (like was mentioned above) - and try to figure out some of the characteristics that youre looking for in a ski. If you just want a better ski than you currently have, buy something like i mentioned above in the sales that are going on now, and enjoy your ski season. The list I gave you up top is of course a good place to start if you decide to demo skis.

You will find skis in the following categories:
Race: GS and SL
All-Mtn medium/short turners: Carvers skied shorter with 65 - 70mm waists (110mm+ tips)
Freeride: closer to traditional lengths waist size ranging from 70mm to 85mm, tip size ranging from 106mm to 120+ The new trend is to create skis that have wide waists and huge sidecuts (Atomic Metron, Nordica Hotrod etc - great skis but not a huge tendancy toward hardpack - but will bulldoze anything on the mountain.
Powder: 85mm and up - the cetegory needs no explanation
Twin Tip: 75 - 85mm waist and twin tip design - can double as freeride skis but center mounting prevents a lot of freeriders to adopt them for every day skiing... typically very soft.

I left out a few like womens, kids, etc, but this will give you a general idea of what kinds of skis are out there, and what area you should be looking in - as to not be looking for a ski with a bias toward groomed snow and moguls and start looking at skis with an 80mm waist.



PS: Do a search on types of skis... or just search my posts from last season and you will find a thread in which I put together a very well defined list of types of skis as well as examples of skis in each category. Several categories were broken down further than what i have given here.
post #7 of 14
great info from Greg.

Kevin, I'd suggest holding off on the desire to buy, because even if you get a "60% off last year's model" deal on a ski you dislike, you still dislike the ski!

I returned to skiing in 2000 after a 10-year hiatus. I did a lot of demos after asking around for recommendations. I can tell you without a doubt, the demo experience was SUPER helpful.

Skis perform very well nowadays. They are so fuggin' sophisticated that most of us won't even get our money's worth out of 'em.

The benefit of this techie advancement is that you can narrow your choices down to what's available to demo, and then make your choice based on what you like at the demo experience.

What you should focus on is the "feel" of each ski. From my personal experience, I can tell after a good 15-20 turns whether I like a ski's feel.

remember that it takes some time to get to know a ski, what is its sweet spot, how it likes to be driven.

Caveats for demo days:

1) arrive early to get a full array of choices

2) ask about the tune -- a poorly tuned ski will feel poor no matter how well it performs when properly tuned. if the ski feels funky (can't hold an edge) then try a different pair, if possible.

3) take notes, it will help sort things out at the end of the day and later, when you're back home

4) be careful about taking notes on size selections. size increments make a pretty big difference now that skis are, on the whole, much shorter. 15 years ago, a 5cm difference was almost non-existent in feel. now you might find that 5cm is the difference between a ski you love, and a ski that evokes empathy.
post #8 of 14
Kevin, if you liked your Head skis you might want to add some of their XRC series skis to the demo list. Last years XRC 1100s and this years 1200s and 1100s would be in that all mtn expert category. I have seen some of the 1100s from last year still around and being offered at substantial savings. I'm about your size and really enjoy the XRC 1100 SWs (163 cm) that I purchased last year.
post #9 of 14
Another idea with regards to demoing skis.

A lot of rental shops offer a package you can get for anywhere between $100 and $200 to rent/demo any of the skis in their shop for a whole season. Pay once, ski as often as you like on as many skis as you like. The hidden benefit is that you'll feel really guilty if you _don't_ ski, so it's an extra incentive to get out there.
post #10 of 14
volant spatulas- no need to demo, just buy them.
post #11 of 14
Kevin, welcome to EpicSki!

If you haven't done so already, you may want to check out the Gear Forums here at EpicSki. You'll see a lot there on many different skis (that's really where this thread belong, btw, but it's all good).

Demo is the key answer. You should be able to find a lot of options during a demo day. I tend to like the Fischers, Atomics, Nordicas, and Elans. But, there are a lot of great skis out there these days, so get as much time on 'em as you can.
post #12 of 14
Demoing is fun, and I know I can't buy any ski without trying them. Skis are really individual, and when you try a ski you'll wonder at the descriptions by others of that same ski, as they'll often be so different from your experience.
I always hated race skis, too much work and too limited, and then when I got on some Stockli race skis, there I was doing a long, steepish mogul run on them and having a ball. You have to demo.
post #13 of 14
Thread Starter 
Guys and Gals,

Thanks for the GREAT advice. I will definitly be demoing skis this winter. Whats the best way to find out when demo days are at moutains in the NE? I will be going out to Jackson Hole in March, so I may make a purchase before then.

Also whats the deal with these ski/binding combos? I have a nice set of Markers that I was going to take off of my P30s and put on whatever ski I get next.

I'm really going to try and demo a wide variety of skis. I've never demo skis before and I think there could be a large benefit to my ability as a skier if I can find a ski that suits me well.

Thanks again
post #14 of 14
1. How many days is a lot?
2. How many days will you spend on the skis before replacing them?
3. Who tunes your skis?
4. What type of wear/damage would be normal for your skis?
If you ski less than once a week, or twenty times a season, the season long rental might be a more economical option. Some shops do this, some don't. Not being from NYC I cannot tell you which shop to visit but a little research might save you a lot of money and allow you to update your skis more often. While owning your skis is more traditional, it usually costs a lot more because you will probably retire the skis before wearing them out. On the other hand if you are like me and are out on the snow every day, you will wear out the skis a lot faster. I wish I could do a seasonal rental but the skis would be worn out and of little value to the shop.
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