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post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 
I see "someone" always saying in threads to "use search" instead of asking questions.

That's OK if all I want is to find out what someone who has been posting for years (and years and years) has to say about the subject. However, it doesn't allow me to gather information from Bears that started posting after the date of the threads that were found by searches.

Believe it not, posters (posers?) that have been here a while are not necessarily the most expert in the subject (apologies to those that are expert that have been here a while - you know who you are). Give other people a chance to express their opinion, too. Just because epic has the reputation (at least with tgr) of being oldgeezers.com, doesn't mean that it has to be.

C'mon, give the rest of us a chance, too!!

Thanks for the rant.
post #2 of 29
Lenny, before posting this errant thought, you should have checked the archives, as your post is highly unoriginal and its sentiment has been posted countless times before.

in other words,

get a clue, newbie!

(while you're at it, get a new first name too. maybe Sheldon or Myron.)
post #3 of 29
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzostrike
(while you're at it, get a new first name too. maybe Sheldon or Myron.)
touche, though, I was thinking about changing my first name to Hunter.
post #4 of 29
Of course using the search allows even new and expert posters the chance to review and expand on other quality material already posted. Sometimes these repeated posts are long and not that interesting to repeat time and time again. It's nice to see someone at least make reference to a sincere effort at searching even if it isn't successful. That way those answering have the feeling the person asking isn't just demanding info on the spot but is willing to also make an effort to make it easier for others.

Everyone is here to help, I don't see a problem with making it easier for people to provide that help.

BTW you have brought up another already exhausted point (hunter) that a search might have let you avoid. Not that you would have found it but if you had that can of worms could have happily remained closed.
post #5 of 29

ready or not here ...

I typed in "use search" and there were over twenty posts from the 16'th of August till today.

I'm still lost.

What now?

Actually, you could ignore the suggestion and two things will happen:

#1. The question was so lame that you will be ignored.

#2. You may get a response or three.

#3. The wolves will be unleashed.

#6. You may get sent (innocently of course), over to TGR.
post #6 of 29
I agree about giving that comment a rest. If there is anyone on this website who likes, off the net, to be told to 'go look it up' when they ask somebody a question, I'd be real interested to hear from them. The suggestion to use the search feature sounds a lot like 'go look it up.' It's smug and it's always stifling.

I think the right way to respond to a question that's been asked a thousand times before is either, if you are blessed with endless patience, to answer it, or, if you aren't to ignore it and find something more interesting on the website to get into.
post #7 of 29
The problem is that asking the same questions over and over again is a real problem.

a) In reality, someone who does not even bother to try a quick search is asking hundreds or thousands of people to compensate for their lazyness. Yeah, sometimes older info is wrong, lame, tired, etc. However, often it is not. Often what someone is looking for is only days or weeks old. It is simple courtesy to "do your homework" instead of asking the entire community to do it for you.

b) Even when people answer, you end up fragmenting the information. So instead of one coherent thread on a topic, we end up with a pile of threads - sometimes concurrently. So not using search only creates a world where effective use of search is increasingly the only way to find a pile of related/overlapping threads with the info you want anyway

Hmmmm, maybe I should have ignored this thread...
post #8 of 29
all I can say is,

when some gomer comes in asking "what boots keep my feet warmest," I'm not exactly going to go mollycoddle old gomer.

know what I mean?

I prefer to send 'em to Paula's. it's most likely they'll fit in better over there. just like if they come in slingin' insults, they're probably going to be happier going to TGR.

post #9 of 29
In defense of lennyblake, the search feature sometimes comes up with ZIP or things that don't answer your question. It's not a very good search engine. Half of the time, I can't find things I posted 6 months ago, and I almost know every word verbatim. Grrr.

Quote:
posted by lennyblake:
Give other people a chance to express their opinion, too.
This is important. There are ways to do this without starting new threads. You can always add your thoughts to the end of what you've found and 'resurrect' an old thread. Sometimes, though, you just want to start fresh.

How many threads do we need to ask 'how to learn, how do students learn, how do instructors learn', etc. These are all related, and there are lots of threads on them. I don't see anyone bitchin about that.

Ease up on the new guys. It may not be laziness, but just that they want a fresh start. With a lot of new members, we should be tolerant.

Glad to have you back, Your Snarliness (Gonz). I sure missed ya.
post #10 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonni
Glad to have you back, Your Snarliness (Gonz). I sure missed ya.
What, did I miss something while I was tiling one of my rental's bathrooms? Did Gonz get banned again?
post #11 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kneale Brownson
What, did I miss something while I was tiling one of my rental's bathrooms? Did Gonz get banned again?
OH NO!!!!!! I love Gonzo's post, most entertaining. Why do you think that he is BANNEDDDDDDD?:
post #12 of 29
I think it makes sense to suggest a search when we know that there have been recent threads on a topic. It also can provide a lot of information. If I have the time, I will post links to old threads to help, but I view the suggestion as simply a way of helping someone find a lot more information than they otherwise would see. I try to state it that way, rather than, "Use search, you ridiculous noob!"
post #13 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by ssh
I think it makes sense to suggest a search when we know that there have been recent threads on a topic. It also can provide a lot of information. If I have the time, I will post links to old threads to help, but I view the suggestion as simply a way of helping someone find a lot more information than they otherwise would see. I try to state it that way, rather than, "Use search, you ridiculous noob!"
I agree, it has a lot to do with the intent behind the suggestion, and the resultant wording. Obviously if you tend to be annoyed by people asking the same old "what skis do I need" question, then you shouldn't respond to the post, to do so is simply an exercise in frustration.

It might be a good idea (since gear questions are increasing as the season approaches) to have a sticky thread at the top of the gear discussion forum giving some tips on choosing gear, including the use of the search function, as well as the sort of personal information one should include when asking gear questions.
post #14 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by volantaddict
It might be a good idea (since gear questions are increasing as the season approaches) to have a sticky thread at the top of the gear discussion forum giving some tips on choosing gear, including the use of the search function, as well as the sort of personal information one should include when asking gear questions.
Good idea! I'll take a swipe at this over the next few days... Perhaps on the plane home tomorrow night...
post #15 of 29
If no one answers their question, they might try a search. Or if someone answers, I imagine it's because they want to! Either way, you can just ignore annoying quetsions rather than growling at the OP.
post #16 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kneale Brownson
What, did I miss something while I was tiling one of my rental's bathrooms? Did Gonz get banned again?
No banning, he's just been quiet and NICE lately.:
post #17 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonni
No banning, he's just been quiet and NICE lately.:
just testing the waters Mrs B

that's all

honey vs vinegar, and the flies

you know the drill
post #18 of 29
That's all good and well, but who wants FLIES?

I like honey well enough, but I also like tartness sans insects, thank you.
post #19 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonni
That's all good and well, but who wants FLIES?

I like honey well enough, but I also llike tartness sans insects, thank you.
So does that make Gonzo a no pest strip?
post #20 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by volantaddict
So does that make Gonzo a no pest strip?
no, a "no pest strip" is just sticky shyte (fecal style) on paper.

I'm not sticky and I'm not on paper.

dunno about the shyte, some say I'm full of it.
post #21 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzostrike
no, a "no pest strip" is just sticky shyte (fecal style) on paper.

I'm not sticky and I'm not on paper.

dunno about the shyte, some say I'm full of it.
Actually you seem more like a bug zapper.
post #22 of 29
Actually I am new and I disagree with this objection....suggestions from fellows like ssh, wear the fox hat, gonzo and other longtimers that a topic has been discussed recently, I figure they are doing me a favor....why would I find that offensive...it's helped me a few times.....the sticky thread idea is a good one tho...
post #23 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by ssh
Good idea! I'll take a swipe at this over the next few days... Perhaps on the plane home tomorrow night...
In case you haven't seen it, yet, the thread on the gear FAQ is here.
post #24 of 29
Welcome to my world...

You have no idea how many times a day I get
"what should I take for my hayfever"
"what should I take for my cold"
"what should I give my teething baby"
"what should I put on this burn"
"what should I do for this nappy rash"
etc etc etc....

Sometimes I think I should be a taperecorder.... trouble is sometimes it is IMPORTANT that the answer be different.... ie not every asker is the same!

the only way to find out is to start from scratch with each & every one....

Cut people some slack.... some of them don't even know there is a search engine - let alone how to use it.... & bonni is right - it is not very good
post #25 of 29
This is kind of a "double edge swoard" for me.

I'm guilty for my actions or non actions and have been just like many of us here, the so called "oldies"

We've seen many noobies ask questions that have been beat to death, so we don't answer them. We leave it to the other unproven noobies to answer. And, only post when there has been some bad advice given. Why?

Some of it might be that we have lives outside this forum and don't read it everyday. The people who are relatively new to Epicski will no doubt be spending more time so I see most of the answers comming from people with less than 500 posts. Does that mean that the info is wrong? No. So, take that for it's grain of salt.

Telling someone to do a search takes just as long as telling them the answer to their question, DUH!

We as veterans should not be above posting an answer for a newcommer just because we feel it's above us to do that.

We can further the success of Epicski by acting like we only have 100 posts instead of 1000.
post #26 of 29
*SOUNDS TO ME LIKE SOME OF THE OLD F*RTS AROUND HERE THINK THEIR MINDLESS RANTING AND RATTLING HAS GAINED THEM SOME SORT OF 'OWNERSHIP' STATUS*!

...Well Goober, the way I have heard it; 'THAT AIN'T SO!'. ..The time it takes to get a sign-on gives these undereducated newbies full rights equal to any of you ill mannered posers.

Wake up and play by rules that make this forum an interesting place for the new, as well as veterans. ...It is pretty obvious many of the long-term users are digusted with the attitude of some here, and have 'migrated'!

This place is what we ALL make of it, and many don't appreciate continued off-beat attitudes that people on the board find repulsive! ...This ain't no college dorm, and more is expected of those who refuse to 'grow up'.


~
post #27 of 29
Thread Starter 

Why I started this rant:

Quote:
Originally Posted by feallen
Wake up and play by rules that make this forum an interesting place for the new, as well as veterans. ...It is pretty obvious many of the long-term users are digusted with the attitude of some here, and have 'migrated'!
Which is why I started this rant in the first place. Some posters that I consider friends are in that group, and have told me that they will no longer post here. I think that's a darn shame; btw I intend to try to persuade them to come back to epic.

Thanks for the rant room,

Lenny Blake
post #28 of 29
Dude, this topic has SOOOOO been done. Use the search function next time.
post #29 of 29
Just for the record Dog, you are about 80% of what this thread is about!


...Certainly not that I think you to be an unpleasant person, but your sarcasm sometimes comes across as childishly bullying; in a group of people who are obviously able to communicate at more mature levels.

I do hope everyone will take a long hard look at what their comments do for the forum, before they post.

P.S. ~ I also admit to occasional posts of an unpleasant nature.



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