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Poll Results: East Or West (of the Mississippi for some of you picky people)

Poll expired: Mar 4, 2006 This is a multiple choice poll
  • 34% of voters (21)
    East
  • 29% of voters (18)
    West
  • 26% of voters (16)
    Dont care
  • 9% of voters (6)
    Neither, Somewhere foriegn.
61 Total Votes  
post #91 of 158
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Originally Posted by volantaddict
Hmmm...1990 I was a fine arts major at University of Oregon, a hitch-hikin'-tie-dye-making-bead-stringin'-pot-smoking-acid-trippin'-Grateful-Dead-dancin'-hippity-dippity-trippity-freak. Ah, those were the days!
Man you was late to the game, more than twenty years behind the times. Are you sure your not from Pittsburgh? Oh by the why I got some Chubbs that I take on fatty patrol. The steel mill I work for used to make the steel for Volant years back. We may still, I don't know.

I go away for a few days and we got a new kid posting up a storm and stepping on a few toes too so to stay on topic; I hate snow boaerders because they beat me to all the powder in the trees. Belated welcome to Epic, SkiStarr90.
post #92 of 158
Skiers are not the problem, it's the idiots that are on two boards. It only takes a few to give them all a bad name.

I have an idea for a prank I want to pull on the skiers in our ski and snowboard club at the school. I was watching TV for the first time in a while last night and saw this program advertised. It's a program where kids play jokes and spoofs on their parents and teachers.

Each year we take a trip to Okemo and Mt. Snow, this year we are also planning a multi-day trip to Sunday River. Here is my plan, if I can get anyone to go along with it: After the long bus ride that we have to get to the areas mentioned, I'd like to have someone from the area, or at least someone who looks official, board the bus and ask if we have any skiers on the bus. After the parents and teachers raise their hands, I want this person to tell them that the mountain has changed it's policy and only snowboarders are ALLOWED and NO skiers are ALLOWED as of that day. I would like the person to tell them that since they made the trip, the mountain would offer them free snowboard rentals and a lesson at half price. I'd love to get the reaction of the parents and teachers faces on tape.

Folks lets stop the snowboard bashing.
post #93 of 158
Folks lets stop the snowboard bashing.Why? Snowboards as a tool really do a number on the surfaces of eastern ski area. You mentioned Okemo and Mt Snow - fine they can have em.

Snowboarders ruin the lines, they scrape off the surface and they don't even know it. Mad River does not allow boarding for this reason alone. They do not dislike snowboarders. MRG does not have snow making and cannot afford the scraping effect.
post #94 of 158
Don't you mean "let's start the snowboard bashing"?

If I'm ruining the line, you are right, I don't even know it. I think I skid/scrape much less than the average skier.
post #95 of 158
Telerod

OK, I can accept that you are better than most. I respect your skill and dedication to the sport. But, skill and dedication are missing among snowboarders. Even the real good snowboarders scrape.

What I see is snowboarders on groomers - the majority. Few seek the really steep stuff and the good ones go into the woods which is admirable.

Mostly snow boarders are side slipping. It is bad for the surface!
post #96 of 158
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Originally Posted by teachskiljp
Snowboards are not the problem, it's the idiots that are riding some of them. It only takes a few to give them all a bad name.
Yeah, 95% of them give the rest a bad name .
post #97 of 158
The conflict if you will call it between the 2 camps is manners and technique. IMO most are out to have fun and don't know the power of the carve. You see about as many Telemarkers carve as you do Snowboarders. No disrespect intended. As for the other well that's upbringing.
post #98 of 158
Dumbass poll. Nice touch making it public so everyone can see who was tricked!

I'll say it again, if you've never skied/snowboarded in LA, you haven't earned the right to complain about snowboarders. And seeing how most of us don't complain too much, shut yer pieholes!
post #99 of 158
Thread Starter 
I didnt know that it snowed in LA.
post #100 of 158
Crappy skiiers also scrape snow off the surface. People using Spatulas scrape off powder when they slide sideways, so does Eric Pollard on his 130mm waist Line's. Who cares about beginner snowboarders messing up intermediate groomers?
post #101 of 158
gramboh

You are from Calgary. It's not the same in the West. Boarders are tough on the lines and pollish the ice.
post #102 of 158
Paul, eastern trails always were polished ice, even when MRG was the only area to allow snowboarding.
post #103 of 158
I actually don't mind polished ice... In fact, if it were possible to tilt an ice skating rink at 40 degrees and let it run out at about 25 or 30 degrees i think it would be my favorite trail ever... as long as the zamboni came around every night that is. Groomers annoy me when it is cold because they chew up the surface of the snow and make it skiable for the lower level crowd. You then have to wait for snowboarders to scrape all of the granular off the top of the snow before you can set an edge in the real snow/ice underneath.
Okay, that rant is over...
Later
GREG
post #104 of 158
OK, as much as I defend snowboarders and brag about eastern skiers, I'm not suggesting I can ski ice. I just don't think snowboarders are responsible for eastern ice, it isn't any icier than it was before snowboarding.
post #105 of 158
I've met just as many *******, socially-inept, sideslipping skiers as I have snowboarders. I guess you notice what you want to notice...
post #106 of 158
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Originally Posted by paul jones
Mad River does not allow boarding for this reason alone. They do not dislike snowboarders. MRG does not have snow making and cannot afford the scraping effect.
From what I've been told, MRG's original ban on snowboarding was instituted after a particularly nasty run-in Betsy Pratt had with several snowboarders at a local grocery store. The snowboarders were angry, apparently, at MRG's insistence that they stay off the single chair (they were derailing it somehow). It wasn't until after this incident that the mountain-wide ban was adopted.
post #107 of 158
True, but now it's owned by shareholders. I guess they vote on it periodically. Any MRG owners here who can shed some light? I like skier only mountains, less crowded. A mountain that banned alpine skiing would be sweet!
post #108 of 158
Too Fast

That is true in a way, however there is new management and the policy is based on quality of snow. MRG does not dislike snow boarders. They feel that boarders would impact the conditions and affect the lines. I beleive that to be true.

IMO MRG has the best lines in the East. There is a big difference between natural snow and snow making. I guess you could say that natural snow is more fragile than man made snow - there is a lot less of it! Man made snow needs grooming to maintain a quality surface. This means no bumps.
post #109 of 158
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Originally Posted by paul jones
Too Fast

Man made snow needs grooming to maintain a quality surface. This means no bumps.
Ever ski superstar at Killington? White Heat at Sunday River? Some of the best Bump runs in the East...all Man made snow (except for what falls naturally. Conditions have nothing to do with resorts banning snowboarders. At this point the only reason that the four maintain the ban is Niche. they have one, and will say whatever their customers want to hear as to a reason.

Snowboard instruction and general riding skill have reached a point where it is the minority sideslipping a hill. Why must we rehash these arguements every month here on epic. Snowboarders are here. We aren't going anywhere...Deal with it.
post #110 of 158
SirMack carves deep trenches that skiers have trouble negotiating. Talk about ruining the lines!
post #111 of 158
even though I started a thread about NOT constantly telling posters to "do a search", this is the kind of redundancy that makes me want to rip out my hair and scream "DO A SEARCH!!!"

Please, to quote sirmack, give it a rest.

Snowboarders are here to stay. "Can't we all just get along"
post #112 of 158
Thread Starter 
If sirmack would like some good mogul runs that are natural, Try the Starr, Lookout, Goat or Upper antional at STOWE, there are some real mogul runs.
post #113 of 158
Sir Mack:

The runs you have named are not on my list of best bump runs in the East. Look at Superstar - gets groomed. Bear Mt. - half the trail groomed half VW bumps. Great place for boarders.

Mad River does not groome. The skiers are the groomers. If boarders become the groomers the terrain will be not the same.

Lenny, snow boarders may be here to stay but they do have an impact. This discussion is here and now, not in some search. You may not see this as a valid discussion but some do, or they would not participate.
post #114 of 158
If we are going for good bumps...lets get real, and go into the trees at Jay...
post #115 of 158
Thread Starter 
Ha have you ever seen the Goat? if you had, you wouldn't think it was groomed.
post #116 of 158
I have observed snowboarders on a small beginner hill near Toronto. They were sitting on the trail like mushrooms on a disused hiking trail through the forest. The few that were not were sideslipping down the trail.

I have also observed snowboarders on black and double blacks at Talisman and Blue Mountain resorts in Ontario. These snowboarders were carving down the slope just like any good skier. I did notice that the trenches dug by the single short board were deeper than the double trenches dug by a pair of skis, and thus perhaps more damaging to the snow.

Now that areas have "parks", the majority of the sit and watch one boarder take a jump seems to have removed itself from the good runs.

My skiing days are too valuable to waist on boarding, even at half price. I prefer to be facing the direction I'm traveling in than standing sideways to my direction of travel. My kneck was made to look mostly ahead, not sideways. But, to each his own.
post #117 of 158
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Originally Posted by Ghost
I prefer to be facing the direction I'm traveling in than standing sideways to my direction of travel. My kneck was made to look mostly ahead, not sideways. But, to each his own.
Using that logic, quarterbacks, baseball players at the plate, boxers, and other athletes are pure freaks of nature!
post #118 of 158
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Originally Posted by iskitoofast4u
Using that logic, quarterbacks, baseball players at the plate, boxers, and other athletes are pure freaks of nature!
not to mention pitchers, tennis players, golfers, Judo guys (do they have a name?)

standing no an angle is a more natural, balanced and efficient atheletic positioin.

-NBC
post #119 of 158
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Originally Posted by SirMack
not to mention pitchers, tennis players, golfers, Judo guys (do they have a name?)

standing no an angle is a more natural, balanced and efficient atheletic positioin.

-NBC
I will believe that when I see Rossi riding his bike side-saddle. Those folks you mentioned are NOT moving forwards at any apprecialbe speed.
post #120 of 158
But snowboarders are
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