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Atomic: Goodbye beta lobes

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
2006 GS:11s are absent any kind of shape in front of the plate: completely flat across the topskin while the SL:11s still have beta shape. Pics are from my phone, so not the best.



Oddly, the SL:11s seem to have the lobes still for this year.



hmm.... apparently you can't embed images, oh well they're linked.
post #2 of 22
Will the Beta Tube design continue? It's my favorite ski. Your pictues are embeded. Cell phone to Internet cool.
post #3 of 22
This is an evolutionary, not revolutionary difference.

Judging from the pics (little or no Aerospeed), those are FIS skis. They have been metal laminate woodcore skis always, but have at times had foam beta on top for show.
post #4 of 22
Apparently the Aerospeed skin and Beta lobes have little effect on ski preformance. Basically all skis are the same.
post #5 of 22
Aerospeed is something that works in the speed events (DH and some SG, and speed skiing). The use on technical skis is for marketing, but it does resist scratched top sheets.
post #6 of 22
Thread Starter 
oh yeah, I didn't even think of that, but they are completely smooth, no aerospeed dimples. And they're retail.
post #7 of 22
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Originally Posted by Betaracer
Aerospeed is something that works in the speed events (DH and some SG, and speed skiing). The use on technical skis is for marketing, but it does resist scratched top sheets.
I also found the surface to improve grip of the hand when carrying the skis.
post #8 of 22

Oh, c'mon!

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Originally Posted by slider
Apparently the Aerospeed skin and Beta lobes have little effect on ski preformance. Basically all skis are the same.
I have no idea whether you intended this as tongue-in-cheek or not, but this is a silly and misleading statement. And, the lobes certainly do serve a function--but they are not the only way to address the requirement.
post #9 of 22
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Originally Posted by skiingman
Judging from the pics (little or no Aerospeed), those are FIS skis. They have been metal laminate woodcore skis always, but have at times had foam beta on top for show.
I always thought the original Betas, at least 9:28, 10:26 and 10:22, were real beta-constructions and that the metal laminate version appeared later. The Atomic experts here should know. Not that it matters that much now but I don´t like such a recent history being not precise, even if for documentation purposes only.
post #10 of 22
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Originally Posted by ssh
I have no idea whether you intended this as tongue-in-cheek or not, but this is a silly and misleading statement. And, the lobes certainly do serve a function--but they are not the only way to address the requirement.
skiingman said-They have been metal laminate woodcore skis always, but have at times had foam beta on top for show.
post #11 of 22
Quote:
Originally Posted by slider
skiingman said-They have been metal laminate woodcore skis always, but have at times had foam beta on top for show.
...and those statements are incorrect. See:

http://forums.epicski.com/showpost.p...09&postcount=2

from this thread:

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=28183
post #12 of 22
Most of them have been metal laminate woodcore skis.

Note that very few, if any, current skiers are using skis that aren't.

I do know, and it is true, that some of them were true beta skis.
post #13 of 22
In the land of skeptics, precision is important...
post #14 of 22
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Originally Posted by ssh
In the land of skeptics, precision is important...
My nitpicking :
post #15 of 22
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Originally Posted by checkracer
My nitpicking :
Not exactly to what I was referring... (BTW, check your PMs!)
post #16 of 22
I have. Thanks. I´ll answer today, I wanted to think about it.
post #17 of 22
The 2005/06 FIS legal GS skis for the masses have gone to a new profile. The SL still use a Beta profile. SG and DH have always been sandwich. The current GS World Champion used true Beta when he won last winter.
post #18 of 22
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Originally Posted by Proneax
oh yeah, I didn't even think of that, but they are completely smooth, no aerospeed dimples. And they're retail.

I'm not sure if those are retail skis. The Atomic site, http://www.atomicsnow.com/0506/englisch/flash/home.php shows that the GS:11 has both the beta lobes and "aerospeed."
post #19 of 22
Those are definitely not the retail skis.....
post #20 of 22
with a few models sharing essentially the same construction as the retail GS skis, we chose to bring in the race room skis as our retail racing skis for 05-06.
post #21 of 22
I hate to say it... but this has been coming. I was only a matter of time before beta was done away with - especially in GS since GS skis are lending themselves to softer flex and larger radii - more like a speed ski. Atomic would be smart to use their ability to build amazing speed skis and apply it to their GS and SL boards.
Just curious - what is the new profile that is being used. I assume it isnt sandwich like the speed skis since you clearly differentiated between the two...
Later
GREG
post #22 of 22
As I see it Beta construction was a phantastic way to get high torsional stiffness. It has always been the biggest problem of all new shaped skis and the main reason some earlier designs, eg. Snowrider in Austria, did not succeed.

The downside, at least in race skis, seemed to be the flex. While the big guys were strong enough to bend the skis the ladies have always been fighting with stiff Atomic planks. A prominent example was Martina Ertl when she left Volkl and joined Atomic. The early Beta Race 9.28 is said to be the least tolerant and most demanding Beta race ski. The current trend toward soft (at least in GS, cf. the Atomic philosophy with soft shovel and tail) favors sandwich constructions.

Interestingly enough, the flex has never been an issue in non-race skis, already the first Beta 9.38 from 1996 was a nice ski and the 9.18 became a legend. Fact is that the original Beta got some modifications quite early in lower-end skis.

I don´t want to write the Beta off. Regardless of its future it served its purpose and became the heart of some of the best and most fascinating skis in history.

Btw, the principle of a profiled cap filled with some core material is by far not dead. The real cap, say Monocock or Monoblock, should have cut production costs and made skis cheaper (cf. also the Volant story). Afaik, there was some cooperation between Volant and Head resulting in Head´s FMJ, Full Metall Jacket. While Head still uses a variety of jackets (fibre, carbon, titanium, liquidmetal) their new Superframe Technology featuring "a stable outer frame" and "a lightweight core material" "inseparably connected together" almost looks like a new chapter in the old book.
Another story is the fact that Beta is patent pending (Elan knows well from the time they introduced the X-Press arms...). Otherwise there could be others using that principle as well.

I´m sure that Beta will always have its share when remembering the shaped-ski revolution and the resulting changes in ski racing.
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