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Seth, Pocket Rocket, B3, BC, or Gotama?

post #1 of 25
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Hello - I have some decisions to make and was wondering if I could get some advice.

I skied the 1080s this past season and had a freaking blast - jumped off stuff, flew through the bumps, lapped up the pow, and didn't get too scared when bombing down a groomer and the tips flopped about like fish... I am an aggressive skier (5'6'' 150), moving to the mountains this upcoming season to make my ski bum-hood official and want a pair of fatties. Also, I should confess that I am a bump hound. I love a good fall line. But powder is my drug of choice and the steeper the better. And I wouldn't mind a ski that handles air with a secure feeling.

here's what I've heard:

B3's: good ski, but turning radius lacks, nice for AK, but not so great in the trees and tight spaces.

Pocket Rockets: great in pow, tight spaces and bumps, looses a bit holding its own on the ice, longevity a question for heavier, aggressive skiers, too soft

Seth Pistols: slightly soft, nice landing pads, haven't heard much else, would definitely like to though

Scratch BC: ???

Gotama: Ingrid skis 'em. They're huge.

So far, I like the way the Pocket Rockets seem to get good all-around reviews, but might be interested in the Seth Pistols for something a bit more aggressive. I like the versatility of a softer ski and don't want to end up with something that is good in the pow but only a one-trick pony.

Any words are welcome - thanks!
post #2 of 25
I am a bit bigger than u and ski the PR's and love them. I live in the east and head out west at times. I live in Vermont though, which means if there is powder, then I am there. Tight trees are what I am all about and they do it well. For your size and weight the PR's would be great, definately in 175's. The Seth Pistols I think are just what you say, very much like the PR's, meaning lively, but a bit fatter and more agressive. The two rossi's are supposed to be damper and more stable. The Gotamas are more of a pure powder ski. If you indeed move out west and live within striking distance of the mountain, and still have the 1080's I would recomend going with the Gotama's. You have your everyday ski then and your powder ski......

I heard another good fat board that is not too stiff is the Head Mojo's....

btw. I love the PR's as a everyday ski. But would I go fatter, hell yes. I skied over 2 feet at MRG last year and was so excited to get my new(at the time) powder skis out there. I immediately realized there was a fatter ski in my future.

Alfonse
post #3 of 25
Are you talking about last years skis or this years skis? Because the B3's are now skinny and the Seth Pistols don't exist anymore.
post #4 of 25
Thread Starter 
last year's, thanks. I'm hitting the ski sales around town, and thus will be picking up something from 04-05.
post #5 of 25
Where abouts are you skiing?

Personally I'd suggest the Scratch BC. I found it solid in the park (though not so much as the Scratch), great on cut up steeps, and it holds it's own on the groomers and in the bumps. In the trees they were a blast as well, but I'd put them behind the PR. Not quite as nimble feeling. Go short though if you're set on bump skiing. I found them hard to crank around in a hurry.

I can't really comment on the Seth Pistols other than the fact that My name is Seth and that's the only reason I tried them. I did not have a chance to take 'em in powder or through the air so I didn't really get a good feel for them.

Last year's B3 is super soft and floppy... great if you're heli skiing or live in Roger's Pass, but that's aboot it.

I'm not sure what to think about the pocket rocket. I had a lot of fun on it... till I left the trees. On hardpack they were really sketchy at speed, and felt like they were going to fold in half when you tried to carve hard. In the park, they were good but didn't have as much "pop" as I had expected. Satisfactory I guess. Had it not been for all the hype I was hearing I may have liked them more.

I'm pretty sure any ski you bought you'd get used to and eventually like.
post #6 of 25
I've briefly demoed the Scratch BCs and really like them ! Surprisingly competent on-piste, nimble but solid in the pow, stiff enough but still comfortable. A little on the 'heavy side' on thight spots and probably in the air (but I don't ski in snow parks, so take my advice with a grain of salt. I'm not the customer of choice for such skis)). A great ski with a huge reputation where I ski, a kind of 'new 1080'...
From what I've heard, very close to the SPs (great reputation also) that I've never ski. From what I've heard the SPs are probably more flexible and park-oriented ?
post #7 of 25
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Originally Posted by Liquidnails
Where abouts are you skiing?

Personally I'd suggest the Scratch BC. I found it solid in the park (though not so much as the Scratch), great on cut up steeps, and it holds it's own on the groomers and in the bumps. In the trees they were a blast as well, but I'd put them behind the PR. Not quite as nimble feeling. Go short though if you're set on bump skiing. I found them hard to crank around in a hurry.

I can't really comment on the Seth Pistols other than the fact that My name is Seth and that's the only reason I tried them. I did not have a chance to take 'em in powder or through the air so I didn't really get a good feel for them.

Last year's B3 is super soft and floppy... great if you're heli skiing or live in Roger's Pass, but that's aboot it.

I'm not sure what to think about the pocket rocket. I had a lot of fun on it... till I left the trees. On hardpack they were really sketchy at speed, and felt like they were going to fold in half when you tried to carve hard. In the park, they were good but didn't have as much "pop" as I had expected. Satisfactory I guess. Had it not been for all the hype I was hearing I may have liked them more.

I'm pretty sure any ski you bought you'd get used to and eventually like.
Hi, thanks for the info

I'll be skiing Crested Butte this upcoming season. I'm a CO native, so I grew up skiing the I-70 corridor (A-Basin, Mary Jane, Vail and the likes). But I am moving to CB for the goods and to fuel my addiction.

I actually went out and bought a pair of B3s about a month ago, and now tht I am finding out how damp they are, I am sort of re-thinking my decision, especially after my best friend scored a pair of Pocket Rockets. Once we got them in the same room, it was like night and day. The PR was bouncy and alive and the B3 seemed flat and slow... but that's a very subjective opinion as neither of us have skied them yet. But like you said, unless you're heli-skiing every day, the B3 may not be the best ski... I know that I would eventually adapt and have a great time on them (I mean, as long as there are skis attached to me, I'm having a great day), but why not start out with something more suited to what I need, right?

I am definitely drawn to the Seth Pistol (04-05...) and will now check out the Scratch BC too... the PR is tempting as it seems like the first fat ski that a lot of people buy (and due to the fact that I already like how the 1080 skis), but seems like that in the long run I would just want to get a more stable ski anyhow...

I would like something that floats, bounces, and holds well (this is like a therapy session for my ski psyche

thanks again
post #8 of 25
Thread Starter 

to Alfonse

It makes you a great dad! thanks for the info. I am living in the west already, so the Gotamas would not be uncalled for... but I would probably like an everyday ski first. Good to hear the Rossis are more damp, as that is what I want to stay away from. I like the bounce and pop of my 1080s but want somethign more aggressive. So maybe not the PR... the Pistols are looking mighty good! Also, good to hear about the Mojos. Thanks again!
post #9 of 25
I ski the Pistols.
I love them.
Can't quite find the words to say how much I love them...
post #10 of 25
Thread Starter 
REALLY??? I am heavily leaning toward the Pistols. I want to ask for more info, but feel that I could also be content with your "I love them" answer - I feel I could love them too. Any thoughts you could spare would be most welcomed.

Where do you ski? Snowbird?
post #11 of 25
Snowbird, Milton Keynes,... all the major resorts...

I've used them in Snowbird/Alta, Jackson Hole and Big Sky. Haven't used them in Europe yet, but maybe this year.
Off piste, they are great. No. Brilliant.
On piste, it takes a bit of work, but get them on their edges, and they suddenly become speed demons, which can be quite scary for people who know what you're on, and see you hurtling towards them, apparently going too fast, and obviously out-of control. Then you crank them all the way over to the other edges, and go blasting past...
post #12 of 25
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Hmm. I read somewhere else that they are "not good in tight spots." What do you think about that?

I would like something beefier than the Pocket Rocket that combines strength and agility. Can I huck a cliff, billygoat my butt to safety, swish through tight trees, bump through a mogul field, and bolt to the lift without regretting that I bought the Pistols?

thanks Wear the Fox Hat
post #13 of 25
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Originally Posted by blntcss
Hmm. I read somewhere else that they are "not good in tight spots." What do you think about that?

I would like something beefier than the Pocket Rocket that combines strength and agility. Can I huck a cliff, billygoat my butt to safety, swish through tight trees, bump through a mogul field, and bolt to the lift without regretting that I bought the Pistols?

Is a bear catholic?
Does the pope s*** in the woods?
post #14 of 25
Thread Starter 
okay. No.

Thanks. I take it you're saying the Pistols are for bombing pow - but that cannot be it?
post #15 of 25
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Originally Posted by blntcss
okay. No.

Thanks. I take it you're saying the Pistols are for bombing pow - but that cannot be it?

Sorry, I forgot, British humour! What I'm saying is YES YES YES!
post #16 of 25
Thread Starter 
Whew: ya, you can't be that witty...
post #17 of 25
Quote:
I would like something beefier than the Pocket Rocket that combines strength and agility. Can I huck a cliff, billygoat my butt to safety, swish through tight trees, bump through a mogul field, and bolt to the lift...
Yes, me too. That and a free season pass in Val d'Isère. And free drinks.
post #18 of 25
Gotta agree with the Pistols, since you liked the 1080's, especially for your size and ability. I skied the both the Pistols and 1080's for 2 years (had each), so I can say they both had a very playful feel. Another happy medium could be the new Public Enemy (85-mm in the waist), which has always been like a "Seth-lite". Anyhow, my two bits.
post #19 of 25
Blt-

what length did you get in the B3's? Word in the street is that the longer you go, the more solid they are...
post #20 of 25
Thread Starter 
I bought the 168s in the B3s. I know they are a great ski, and I am sure I would eventually love them. And cheers to everyone who owns a pair. I just like a "bouncy" ski (I am sure all of the marketing execs are thrilled with that term). I am not too worried about the B3s being soft, just damp. It appears that I did not do enough homework before threw down the cash.
post #21 of 25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
Gotta agree with the Pistols, since you liked the 1080's, especially for your size and ability. I skied the both the Pistols and 1080's for 2 years (had each), so I can say they both had a very playful feel. Another happy medium could be the new Public Enemy (85-mm in the waist), which has always been like a "Seth-lite". Anyhow, my two bits.
I think I'll pass the "Seth-lite" and head for the real deal I am happy to hear that you liked your Pistols.

Anyone out there NOT like their Pistols?
post #22 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by blntcss
REALLY??? I am heavily leaning toward the Pistols. I want to ask for more info, but feel that I could also be content with your "I love them" answer - I feel I could love them too. Any thoughts you could spare would be most welcomed.

Where do you ski? Snowbird?
Worst ski I have almost ever skiied on! Try some Sugar Daddy's or Pimp Daddy.

the Seth's were way too soft, had floppy tips and got thrown all ovet the place. I skiied them back to back with my Sugars (the older model with the plate)which are extremely stable and completely unfluttered in variable conditions and actually can carve on hardpack. Although they are a bit awkward as you'd expect from a 99mm waisted ski.

I took 1 run on the Seth's and made the guy I was switching with give me my skis back. The Seth was totally unnerving!
post #23 of 25
If you moving to the Butte then you better get the Pistols!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't even F-around looking at other skis. You are in need of a ski that will take you from a 50-55 degree pitch, can launch you off 30-40+ footers into 3 feet of fresh go though tight trees, drop into the half pipe, slide three kinks, a rainbow, and then bomb at mach six on man made the rest of the way into the lift line.....and that is just one run in Paradice Bowl. Plus I think the locals will kick anyone out of town that doesn't own at least one pair of Seth Pistols.

james
post #24 of 25
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jlong1974
If you moving to the Butte then you better get the Pistols!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't even F-around looking at other skis. You are in need of a ski that will take you from a 50-55 degree pitch, can launch you off 30-40+ footers into 3 feet of fresh go though tight trees, drop into the half pipe, slide three kinks, a rainbow, and then bomb at mach six on man made the rest of the way into the lift line.....and that is just one run in Paradice Bowl. Plus I think the locals will kick anyone out of town that doesn't own at least one pair of Seth Pistols.

james
I'm on it
post #25 of 25
I used to ski on 1080s and loved them until I decided they were too soft (and partly because they took a real beating from a season of skiing rocks in Whistler!). Based on WTFHs enthusiasm for his, I demoed some Seth Pistols but didn't really get on with them, to me they felt a bit big, vague and floppy. Got some Volkl Karmas in the sales just in time for the return to Whistler winter in Spring so got to try them out in all sorts and I absolutely love them, none of my other skis have seen snow since!
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