Early MMB's, Critques and Photo Analysis
I'll be editing this post a lot for the next few days so check it regularly if interested I will post the date and time above each edit so it will be easy to follow.
|Ahhhh.... that sounds (and feels) more like the stance I've been cultivating. It seems like such a simple thing, but unrestricted breathing always has been a focal point for me. Must be my years as a music major. Thanks for clarifying. - Alaska Mike
I love self discovery. In my opinion the best coaches don't teach but guide their students to self discovery and eventually to "Total body awareness" and self coaching. AM gets 2 MMB's
for his epiphany.
|I believe the term is to "tuck it in" -- which pulls up the pelvic floor and tightens the abs., reduces injurious exposure to the lower back, and improves skeletal alignment for lower joint health. I feel this as being tight and compact instead of loose and flabby. - NOLO
A good take on the MRST athletic stance. The skeletal alignment when biasing one side or the other allows for great dynamic balance and she is correct, reduces stress on muscles allowing the racer to react quickly and smoothly to the environment, whether in the course or free skiing. 2 MMB's
|As I understand WS there seem to be three main things:
(i) strong engagement of the inside ski called „bias“
(ii) limited hip angulation (HA)
(iii) squared hips, minimum inside ski lead, advancing of the outside ski/hip to maintain the squareness - CheckRacer
These are the manifestations of using the MS core movement. 1 MMB's
, reading on,,,,,
|Thus we have (i) weighted inside ski and (ii) less hip angulation. Both are complementary: you can´t have weight on the inside ski and dramatic HA at the same time. And you can´t have strong counter when on the inside ski. - CheckRacer
Remember, we can move the bias back and forth at will, that is the real advantage of having the CoM/CoG closer to the base. Inclination is a term that is coming back into vogue. Bode inclinates and uses knee flexion (KF) where Hermann, Covili and others use upper/lower body seqmentation and HA. I'll give you 1 MMB's
for this observation.
Comment: We've never maintained that we have something really new. You can find references to many of our ideas back to Witheral and Joubert. What is unique is how what muscles we are concentrating on and the posture we promote in our version of the athletic stance. I've looked at the fun carvers and they seem to be rotation their upper body which we don't employ and of course the hands are nutty and would not relate to ski racing as you astutely pointed out Moving on
|Most of the MSRT features (as I understand them!) are well-known and used in the refined “funcarving“ techniques used in Europe -CheckRacer.
Now check, you know I'm fond of you so never take anything I say as a slam. Funcarving is not WS, they inclinate to the point of banking, over rotate the upper body and there is probably no relationship between our Athletic Stance (Posture) and how we use the torso/pelvis/edges/bias and release. The core movement of WS IS what is unique but since we already can identify it in Bode and now other's skiing its not new. Somebody had to look at what was going on and reverse engineer it so the masses could assimilate these WC moves into their own skiing, even on the most basic level. We are coming from a different angle where the fundamentals of the teaching pyramid is concerned. More importantly we have developed a progression that had proven (data) to cause rapid improvement in a large bandwidth of ski racers. Unlike what (PhsycoKiller999) has said on this forum and others, our fundamental level 1 class produces sound technique and is usable for any level racer. Again, we have data to support our claims. Moving on.
|There´s a series of articles on “MSRT“ (easy, Gary , not used as a terminus technicus) published here in 1994 where “squared“ and “minumum tip lead“ (as well as skiing on both skis) are required. The author was an ex-Czech coach from Australia who tried to modernize the teaching/coaching system here. You´d be surprised to see a picture of him on straight skis AD 1992! (I´ll try to get it from him if he still has it/finds it.)-Check Racer
Yeah the acronym has been around for a while. It usually referes to the Modern Ski Racing Turn. In our case it is the Modern Ski Racing Technique or MSR Team. My wife has a heck of library (being the Ph.D. of the family) and in her volumes of book is the complete history of ski technique manuals going back to 1929. Some of this old dudes had great ideas and some where way, way ahead of their time, if only they knew that parabolics were coming! Look at this picture of Tomba
He looks pretty square to me and if you put parabolics on his feet I'm wondering were ski racing technique would be today? Then came the Austrian explosion with the heavy HA, a stable and strong postion. They were winning, then dominating and everyone copied them. Just like the A-frame of the 80's early 90's, HA became that thing.
I published a little piece on the evolution of the MSRT before Tommy discovered WS and introduced it to me. The read is worth a few laughsTransitions - Examining the evolution of the MSRT
Again, this was written about 1 month before Tommy and I started investigation WS concept.
|We had lots of discussions in the years to follow. He inspired me to include “pushing forward the outside hip in the turn“ into a “Carving User Manual“ I wrote in 1997 (appeared Feb. 1998, there´s even a proof – a copy Stu Campbell got from me in the WC finals 1998). “Advancing“ would probably be a better translation – at least the intent was precisely the same. I´ve been advocating it since though personally I´m not able to perform it desirably in my left turns because of my hip replacement there and its effects.-CheckRacer
WS remains the best way to advance the outside ski, loading it while moving to an inside ski bias, it all just flow together. I can't emphasize enough how radically simply WS is but how deep it goes in developing "Waist skills", its simple but I never said it was easy, unless one understands truly what it feels like. Add in breathing and you've got an incredibly stable technique the enhances dynamic balance and allows for tactical choices that HA or old Knee Ankle angulation (A-Frame) cannot afford the racer. In the sequence of Hermann above he is releasing off his downhill (outside ski) and it take him serveral frames to get done what Bode does in half the distance.
Here's Schlope (Schlopy) in the exact same sequence
as Hermann, see any differences?
|You might also remember my suggestion in an other thread to vizualize the hips as a barbell which can move its outside weight forward and the inside weight up. Again, it´s nothing but a tool enabling the advancing.
What we have never discussed here was the inside mechanism of the advancement including breathing. I was never very happy with the directions requiring unverifiable actions (move your outside hip forward: unless I put my hands on the hips I have no feedback if I did so, if it was sufficient, etc.). I thought that the barbell might be better than just the hip.
Many of you know the movement reinforcement “external cues“ as Harald Harb describes and uses them.-CheckRacer
Yes, that was very good and I believe you already got MMB's for that, right?
|And that´s a problem I have with the muscles triggering the waisteering action. Not because I wouldn´t trust the description offered, and I´m fully aware of the importance of the core. (Even an old fart like me who always did his situps and hyperextension is concentrating more on them this summer - pls don´t tell me there´s the waisteering discussion to blame). But because I´m not sure that the recreational racer can manage to concentrate on some muscle contraction bringing about steering while there are so many other things for him to do.
It may work, I don´t know. The camps must have proved it.- CheckRacer
The million dollar question! Proof. Go read what Donna France said, this is not a solicited testimonial(s)
, nor are any on this page. Yes, we have actual data that Dr. Liz and throw into SPSS. One of these days Harold DeBlanc is going to get a post up based on his experience and POV. He is an Elite Master Racer (2nd at the Master Nationals 2004). Harold does not have a junior background, his focus this coming season is WS! Another gentleman you will find on our testimonial page is Keith McCauley, a very accomplished masters class 7. Keith wouldn't write it if he hadn't worked with me and saw what he learned as beneficial to his ski racing. There are many others that have not spoken up.
BTW, don't believe the propaganda out there that some malevolent souls are spreading. No one, but no one has tested our theories and said they don't work, that is an outright lie. What the insecurity the lies beneath these fabrications is anybody's guess but lies nontheless. The only way anybody can test our theories, concepts, teaching progessions and results it to work with us directly as we are the only ones who know how to teach it - after all, we invented it.
I truly wish there was snow on the ground right now. This coming season is going to be very exciting - for all of us.
So check, I appreciate you efforts here, I'm awarding you another 3 MMB's
for forcing me to clarify some important points.
Good job Check, I appreciate the feedback. I've got to get to Helluvaskier, JASP, RicB and BioWolf, then go back to the begining and start over
Oh yeah, one more thing, UP Racer, the guy who is giving me sh#t in our points thread is my buddy Jamie Close. He loves razzing me and I razz him back. I just confessed his screen name to me tonight - I'll get even, I always do
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