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post #1 of 139
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Hello all,

Here's a little report on what we have going on for the Eastern Academey Weekend. I was hoping to wait until the website was live and taking registrations, but I want to attempt to squash any confusion about this event.

Firts - the dates - December 17th and 18th, 2005. We've moved it back one week so that we can have an extra week of snow (and as those of you who have been here before know, it can SNOW in December), and for more snowmaking.

Second - the location - Stowe Mountain Resort and Stoweflake Resort and Spa. We are going to have the majority of the off-hill activities at the Stoweflake. This will be the base for the event and they have given us a room rate of only $100 per night and that's single or double occupancy ( had to verify that several times because it seemed too good to be true). They are accepting bookings now, just tell them EpicSki on the phone to get the extra special rate. Thier phone number is 802 253-7355.

Third - cost - Yeah, you might want to know that too. The cost this year is $350, $245 for tuition, 2-day lifts are $60, and the dinner will be $45.40. The cost of lifts and dinner is broken out for those with season passes and those who want to purchase dinners for nonparticipating companions. We are setting up PayPal for the full amount only. If you need to deduct or add items, we will need you to pay by check.

Fourth - the coaches - to me thats always been the most important part of any ESA program, no matter where or when it's held, what matters is who is coaching it. Ever since Bennett and I thought of the ETU (that's what it used to be called) on a lift one day in Sugarbush, the coaches here have been sort of my personal dream team. This year with Stu as Dean, we have kept some of the old and added a bit of new. We'll have some locals nad some from as far away as Colorado and California. I'll leave it as a tease for now, and give you some names later. But trust me, you're gonna love it.
post #2 of 139
Erik (epic's "street" name ) has done an outstanding job of putting together a fantastic event that's also a great value. I'm expecting it to be the best ever.

In addition to a great lodging (at a great price) and meeting place and some additions to the coaching staff, the main difference between this event and the first two (when it was called ETU - "Eastern Tune Up") is this: The first two events were sanctioned, supported and assisted by EpicSki Academy. The event this year IS an EpicSki Academy which they call the EpicSki Academy Eastern Weekend.
post #3 of 139
Epic, thanks so much for the information! Now I can pass it on.
post #4 of 139
Will it be cheaper without dinner? I refuse to pay $90.80 for two meals.
post #5 of 139
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The dinner is less expensive than last year, and you won't want to miss it. The reason I have broken out the prices is because we have had instances in the past, and expect to in the future, where participants have a non-skiing spouse who wishes to attend the dinner, or a participant who has a seasons pass and doesn't need tickets. You won't want to miss the dinner. Really.
post #6 of 139
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Originally Posted by Bonni
Will it be cheaper without dinner? I refuse to pay $90.80 for two meals.
For you, old chum - anything! We'll sit with skier_j, and he, Dr. Bigfoot and I will sneak you out a doggy bag! . . . or we'll all chip in and bring you with us.
post #7 of 139
Thanks for rolling out some details. I am glad to be able to begin making plans, but also, need to reiterate Bonni's question regarding the dinner. Although I understand that it will be well worth the price, I will likely be traveling with a non-participating wife and daughter and may not want to spend $135+ for dinner for the evening. So just for clarity: Is tuition+lift ticket, but no dinner for $305 an available option?

Thanks.
post #8 of 139
Dinner is fun! It's worth it.

Where else can you trade stories with cloudpeak about raising teenagers, watch nolo recover from near melt-down because some raffle prizes went missing and listen to WTFH prove he's not from Liverpool?

Really, the program has been a kick every year. If you can swing it, do it. It'll help those non-participating family members understand you better. Now, is that a good thing or a bad thing?
post #9 of 139
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Originally Posted by sno'more
Dinner is fun! It's worth it.

Where else can you trade stories with spindrift's spouse about raising teenagers, watch nolo recover from near melt-down because some raffle prizes went missing and listen to WTFH prove he's not from Liverpool?

Really, the program has been a kick every year. If you can swing it, do it. It'll help those non-participating family members understand you better. Now, is that a good thing or a bad thing?
Again, I have no doubt that dinner will be a wonderful event and well worth the cost. I simply want an answer about whether the cost of dinner is separable from the tuition/tickets or whether it is "a package" and not an optional item. It is not clear from the above posts.
post #10 of 139
[quote=sno'more]

Where else can you trade stories with spindrift's spouse about raising teenagers, watch nolo recover from near melt-down because some raffle prizes went missing and listen to WTFH prove he's not from Liverpool?

QUOTE]

At The Rusty Nail? In my room after? Anywhere you can gather a few folks?

As some of you know, we got married at Stowe last year. We had wings and beers at the Rusty Nail for our wedding reception, with a party in our room after, and we all got together, had fun, heard stories, and DIDN'T spend a fortune. Why this is not a good idea for this 2 day ski camp, but a great way to get married, is a little beyond my comprehension.

I realize that pickins are slim for gathering spots at these places, and that they can rape you for the space by pricing the meals this way. I won't encourage this kind of scalping by attending. Sorry. (BTW, Jeff understands this completely, so I don't speak for him. We are on opposite sides of the fence on this issue). Last year, the meal was going to cost $100 for both of us. This was one, among other, reasons we decided not to go. It's going to be a factor this year for me.

I feel bad for RiDeC58, who has to put out a third of the cost of the whole weekend to have his family with him, or leave them behind.

The question still stands for him.........which sno'more did not answer......can you boink the dinner and just pay the $305? If we end up going, I'll throw the "Cheapskate's dinner" in my room, I'll make lasagna, you bring the wine, and we'll have fun there, too.
post #11 of 139
Is there a discount for people thinking about going to it who might travel a LOOOOONG way? (hint)
post #12 of 139
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Originally Posted by Wear The Fox Hat
Is there a discount for people thinking about going to it who might travel a LOOOOONG way? (hint)
Fox, if you come to the - uh - ESA East Weekend, I'll pay for your dinner and a few drinks to boot.

Bring the Fox to Stowe! Bring the Fox to Stowe!
post #13 of 139
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Originally Posted by oboe
Fox, if you come to the - uh - ESA East Weekend, I'll pay for your dinner and a few drinks to boot.

Bring the Fox to Stowe! Bring the Fox to Stowe!
No need on the dinner, but I'd never refuse a drink...
post #14 of 139
Really Bonni, et al. I just want to make it clear that I have no inflamatory intentions. I am making no value judgements and am not making any comments on the "correct" pricing structure for this event. I will def. attend (schedules permitting) regardless of the "meal plan". My original post was simply meant to point out that this is a significant consideration for some people and the policy simply needs to be clarified.

I have not at this point decided whether I or my family will attend the dinner either way. At this point all things are possible and I am simply asking for clarification regarding the pricing structure.

If the cost is $350 and a meal is "included" so be it. I may or may not attend said meal, I may or may not pay to bring my family, but that is up to me. If the meal is "optional" (ala carte so to speak) then I will likewise decide whether to attend. I will attend the ESA either way and just need to know what my options are. I await clarification from the organizers.
Thanks.
post #15 of 139
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The cost is $350, the dinner is included. The tech presentation will be given during the dinner, and you won't want to miss it. It will be a team effort by Stu Campbell and (drumroll) Mike Rogan of thier articles in SKI magazine. They have promised to answer any and all questions in the most excruciating detail you all can stomach. We've also upped the anto on the video and boot fitting clinic. During the day, each group will ski with the videographer and a master boot tech, who will then review the footage at Stoweflake before dinner. So After skiing, we will all repair to Stoweflake, and while one group is reviewing the video, the others can utilize the spa or Charlie B's Pub. This way we don't have to drive all over the town, and the video is less disruptive of the clinic.
post #16 of 139
Thank you for clarifying. The video sessions sound terrific. Will this be Sat./ Sun or both?
post #17 of 139
What ages / skill levels will this be geared to? I'm more advanced in age than skill, but my question really concerns my daughter. She'll be 15 in December; comfortable but cautious on black terrain and really prefers blues. Typical 1-hour group lessons don't work so well anymore and I think this could be a great way to jump start her season.
post #18 of 139
As with every Epic event, enthusiasm is WAY more important than ability.

The groups are well put together according to observed skills. I would not let skill level be a deciding factor at any of these events.

How the coaches do this is a mystery to me, but at the two events I have been to, it has worked quite flawlessly.

As far as age---I'll defer to Epic to answer that.
post #19 of 139

Age

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Originally Posted by ts01
What ages / skill levels will this be geared to? I'm more advanced in age than skill, but my question really concerns my daughter. She'll be 15 in December; comfortable but cautious on black terrain and really prefers blues. Typical 1-hour group lessons don't work so well anymore and I think this could be a great way to jump start her season.

In the past, this event has not been open to those under 18. If there is any chance of that changing, I would also be quite interested. My daughter will be 13 on 12/29 and would be interested in participating if there were a younger group. I don't know whether there would be enough interest to encourage the organizers to consider expanding the age range, but I have been under the impression that this would create a number of logistical problems which they have not wanted to face in the past. (Organizational, legal and ambiance issues to name just a few...) I have not heard any talk of opening the events up to children, but would love to hear what Epic/others have to say about this question.
post #20 of 139
I have a 13 year old niece that would also like to participate...what a GREAT Christmas present that would be if I could swing it!
post #21 of 139
Hmmm. Mine is 14 now, just turning 15 mid-December, so the age range is pretty close.
post #22 of 139
Was just reading this:
If never considered it sounds like there is quite a demand out there for accommodating Teenage children?
Maybe some preconditions | must have a parent who also participates in the camp?
Above a certain skiing ability
It seems to me that a teenager would fit in and be safe in a class of adults of similar skiing ability.
MTT
post #23 of 139
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MTT
Was just reading this:
If never considered it sounds like there is quite a demand out there for accommodating Teenage children?
It sure does sound that way. I personally spend most of my time coaching kids. In the past though, ESA has not beemn open to those under 18. I do not know what hurdles would have to be cleared in order to do this. I wouldn't expect an answer soon on this, but I for one think it would be a great addition to the academey. On the other hand I can certainly see why ESA would be reluctant to do it.
post #24 of 139
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Originally Posted by RiDeC58
Thank you for clarifying. The video sessions sound terrific. Will this be Sat./ Sun or both?
Saturday. We figure on Sunday it's all about getting home once the lifts close.
post #25 of 139
You know what? I thought about it. I do not want to bring my niece...I go to have FUN, not to babysit! I guess the feelings are probably different for parents, but I have a choice.
post #26 of 139
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post #27 of 139
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Originally Posted by teachskiljp
You know what? I thought about it. I do not want to bring my niece...I go to have FUN, not to babysit! I guess the feelings are probably different for parents, but I have a choice.
Promise not to break yourself this year... please!
post #28 of 139
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Originally Posted by epic
Promise not to break yourself this year... please!
I wasn't "broken" last year, I had pneumonia just before it and that brought on asthma. I was too weak still and should not have attempted to attend.
post #29 of 139
I expect the major issue with accommodating teenagers would be learning styles, which are significantly different from technically-orientated adults. There are always exceptions, but they ARE exceptions.

An alternative could be to book the younger ones into standard lessons although I imagine most teens would be a bit daunted by the idea of doing lessons all day!
post #30 of 139
Just wondering: Last year initial sorting of participants was accomplished with the help of a survey tool circulated prior to the event. This tool was supposed to help group people by ability, aggressiveness, experience, athleticism etc.

To those involved or in the know: Was the tool helpful? Will something similar be used this year? If not, how will the group be divided? Self Selection? Ski-Off? First run with spears and maces--of those left alive, groups sorted by severity of injury?--this is a new approach, Klingon I think.
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