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post #1 of 20
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As we know the poor Kneissl & friends sold Raichle molds about two years ago. There are speculations if K2 comes with the re-born Flexon.
I just found out where some of the non-Flexon molds went.
Check http://www.roxa.com/ski_boot_2005.htm

Do you remember Raichle F-One from 1999/2000 and 2000/2001? They were the race boots of that time and Katja Seizinger used the plug in the last years of her career. (I even saw her use them as late as 2001 after she quit.) I guess Sandra Meissnitzer was also in them when she won the WC overall and two WCS titles in 1999.
The Roxa Mach boots are the former F-ones.
The PRLs are former (01/02) Kneissl Ergos, former Dachstein Ergos.

Now it´s K2´s turn...
post #2 of 20
Well I don't so much remember them as ski in them, though not the F-One Race, I have F-One Revs, which came with thermoflex liners, they're a damn good pair of boots, but they could be a little stiffer. I've never heard of Roxa, but that doesn't mean much. Interesting to see them in other colors (mine are black and pewter).

I don't quite understand the whole Kneissl deal, Raichle still makes hiking/mountaneering boots, (is this under Kneissl?), but Kneissl sold the ski boot molds to Roxa? I'd have thought that keeping that brand name with the boots would behoove who ever did the buying, as they had a good reputation, going all the way back to Stenmark.
post #3 of 20
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Originally Posted by volantaddict
I'd have thought that keeping that brand name with the boots would behoove who ever did the buying, as they had a good reputation, going all the way back to Stenmark.
Wasn't Stenmark a Caber guy?
post #4 of 20
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Originally Posted by tief schnee
Wasn't Stenmark a Caber guy?
Well, I'm pretty sure he skied Raichles, but I'll leave the determination to our expert panel of ski historians.
post #5 of 20
Thread Starter 
Yes, there was also the F-One Rev with or without Thermoflex, F-One Pro, and F-One Team for juniors.

As to Kneissl, I posted on this about a month ago, if you do the search.
Roxa seems to have bought the molds in an auction. I heard that the Kneissl people never knew who acquired the molds.

Roxa may be in some relation to Roces which was an Italian company producing inline skates and also some cheap boots till about 7-8 years ago. (Just a speculation.)
There were many racers in Raichles but not Stenmark. He was a Caber guy. I think that only his last season he was in Salomon boots and with a Salomon binding. Always on Elans.
post #6 of 20
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Originally Posted by checkracer
Yes, there was also the F-One Rev with or without Thermoflex, F-One Pro, and F-One Team for juniors.

As to Kneissl, I posted on this about a month ago, if you do the search.
Roxa seems to have bought the molds in an auction. I heard that the Kneissl people never knew who acquired the molds.

Roxa may be in some relation to Roces which was an Italian company producing inline skates and also some cheap boots till about 7-8 years ago. (Just a speculation.)
There were many racers in Raichles but not Stenmark. He was a Caber guy. I think that only his last season he was in Salomon boots and with a Salomon binding. Always on Elans.
I thought I'd read all your stuff on Kneisl, but I could be wrong, like I was about Stenmark, head's all full of oatmeal I guess. I wonder who I was thinking of in that era?
post #7 of 20
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Originally Posted by volantaddict
I thought I'd read all your stuff on Kneisl, but I could be wrong, like I was about Stenmark, head's all full of oatmeal I guess. I wonder who I was thinking of in that era?
You had, http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=28261

Your post:
"Since you seem to have a handle on things, I wonder about Raichle (I ski in '02 F-One Revs). It doesn't seem they are making ski boots, I ran a web search and all I found was hiking/mountaineering boots."

Now you even have some sort of answer.
post #8 of 20
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Originally Posted by checkracer
You had, http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=28261

Your post:
"Since you seem to have a handle on things, I wonder about Raichle (I ski in '02 F-One Revs). It doesn't seem they are making ski boots, I ran a web search and all I found was hiking/mountaineering boots."

Now you even have some sort of answer.
Yeah, I went back and read what you had written carefully, and this time it registered. It's really cool that you volunteer such knoweledge, it makes summer interesting. Thanks.
post #9 of 20
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Originally Posted by volantaddict
Yeah, I went back and read what you had written carefully, and this time it registered. It's really cool that you volunteer such knoweledge, it makes summer interesting. Thanks.
I second the thanks to Checkracer, he is quite an asset to this community.
post #10 of 20
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Originally Posted by tief schnee
I second the thanks to Checkracer, he is quite an asset to this community.
Checkers rocks!

Raichle only makes hiking boots anymore but the Raichle hard boots for snowboarding are being made by Deeluxe www.deeluxe.com (three models). Burton quit making race boots for snowboard in '02 so Raichle (Deeluxe) is very important.

It's weird though. They must get money from Roxa and Deeluxe to use their designs.
post #11 of 20
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Originally Posted by volantaddict
Well, I'm pretty sure he skied Raichles, but I'll leave the determination to our expert panel of ski historians.
Stenmark was indeed a Caber guy.
post #12 of 20
http://www.ski-and-ski.com/Patrick/Bio/Stenmark.htm

Stenmark was very loyal to his brands, especially Elan & Caber.
post #13 of 20
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Originally Posted by Rio
http://www.ski-and-ski.com/Patrick/Bio/Stenmark.htm

Stenmark was very loyal to his brands, especially Elan & Caber.
And Marker M4-15 Rotomats .
post #14 of 20
Thread Starter 
Stenmark used M4 + FD till about 1982 but at the same time he already had MRR + Compact on some skis, e.g. in the Kitzbuhel downhill 1981.

He definitely was with Salomon bindings during 1988. I´m not so sure about the boots of his last season.
(Reconstruction based on photos in the Stenmark book.)

His brand loayalty is almost a legend (add Cebe goggles and helmets). It´s easy to imagine how many better offers he had from all other ski companies.
One of leading Marker guys (a neighbor of mine here in Prague) once told me about Stenmark´s only gear "sin": he had a contract with another binding company for a season (some unknown brand, maybe a Swedish one) but the binding was not good enough. Officially he was the brand´s racer but in fact he used Markers and always changed skis at the finish.
I have never heard about it except this info. Never published it till today.

And thanks for your kind words about my contribution here. It´s a pleasure to be part of the Epicski community.
post #15 of 20
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Originally Posted by checkracer
Stenmark used M4 + FD till about 1982 but at the same time he already had MRR + Compact on some skis, e.g. in the Kitzbuhel downhill 1981.

He definitely was with Salomon bindings during 1988. I´m not so sure about the boots of his last season.
(Reconstruction based on photos in the Stenmark book.)

His brand loayalty is almost a legend (add Cebe goggles and helmets). It´s easy to imagine how many better offers he had from all other ski companies.
One of leading Marker guys (a neighbor of mine here in Prague) once told me about Stenmark´s only gear "sin": he had a contract with another binding company for a season (some unknown brand, maybe a Swedish one) but the binding was not good enough. Officially he was the brand´s racer but in fact he used Markers and always changed skis at the finish.
I have never heard about it except this info. Never published it till today.

And thanks for your kind words about my contribution here. It´s a pleasure to be part of the Epicski community.
Stenmark was most definatly doing some work with Salomon even into 90-91. I am not sure about the binding aspect but he did work with the early prototypes of their front entry boots.
post #16 of 20
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Isn´t it interesting how many threads get hijacked toward Stenmark whenever his name appears?

IMO it´s a nice proof of his greatness and influence.
post #17 of 20
I think I've uncovered the memory which led me to mistakenly believe Stenmark skied in Raichles, I think a friend of mine in gradeschool told me that (he was a racer so I took him at his word), and it just lurked there in my subconscious for all these years seeming to be a fact because it had never been refuted.

Oh well, as Will Rodgers said: "Everybody's ignorant, only on different subjects." I just wish discovering those subjects didn't make me feel so foolish.
post #18 of 20
Thread Starter 
No, that´s not what I meant. You suggested Stenmark possibly in Raichles, I/we said "no" but he kept appearing in more posts (including mine). That´s the phenomenon I mentioned. No need to feel foolish.

"Everybody's ignorant, only on different subjects." - that´s what I realize very often when finding out what BS often appears about skiing or medicine (my wife´s field, her comments reveal it as well) in media. 99?95?90?% of other topics get probably treated similarly but owing to our ignorance we can´t judge.
Btw, writing "media" I don´t mean Epicski...
post #19 of 20
Raichle=Dalbello? Famous guy, funny hair, old, pushing them.
post #20 of 20
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Originally Posted by fit/fix guy
Raichle=Dalbello? Famous guy, funny hair, old, pushing them.
My hair (what is left of it) is hardly funny.:
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