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post #1 of 12
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I just stumbled across this site. What are your ideas about these videos?


I already have mine. Just want to see what kind of discussion they start.
post #2 of 12
That be some scary chit man.
post #3 of 12
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No movement analysis, no comments on teaching style? Come on Guys, I know its summer but normally someone would tear into this sort of thing.
post #4 of 12
If learners actually picked it up after a simple demonstration like that, what a wonderful world it would be.

These are simple demonstrations of turning techniques that are out of style.

His technique is good for what he is teaching which would be no-no's in most PSIA ski schools.

His athletic stance is the only thing that has not been outdated by ski command central.

I didn't want to watch the putting on your skis video.

post #5 of 12


So what century did this guy pass his L-3 cert.? I truly hope he's not teaching the movements he just demonstrated. Even in his wedge turn I saw upper body rotation and stance width changes, which in the days of the "snowplow turn" may have existed, but since the snowplow turn no longer is needed or exists, it appears he's off the mark right out of the gate.

So T-2 you wanted a viewpoint on the demos, here it is.

Starting with his stance, wedge, and wedge 2 demos. Take a look at what happens to the stance width at his feet from the time he has the skis parallel to the point at which he forms the wedge. Has his stance width changed or remained in keeping with his former "hip width" position as he stated in the "basic stance" video? Looks to me like his stance width continues to change for every movement he makes.

As I recall, the stance relationship of the feet in the wedge position, functionally speaking, shouldn't change in width significantly to alter the development of the movement patterns from a wedge turn to a dynamic parallel turn. Back in the days of the "common threads" this was the primary goal of the skiing model. Today it is encompassed within the body of core concepts.

So now on to the wedge to parallel. This gets a big WOW, from me. Since when did we start teaching our students to lift a ski off the snow to make it match with our other ski? Maybe as we do jump turns on the steeps or converging step turns in narrow chutes, but not in a wedge christie development.

As I recall when PSIA transitioned the change from having a "wedge christie I" and a "wedge christie II", to simply a "wedge christie", its purpose was to eliminate a before the fall line planned movement ie-wedge christie I and after the fall line planned movement ie-wedge christie II, and to simply allow the terrain to dictate the development of the wedge christie and the place at which the skier would "naturally match" the inside ski to the outside ski and "without picking it up off the snow or pulling it in laterally". Instead the ski is to be matched through a steering motion of the inside ski based upon the dynamics developed by the terrain and turn shape.

Oh well, my dogs are saying it's time to hit the sack now. So pass on my regards to the guy in the video and tell him we'll be happy to give him a refresher on the development of the wedge turn basics if he wants to come East to New Hampshire.

Maybe he should watch the video produced by Ellen Post-Foster along with her book, "Skiing and the Art of Carving" where she demonstrates a very precise wedge turn development. He could learn alot from Ellen. She is truly awe inspiring in that book.

whtmt & Mackenzie 911
post #6 of 12
I could see right away I need to work on my putting on skis thingy. I disagree with the basic stand demo/ I would spill my coffee if I put my hands like that.
post #7 of 12
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Thank you whtmt. When I first saw the videos my jaw dropped. I'd hate to see anyone trying to mimic these demos. A visual learner will immediately pick up a passel of inefficient moves; picking up the ski, dropping into the back seat to pressure the tails of the skis to stop, etc, etc.

Now for putting on your skis he should demo the double jump method. The on where you jump straight up, knock the bottoms of your boots with the poles in midair, point your toes into the bindings as you land, and immediately snap the heels into place.

Its got to be mid-summer. These videos would have been blood in the water to the sharks around here during the season. (I mean that in a good way.)
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post #9 of 12
That wedge into parallel thingy would not have passed for a wedge christe when I got my L1.
post #10 of 12
His still image of a balanced position has his CM about 6" behind his first instruction, the "atheletic stance". Ditto his demo of a snowplow stop.

Holy bassackwards balance, Batman! Now I see why people get upset about teaching snowplow turns! "Lean" right to turn left! Definately not something I would advise. The second turn didn't look too bad. BTW. What's with all the wusses? " master the snow plow turn and you will be skiing all the greens"! I mastered the snowplow turn and was skiing blacks the first morning.

That wedge to parallel looks a bit iffy to me. IMHO the transition is way too difficult; there would be too much insecurity, a moment of imbalance if you will, when he moves the inside ski over. Better (again imho) to plant the right foot solidly, and when nicely balanced on (edit not necessarily over) it bring the left ski over while remaining stable without all the acrobatics. However, I'm not certified in ANY school of skiing, so maybe it's a start to the whole unweighting thing to ease edge release for pivot-type turns. Not a very good start, if you ask me.
post #11 of 12

Invite him???

Why doesn't someone email him and invite him to participate here? He might learn something. My guess is that he passed his Level III in the late 80's. His technique hasn't advanced very much. Wow.
post #12 of 12
I posted a thread on this same topic last year. Yeah, the demos are unbelivably crappy. But lets give him a brake. Have you guys ever tryed to make some educational videos and demos? I have been filming and have been filmed for close to 20 years now and the actual footage is almost never the way you intended. In this case the conditions are icy and uneven. I guess they just made first attempts at getting the topics right and never had time to redo them properly. It happens you now.... For proper demos you need professional filmers and skiiers. And guys that work together as a team. On second thaught, its darn funny and Ive amused lots of friends with links to this site.

BTW, there is nothing wrong with teaching a wedge turn and weight shifting is a powerful way to do it. And it carries through all the way to the top level of skiing so there is no fear for having to unlearn weight shifting in the future.
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