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post #1 of 166
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whats the best overall ski, if you had to choose one ski what would it be?
post #2 of 166
Volkl Explosiv
post #3 of 166
Sounds like the start of a bar-fight to me...
post #4 of 166
Best over all skis is
ME MTT
post #5 of 166

Throwing the first chair

Whatever ski is strapped to my feet at any given time.

Okay, poor topic choice. Skis aren't like cars. You can't quantify them into true categories based on performance numbers. The attributes of a single pair of skis is too dynamic to directly compare to every other ski on the market. You can categorize skis into groups, and then chose the model that best suits you, but that is about it. It is your job to determine which group you fall into. (GS, SL, carving, park, back country, freeride/all-mountain, skierX, pipe...) The list goes on, but there are skis that fall into each group. What is the the best all round ski for one person may be horrible for the next guy/girl (gotta be PC).

My weapon of choice is a 165cm race stock Nordica slalom ski bound to bindings running a DIN of 14 and size 6 Nordica Dobermann 150 plug boots, beveled at 3 side .5 base with a 13 depth cross hatch and an 11 depth straight structure. Wanna take a ride? Probably not, but they do run nicely down a 40 degree ice skating rink.

The next person to reply might say that their explosives are the best (like the post above), or maybe their 6*, or an S12, or an RX8, or a B2, or a 666 Fusion, or a 777, or a B3, or a scratch BC, or a Legend, or a SG race ski, or a 9X stock, or a plain 9X, or an RC4 GS, or an RC4 RC, SC, or SL, ...see what I mean? Oops, I forgot the Metrons and Hot Rods - probably the best ticket to skiing nirvana on one board... BUT will they give up in powder? (YES) Will they give up on groomed? (YES) The point being that you will never have a ski that covers both ends of the spectrum perfectly. You might get some middle ground, but you wont get the full performance spectrum.

Prescription: Get lessons so that you can make any ski you're on look like the best ski out there. After all it is YOU that is skiing the mountain NOT the ski. If new skis start coming with a skills set then we'll talk...

Later

GREG
post #6 of 166
Rossi B2 Bandit. A lot of people will agree with this one. It'll carve any radius of turn, go through anything (including powder) easily and pretty stable at speed (depending on the length.) I demo'd a bunch last season and this was the clear winner if you only ski one pair of skis.

Mike M.
post #7 of 166
Exactly, Greg. You're getting oh so wise.
post #8 of 166
My "turning point" ski is the K2 XP. It enabled me to try things I wouldn't try before that and only slightly interfered with my high speed cruising. I admit I can't catch my kid anymore. But I'm more into trying out tougher terrain now.

Unfortunately, I have about 120 days on these things and haven't been able to swing a nice new pair of Recons (the replacement). I waited too long on Ebay and now they aren't even listed.... Waaaaa!

Does anyone have any rules of thumb about how many days on a given ski before you've got to turn them in? I used to say every 100 days, but that was when I was richer and skied fewer days a year. Now it's the other way around and I'm looking to make them last longer!!!
post #9 of 166
I could use the Warren Miller type answer and say "the ones that are on my feet at the time" or I could answer "Best overall ski for..what types of condtions, type of skier or "east or west""?

Past that, the best over all ski I have ever skied are my Metrons. They carve like a slalom ski, so on eastern hardpack they will excel. They float like a powder ski, so if I take them off the trail in the deep stuff they will float. They are quick edge to edge so in the bumps and woods I have no problem changing directions at will. For me they are truely a "one ski quiver".
post #10 of 166
Define "best"!

Are you talking about the most appropriate for the conditions, or the ones to get me down faster than everyone else?

The best skis for me are the ones that put the biggest smile on my face given the conditions.
post #11 of 166
There could be the formulation "if you may own just one pair of skis which would they be" or something like that. The problem is the answers refer mostly to the personality of the skier (his/her preferences, prevailing conditions he skis in, etc.) and not so much to "the best overall ski".
(My answer would be "racestock GS" because I spend most of my skiing time on such skis anyway but of course they are far from being "the best overall".)

Otoh, there could be - and that´s what skierecs7 was probably aiming at - the question which ski, in our opinions, is the most overall or versatile, i.e. which can master most "ski situations" (not a good term but you know what I mean). It´s not uninteresting but the general agreement would probably be some wider all-terrain ski like Metron, Hot Rod, Monster, Legend, ...
... till someone objects: the most versatile ski for the East will always be different than the choice for the West... and there we are again, cf. some of the posts above.

Just an example from "my part of the world": our conditions are like the US east: trails, hard (manmade) snow, no off-piste. The most versatile ski in our conditions is probably some with 70 mm waist like the Supersport. The M B5, no matter how surprisingly good on hardpack it is, is simply too much for our typical skier. I keep emphasizing the trend toward wider skis and try to get people to at least demoing them unprejudiced but I know that we lack the typical conditions such skis shine in and are primarily made for and have to recommend accordingly.
post #12 of 166

Ducking behind the bar on this one........

Hey Phil! I've got your back.
post #13 of 166
For me, the best skis of all time are the Atomic R 11.20, VOlkl G4/AX4 and Volkl Explosiv. Also, I like the 6* for on piste carving.
post #14 of 166

Throwing bottles from behind the bar

Quote:
Originally Posted by Canyons:
For me, the best skis of all time are the Atomic R 11.20, VOlkl G4/AX4 and Volkl Explosiv. Also, I like the 6* for on piste carving.
And there you have it folks. The best SKI of all time.

Later

GREG
post #15 of 166
While, I am flattered that you value my opinion as "gospel", I am sure that others have their favorites. I urge everyone to demo as many skis as possible, so they can find the ski(s) that is/are best for them
post #16 of 166
How about the skis that were on the feet of the best SKIER of all time? (i.e. 1970s & 80s Elan race skis, 205mm for SL and GS).
post #17 of 166
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Bell
How about the skis that were on the feet of the best SKIER of all time? (i.e. 1970s & 80s Elan race skis, 205mm for SL and GS).
A nitpicking correction needed, Martin.
As his coach Hermann Nogler writes, the racer used the same 205 cm skis for SL and GS only till the beginning of 1977 ("... benutzte er dieselben Elan-Ski von 2,05 m Länge für alle Rennen, einschließlich des Riesenslaloms, bis Anfang 1977, und mit ihnen gewann er auch den ersten Gesamt-Weltcup.")
post #18 of 166
Quote:
Originally Posted by skierecs7
whats the best overall ski,
Hasn't been skied... yet... probably never will be. It can always get better!
Quote:
Originally Posted by skierecs7
if you had to choose one ski what would it be?
Today, Atomic Metron:b5. This is qualified by "today", "you" (that is, for me) and "one". Who knows what I'll think after demo days this year? Or by the end of the season? Just for Rusty (love ya, man!), I'm aiming for my biggest demo-marathon, yet.
post #19 of 166
Checkracer, interesting. Then we must list the 210 Elan GS ski as the most perfect ski of all time, because it was used in the "perfect 10 out of 10" GS season of 78/79.
post #20 of 166
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin Bell
Checkracer, interesting. Then we must list the 210 Elan GS ski as the most perfect ski of all time, because it was used in the "perfect 10 out of 10" GS season of 78/79.
Precisely.
"Als er erst einmal nach eingehenden Tests den Unterschied bemerkt hatte, glaubte er an die neuen Ski, und so begann seine unglaubliche Siegesserie in dieser Disziplin."
(His incredible series of victories came only after extensive testing when he realized the difference and started to trust the new skis.)
post #21 of 166
For the East- Head XRC 1100's.
For the West- Metron B5.
post #22 of 166
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mac
For the East- Head XRC 1100's.
For the West- Metron B5.
ya' mean XCR 1100 Chips????
post #23 of 166
K2 Tnc!
post #24 of 166
Metron B5s anywere anytime.

(this one seems to be getting alot of votes)
post #25 of 166
SL:11.12 Racestock. My favorite to date, just based on what I've skied, which isn't much. I don't mind using it in soft snow and struggling a little, I'd rather do that than give up an ounce on hardpack. Just me.

Your 165 nordicas sound good to me heluvaskier!!! The size 6 boots would be a problem though lol. I have a 13.5 foot and a 28 boot.
post #26 of 166
I used to think my PowerKarves were the bomb until I drank the Metron Kool-aid.
post #27 of 166

Throwing tables like frisbees

Pk's were a bomb in their own sort of way... Just think where your next gear switch could take you to Phil. Impressive how equipment changes.
Later
GREG
post #28 of 166
My Line Darksides 165 have done everything I've wanted from them, from 36" powder at Sugarloaf this past year to hard pack groomers, steeps,park and pipe, trees skiing in moderate powder at MRG and also hardpack there , ice bumps or mashed potato snow bumps, I have also hammered the crap out of them and they just won't break, that's why I can't go on Ebay and buy more skis!
post #29 of 166
Unequivocally B5 Metron.

I have tried alot of other skis!
post #30 of 166
The Pocket Rocket.

Of course it isn't -- but it had to be said.
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