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Physical problems when skiing

post #1 of 8
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This is part of a post I made in the Telemark skiing thread of the DCSki.com forums last week. Someone suggested I let this start a new thread on here of which I definately am doing. Thoughts? Comments?

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I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I've had problems when skiing that may related to this discussion.

Going back to the last time I ever skiied which was in 2002, I noticed something really strange that I think comes from the problem of me not exercising ski muscles during the summer. Feel free to correct me on this. Anyway I was at Timberline with friends who skiied on and off, but they weren't more than moderate beginners themselves although they could tackle greens with no problem, but still fell on things like dew drop and such. Well for me personally I had issues being able to stand in the skis without my legs feeling like they wanted to buckle. I had a really embarassing moment in the thunderdraft lift line where I actually fell because my knee areas became shakey and just gave out.

With snowboarding this has never once been a problem, but when standing in ski's with the knee's slightly bent, that seems to put some sort of weird non painful stress on and around my knees causing them to get jittery. After several minutes of this I simply can't stand because they just give out. This isn't painful, this isn't anything that hurts in the least. It's just like they tire out and give out.

Is this unique to me or is there something I can do to fix that? I wouldn't mind trying to ski again sometime and definately trying telemark. But until I can figure out what is happening I don't want to put myself in danger or danger others.


post #2 of 8
is this related to the bladder thread?

Gee......i guess my first reaction is when was the last time you had a physical?

If your health is otherwise OK I'd look into a pre-season strength routine.

beware the thunderdraft lift

post #3 of 8
If you've got race boots with a large forward lean, the maybe you should just let the boots hold you up, instead of trying to stand for long periods of time with your knees bent that much. Or you could practice low horse-stance for extended periods throughout the off-season.
post #4 of 8
Ever have any knee injuries?

I experienced something like what you're describing when I was a child-maybe 9 or 10. I skied too close to my father and my ski slid between his safety strap and boot. He went one way, I another and a fairly serious twisting "sprain" resulted for me. I was out for many weeks and when I returned to skiing, the heavy forward lean in my boots (drilled\re-riveted Lange Comps) did bother me. I do remember a shaky\weak feeling in my knee when in the lift line or standing around. The problem eventually went away as my leg (quads) became stronger.

I also played a lot of soccer in my youth and for a few years after the ski injury, if I cut just the right way my leg would buckle without warning and I'd go down.

Ghost's suggestion regarding your boots and stance may be the answer- especially if your knees are "weak" from prior injury.
post #5 of 8
Guys, one other thing bawalker forgets to mention above: he's 6'5" and 225lbs.
post #6 of 8
Since comprex knows Brad and PM'd me about this thread, I thought I would jump in here.

First, Brad, I definitely think that one of your challenges is to make sure that the muscles that support your knees (and, generally, that support your core) are well-exercised. Lisamarie Mercer participates on this site, and a post in the Fitness forum about how to strengthen knee and core should undoubtedly pull a response from her (and she may drop in here to comment).

Personally, I am focusing primarily on body weight exercise, and would suggest that there are some of them that would help you a lot. While there will be some here that will disagree with the following (some perhaps vehemently), I believe that doing some Hindu Squats could help you a lot (see this article for more information on the Royal Court and related exercises).

If you have had injuries that have impacted your knees, that may also be a part of the issue. However, I suspect that the key for you is going to be getting your core and legs strong.

If, as comprex mentioned to me, you were on rental boots, it's really difficult to say how they may have impacted you. With your height, depending on your foot size, the boots may have also contributed by getting you way out of balance. That would make it more difficult to stay standing, and could have contributed to muscle fatigue. We can talk more about this if you'd care to clarify your state of physical fitness, the boots, and foot size.
post #7 of 8
First: visit a PT / sports medicine clinic.
My guess is simple knee instability. The fix is with PT exercises.

Here's some I'm doing:

1) Knee extension (use 2-5 lbs)
2) Straight legged leg raises.
3) Wall Squats (No need to go low. dropping 8" is enough)

As you improve:

4) Step ups (Do not allow toes to pass in front of knees)
5) Squats on Wobble boards
6) Squats on BOSU

And then:

7) Lunges.
8) One legged squats on bosu

And finally,

9) Two legged hops (front to back/side to side/diagonally)
10) One legged hops...

As stability improves, your ability to stick the landings on one legged hops should improve.

You should never experience knee pain doing this.
post #8 of 8
Do you have the same problem when actually skiing?

When trying to just "stand" with your knees bent it can be a little tricky. You're putting a lot of strain on muscles to hold you in an unatural position, and if a muscle is tensed for a long period of time, it will start to shake. Think about what happens when you are doing strength building exercises for skiing - eg. squats etc. I'm guessing your muscles start to shake when you really push yourself.

As Ghost said, I just lean against my boots, let them hold me up!
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