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post #61 of 91
From today's SteepSaver's newletter from Vail Associates:

Big news from Breckenridge! Construction began this week on what will be the highest chairlift in North America, the Imperial Express SuperChair, reaching an elevation of 12,840 feet and transporting skiers and riders to the top of Breckenridge’s renowned Peak 8.
post #62 of 91
I look at this (peak 8) with mixed feelings. On one hand we won't have to do the death march hike to get fresh tracks. On the other are we going to see our secret stashes cut up by 9am with intermediates making moguls out of the powder fields? I guess the truly die hard will have to get up earlier or hike further for untracked pow. I only ski peaks 7 & 8 at Breck cause most of the crowds don't, this is going to change the ski experience there. This ease of access thing is a double edged sword.
post #63 of 91
Who knows what will happen? I look at it as a way to spread more people over more terrain. Could be that it won't make that huge difference, given the altitude, too.
post #64 of 91
That new lift should do the one thing high volume ski areas want. ....It should increase the number of first time destination skiers on the mountain. Those are the people who typically dump the most money into the coffers at large ski areas, and the reputation this lift will build into the Breckenridge PR machine should result in a nice payout.




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post #65 of 91
Never have skied there, so what is it like ontop of Peak 8? And does it get windy up there? Just wondering, cause if the chair is above tree line, chances are it will see many days it will b on windhold. Tress do provide a windbreak,somewhat.
post #66 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by ssh

Construction began this week on what will be the highest chairlift in North America, the Imperial Express SuperChair, reaching an elevation of 12,840 feet
12,840 feet - that's way up there. Are they providing Viagra?
post #67 of 91
or bottled oxygen?
post #68 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by tahoetr
Never have skied there, so what is it like ontop of Peak 8? And does it get windy up there? Just wondering, cause if the chair is above tree line, chances are it will see many days it will b on windhold. Tress do provide a windbreak,somewhat.
The top of the peak is all above treeline and can get quite windy. The top elevation is 12,998ft. To skiers right is a big leeward bowl (Imperial) that often has great powder because of the prevailing winds. About a 40 degree pitch at the very top, rapidly softening to about 35 degrees. The bowl is currently (well, WAS is more accurate) accessed by a boot pack trail that goes up about 850 vert ft. The Lake Cutes are farther over to the skiers right, and are much steeper (>40 degrees).

Personally, I enjoy the hike and the exclusivity and relative uncrowdedness of the area (Peak 7 bowl, too). Not to be snobbish, but the hike up is part of the experience of skiing that terrain- kind of a little bit of in-bounds backcountry to break up the day at the resort (and anyway, I like to hike and climb!). I, for one, am not happy about the lift.
post #69 of 91
Imperial Bowl is actually closer to 25 degrees.

The peak is at 12998, the base, or at least where is starts to flatten out is at about 12340. That is 658 vert over .28 miles, or 1478 feet, which gives you an angle of 24 degrees. It's a little steeper at the top, but only by a few degrees given the concave nature of the bowl.

The lake chutes also measure in at about 36 degrees.
post #70 of 91
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tahoetr
Never have skied there, so what is it like ontop of Peak 8? And does it get windy up there?
All of Breck is windy and in general it's a cold mountain.

I have mixed feelings about the Peak 8 chair as well, mostly because a lot of my friends don't want to see it. Personally I could care less. That terrain almost never justified the hike from the top of the t-bar. The exposure of the bowl meant you have quite variable conditions from top to bottom. So while you might drop in on fresh powder, it could quickly turn to wind-packed crud with a runout of crusty chop.

The real question is what will happen with Peak 7 now. Will it be more accessible and will more people ski it? Will the access gate get moved higher?
post #71 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by Powdr
It's a done deal. View shed once again looses out for corporate greed. Timing is such that it will be a stretch to get it in this year, esp. if there is an early winter.

Powdr
Actually, I heard today that TC's Dreamcatcher is not a done deal as there isn't enough time to complete the lift before the winter season - I haven't seen a media story on this yet, but have heard the same thing from two different people here in town. I guess the new Sultan chair at DV will be the only new lift in the PC area this season.
post #72 of 91
Yeah, when I said 'done deal' I meant permits and such. Timing to put in the lift is another story. As for Sultan being the only project in town this year, I see a lot of action up on PCMR's Spiro project right now. Some of my sources at PCMR said earlier that the lift would go in next year, but I have seen transits & surveying up there, which usually only happen during the season that they install, as any staking gets moved or corrupted during the winter snow months. It is however, getting late to be putting in anything else this season.

Powdr
post #73 of 91
Gotcha. Regarding Sprio, the lift will be installed this fall, but due to the runs/snowmaking and project development going on, the lift will definitely not operate until at least the 06-07 season.
post #74 of 91
Thread Starter 
Just saw something about Breck's Peak 8 chair - it'll be the highest in the world:

"Work Begins On World’s Highest Chairlift – Breckenridge, CO. has begun construction of its new Peak 8 summit lift, the Imperial Express. The high-speed quad will be the highest chairlift in the world, reaching an elevation of 12,840 feet. The new lift will also mean North America overtakes Europe in terms of highest ski lift by just over 40 feet. Currently Zermatt in Switzerland’s highest surface lifts reaches 12,792 feet. "
post #75 of 91
Does anyone know anything about the new triple at Windham in NY?

http://www.windhammountain.com/html/...p_up.php?i=172
post #76 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by sphrrt
Gotcha. Regarding Sprio, the lift will be installed this fall, but due to the runs/snowmaking and project development going on, the lift will definitely not operate until at least the 06-07 season.
what is Sprio? Not familiar with that area at all.
post #77 of 91
Ant:

Spiro is the area on the right looking up from town, past the Eagle (Olympic) runs. It was the area that the old mine train from the 60's picked up skiers and shuttled them through the Spiro mine tunnel to an elevator shaft, which rose up to where the Thaynes chair now starts. If you look closely, the old ski run still exists down to the mine train pick up area. A Real Estate company is now developing the old derelict buildings into art studios & condos and is putting a lift (white line on linked image) to access PCMR. Sundance is rumored to be moving their corporate headquarters to there. I am not pleased with this development, since this is one of my prime BC routes in the winter and the best uphill access to the upper Mt. Bike trails in the summer. Incidently, the old Spiro tunnel now supplies about 1/3 of the water to Park City, as it is tapped deep into the aquifer that lies under the ski area.



Powdr
post #78 of 91
thanks! good link.
post #79 of 91
Quote:
Originally Posted by sphrrt
Actually, I heard today that TC's Dreamcatcher is not a done deal as there isn't enough time to complete the lift before the winter season - I haven't seen a media story on this yet, but have heard the same thing from two different people here in town. I guess the new Sultan chair at DV will be the only new lift in the PC area this season.
This weekend, I spoke with some people up at The Canyons. It should only take about 5-6 weeks to install the new lift. Currently, the only problem (or delay) is with The Colony. They are trying to figure out a way to get the necessary heavy equipment up to the site. There may be a problem with the weight capacity on some of the roads in The Colony development. If anyone finds out add'l. info., please post.
post #80 of 91
so does anyone know if this lift at breckenridge is going to be ready for this season coming?
post #81 of 91
I think Breck's website has it opening on January 6.
post #82 of 91
sweet. thanks for that
post #83 of 91
PC Chamber has released their winter brochure that shows and interesting map of The Canyons with the Dreamcatcher lift in place. I look up at that area on the way from work every week day and see absolutely no activity, tree cutting or otherwise to suggest this is going to happen this year, however.


post #84 of 91
Thanks for the link.What kind of terrain will that serve, if it gets built? I think I am disappointed- I was thinking the lift was up to the ridge above Daybreak.

Why bother with another low elevation lift, when the snow up high keeps so much better?
post #85 of 91
Well, in fairness to The Canyons, it will top out at about 9,200 feet, which is pretty much square in the sweet spot for good conditions along the Crest. Location wise, it could do to be tucked further back along the spine of the Crest to get optimal conditions, but the elevation won't be a problem. One thing I do wonder about however, is that all the terrain is steep forrested terrain and the county is leery about the viewshed, so they will allow only minimal cuts for runs. That means thick spruce and some cottonwoods, but not alot of open type skiing.

Powdr
post #86 of 91
Everyone around The Canyons has been very quiet about the Dreamcatcher lift. Have you noticed any movement? Have you heard any add'l. info.?
post #87 of 91
Not anything. No construction equipment, no lift parts in the parking lot, no tree cutting. Nothing. Looks WAY too late to put in a lift now.

Powdr
post #88 of 91
Wasn't the Dreamcatcher lift finally approved this summer? It's interesting that they jumped the gun and placed it on a brochure.
post #89 of 91

Kirkwood completes Timber Creek Express

I was out at Kirkwood a couple weeks ago and noticed they completed the replacement of the beginner area lift #7 with a high speed quad (Timber Creek Express). Its a small start to the major projects that will happen over the next several years. http://www.kirkwood.com/summer/tcexpress.html
post #90 of 91
Here's a link to a map of the planned on-mountain improvements at Snowmass over the next couple of years: http://www.aspensnowmass.com/snowmas...ain_improv.cfm

It is interesting to see that they are planning on putting in a Quad near Long Shot on Burnt Mountain.
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