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Looking for a shell under $100. Which w/b system is better?

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
I'm on a tight budget and looking for a shell for a variety of uses (both skiing and non-skiing). Any recommendations?

These three look interesting. Of the following waterproof/breatheable systems, which is best?

1. Gore-tex. The original: http://www.llbean.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?categoryId=33847&storeId=1&catalog Id=1&langId=-1&parentCategory=3533&cat4=1009&shop_method=pp&fea t=ln

2. Marmot Precip double coating: http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/st...uctId=39172972

3. Campmor's Camp-Tech® microporous laminate and Teflon® DWR finish: http://www.campmor.com/webapp/wcs/st...uctId=39160795

Do the coatings last as long as the membranes/laminates?

Any thoughts on these, or recommendations for others under $100?
post #2 of 18
I have the precip jacket and I can tell you that it will have a hard time lasting a season of skiing. Its a good Spring hiking/ around the town jacket but the material is too thin to hold up to carrying skis, chairlifts, poles, trees etc.

You're asking for alot looking for under $100.
What size and what are you looking to use this for. sierratradingpost has some jackets that are a decent deal if you are the right size. The Marmot Gravity jacket is a burly softshell for $80 or so and it is useful 80% of the time, short of a downpour... but not many of us ski in those conditions...
post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks, RJP. I should probably clarify my original post. This jacket would see occasional skiing use, but only in warmer temps. I have an insulated Obermeyer w/b jacket that I like for the more common New England colder temps. The shell would see a lot of use for biking, hiking, around town, etc. Particularly for biking, breathability is important. And it could see occasional use in a downpour.

It would seem to me that membranes/laminates should be more durable than coatings. Is that correct?

Also, STP has several jackets in my price range, but I don't know much about them. They include Lowe, Moonstone and Luna Pier. (Unfortunately, they don't have my size--medium-- in the Marmot Gravity.)
post #4 of 18
Thread Starter 
Another option: http://www.eddiebauer.com/eb/product.asp?product_id=27442&nv=2|21472|16&lview=& cm_cg=C16&tid=&c=&sc=&lp=v1i001

Anyone know anything about Eddie Bauer's WeatherEdge laminate?
post #5 of 18
Try Eastern Mountain Sports. They have good deals on some decent stuff. Also, LL Bean has some clearance pricing from time to time on their website. And even their everyday prices for shells seem to me to be pretty reasonable for the quality of the stuff that you get.
post #6 of 18
If LL Bean has a product that fits your needs. I have always found them to be a reputable company with quality product. There is always a latest (in vogue) company out there, but few are as consistent as LL Bean.

MTT
Everyone should visit the LL Bean store in Freeport @ least 1 time.
post #7 of 18
Both Lowe Alpine and Moonstone are definitely high end- designed by and for alpinists. I would buy either with confidence (more confidence than the Campmor stuff, for sure, and I think they are far better made and designed than the Eddie Bauer stuff.). My previous shell was a Lowe Alpine triple point ceramic and lasted for years, which I replaced with an Arcteryx Alpha SV only because I got such a great deal on it that I couldn't resist. I have had excellent experience with the EMS house brand, too, but I have noticed that their clothing is cut fuller than Arcteryx, TNF, Mountain Hardwear, etc (that may be good for you or not). Their in-house designs are well thought out and made.
post #8 of 18
Campmor house-brand stuff is fragile, made primarily for the low budgeted occasional user. Caveat emptor.
post #9 of 18
I checked around the major sites, (rei, backcountry, moosejaw, paragon etc. ) and if you can deal with a 1/2 zipper (less weight right?), the cloudveil Drizzle Anorak is probably your best bet at $110. Its basically cloudveil's answer to the precip from marmot, but its a bit more bomber.

After I had the precip, i bought an Arcteryx Sirrus Sl, (no longer in production)(Gore Paclite) but I was also eyeing the Cloudveil drizzle jacket. I eventually choose the Arcteryx for their super attention to detail that you do not see on many other products. Cloudveil also ranks high on detail, higher then marmot, EMS, REI, TNF etc.

The drizzle anorak is about as lightweight as a membrane based jacket is going to be. Pitzips and venting pockets will help keep you cool. You are right that the membrane based coats will last longer. As long as you keep them fairly clean with a product like Techwash (nikwax) then they'll last until they have holes in them. The inner coating on my precip was wearing off after 2 years of moderate use. It ended up loosing some of its water resistanse and I often felt clamy inside it.

My vote is for that drizzle anorak. In the whole scheme of things, its a middle of the road weight for what you're looking for. If you want to go as light weight as possible we can keep looking.
post #10 of 18
post #11 of 18
Check out MEC (Mountain Equipment Co-op).

www.mec.ca

I have found that their stuff is the very best in quality without the flashy name brand. Feel safe that you are buying quality without spending for the name. Or at least that's my opinion.

Might I add, I dont really find the majority of their stuff very esthetically pleasing, in general. (if you look you may find different, and some models are much better than others). But I'll tell you, it works better than any pretty crap I've bought.
post #12 of 18
I saw a Lowe Alpine at Sierra Traders for $149. It would have looked good on me!

Retail was $440.

Just went to find the item no. and it appears my wife has thrown out the catalog. She gets nervous when anything like that comes in the mail. I have a shopping disorder.
post #13 of 18
42755 in (40). That's the one I like from Lowe Alpine at Sierra.
post #14 of 18
Thread Starter 
just returned from travels...thanks for all the great info., folks! the options look great. I think I'd prefer a full zipper. otherwise, the Cloudveil anorak would be good.

perhaps the Moonstone Nemesis fits the bill. I think it has Goretex PacLite (according to the Moonstone website). Is the PacLite a good membrane?

I did manage to pick up a w/b jacket at an Eddie Bauer outlet over the weekend (I took in my old one that had torn and traded it in for the new one, paying a small amount for the difference). But I can return it ($80). Is the Moonstone $30 better (with shipping) than an Eddie Bauer WeatherEdge jacket? I suspect it is.
post #15 of 18
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Originally Posted by skidiver
perhaps the Moonstone Nemesis fits the bill. I think it has Goretex PacLite (according to the Moonstone website). Is the PacLite a good membrane?

I did manage to pick up a w/b jacket at an Eddie Bauer outlet over the weekend (I took in my old one that had torn and traded it in for the new one, paying a small amount for the difference). But I can return it ($80). Is the Moonstone $30 better (with shipping) than an Eddie Bauer WeatherEdge jacket? I suspect it is.
I suspect the Moonstone jacket is far superior. Paclite is a very lightweight and compactable gortex membrane. It is not quite as durable as regular goretex or goretex xcr, but performance is about the same- it was designed originally for alpine-style mountaineering where every gram counts. If you take good care of it it should work really well, and will save some weight over regular goretex. Take a look at the goretex website.
post #16 of 18
Thread Starter 
thanks, dp. I think I'll give the Nemesis a whirl. the light weight sounds good, and it's got the STP guarantee.

even in the offseason, you guys are the best resource out there. thanks for all the advice, links, etc.!
post #17 of 18
I have a jacket with the paclite and it works very well. Very h2O proof as expected with Gore-Tex and decent breathability. You can't go wrong with that. I didn't look at your jacket, just check that the zippers and vents closures are well-made.
post #18 of 18
Thread Starter 
FYI, everyone, until July 24 (tomorrow) Sierra Trading Post is having a 10% off sale on lots of winter gear, and an email promotion for free shipping (that was worth an extra $9.50 at STP's shipping rates for my order). (They also may have an additional 5% off first-time orders if you've never ordered before from them, but I'm not sure if that's still going.)

I'm waiting on my Moonstone Nemesis now. After discounts, free shipping, etc., it's coming in just under my budget of $100, shipped. Hope I like it ;-)
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