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Fischer 2005-2006 International Site Up

post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
The international site is up now:

english version:
http://www.fischer-ski.com/en/

main page:
http://www.fischer-ski.com/start.php

Not all models are on there that will be in the US but they have some good pics.
post #2 of 25
Thanks for update!!
post #3 of 25
Ditto!
post #4 of 25
Thanks. I love looking at new gear. At the same time, I'm again amazed at just how uninformative and clumsy product sites are. Any ski shop webpage (e.g., SkiDepot) gives more information in an easier to use format. I don't think any of the manufacturers have good sites.
post #5 of 25
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Originally Posted by youngsman
At the same time, I'm again amazed at just how uninformative and clumsy product sites are... I don't think any of the manufacturers have good sites.
I understand that a public website is (i) a source of information and (ii) a marketing tool. I don´t understand why - with the unlimited capacity of web space - there are no further links with more info for those who need/want it.

I understand that a printed catalog is not for individual customers but a source of info for reps, retailers, shops, and the like. I don´t understand why they mostly contain the same marketing blabla we are given on the websites (sure, the same text, lower costs...). And I try to understand that the technical handbooks which used to offer more inside info mostly disappeared (the costs again...). Is it easier and less expensive to organize a demo for the reps and give them the details in person? Hardly so.
There are also CDs. I´m not aware that those I saw contained more than the well-known text of the catalog and/or website.

I am supposed to deliver some insider info on the new gear. As long as I used to be given the handbooks it was much easier to write more than some paraphrase of the manufacturers texts. Nowadays, there is less and less relevant info and no handbooks. I can´t demo all skis available and even if I theoretically would, you can´t base your comments on your brief test ride only. Some technical info is essential. Etc.

Less info means higher risk of wrong choices and of unsatisfied skiers.

Could any of the NZ Bears enlighten me/us on the meaning of those Maori-inspired names of Fischer freeride line?
Prohete - Watea - Atua - Kehua - Rangi - Maunga?
Thanks!
post #6 of 25
No tip-waist-tail dimensions - not good.
post #7 of 25
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Originally Posted by checkracer
I understand that a public website is (i) a source of information and (ii) a marketing tool. I don´t understand why - with the unlimited capacity of web space - there are no further links with more info for those who need/want it.

I understand that a printed catalog is not for individual customers but a source of info for reps, retailers, shops, and the like. I don´t understand why they mostly contain the same marketing blabla we are given on the websites (sure, the same text, lower costs...). And I try to understand that the technical handbooks which used to offer more inside info mostly disappeared (the costs again...). Is it easier and less expensive to organize a demo for the reps and give them the details in person? Hardly so.
There are also CDs. I´m not aware that those I saw contained more than the well-known text of the catalog and/or website.

I am supposed to deliver some insider info on the new gear. As long as I used to be given the handbooks it was much easier to write more than some paraphrase of the manufacturers texts. Nowadays, there is less and less relevant info and no handbooks. I can´t demo all skis available and even if I theoretically would, you can´t base your comments on your brief test ride only. Some technical info is essential. Etc.

Less info means higher risk of wrong choices and of unsatisfied skiers.

Could any of the NZ Bears enlighten me/us on the meaning of those Maori-inspired names of Fischer freeride line?
Prohete - Watea - Atua - Kehua - Rangi - Maunga?
Thanks!
It is bizzarre to me that some manufacturers' websites are so lacking in what interests the very people who are most likely visit such sites, namely those who have a pronounced curiosity in ski equipment. It is as if it hasn't occured to manufacturers that the more complete the information on their product is, the more intrest the ski tech heads will have, and the more they will talk about these products to others.

I remember as a kid in the '70s, I would pour over the very informative brochures. It made me want the products all the more.
post #8 of 25
Exactly, right now i love Atomic because i've been looking at there 05\06 line up for 2 weeks.
post #9 of 25
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Originally Posted by oboe
No tip-waist-tail dimensions - not good.
It's buried but it's there -- not on the page with all skis in a given line, but if you click on each ski, the dimensions are given. Not useful to have it hidden like that.
post #10 of 25
Thanks, TS. No, burying it is not smart.
post #11 of 25
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Stopped by the Fischer Race Center at Goverment Camp during the July 4th weekend to see next year's goodies. If you are in the area it's worth stopping by. Fischer's 3-D like "black B-Magic" design graphics on their RX and AMC models is more striking that the website photos can convey. A lot of the racers on the mountain that weekend seemed to be skiing on next season's Fischer, Rossignol, Dynastar and Elan SL and GS race models. Fischer has a pretty big demo center set up which might explain why so many of their skis are on the mountain.

Atomic, Dynastar, Elan, Nordica, Rossignol, Salomon and Volkl also have their summer demo center's set up in Government Camp. The Race Place, Reliable Racing and the Race Werks have summer shops there as well with a lot of good deals on soft goods and tuning supplies.
post #12 of 25
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Originally Posted by ts01
It's buried but it's there -- not on the page with all skis in a given line, but if you click on each ski, the dimensions are given. Not useful to have it hidden like that.
The same happens if you click on the "more" (at least in the German version I inspected).
I would not blame them for THAT: the "more" seems pretty clear to me.
Otoh, a hint "click on the ski to get more info" would be appropriate.
post #13 of 25
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Originally Posted by volantaddict
It is bizzarre to me that some manufacturers' websites are so lacking in what interests the very people who are most likely visit such sites, namely those who have a pronounced curiosity in ski equipment. It is as if it hasn't occured to manufacturers that the more complete the information on their product is, the more intrest the ski tech heads will have, and the more they will talk about these products to others.

I remember as a kid in the '70s, I would pour over the very informative brochures. It made me want the products all the more.
Ski web sites are among the worst on the 'net in this technology consultant's opinion. Slow to load, weak in content, difficult to navigate... And I do this for a living!

As for the Fischer skis, where are the expected hyper-carve skis? I thought they were going to be in the AMC line, but I don't see them there...
post #14 of 25
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Originally Posted by youngsman
Thanks. I love looking at new gear. At the same time, I'm again amazed at just how uninformative and clumsy product sites are. Any ski shop webpage (e.g., SkiDepot) gives more information in an easier to use format. I don't think any of the manufacturers have good sites.
I'd love to be introduced to some of the product marketing folks for major manufacturers. It's not that tough to make the sites work really well...
post #15 of 25
It's not just the web sites -- but it seems to me that most if not all consumer-oriented ski marketing and advertising is gibberish. Unlike bikes, which are even more complicated but you can easily find frame materials, geometry, weight, components, etc. pretty easily, the ski stuff is just garbage. Honestly, what does it tell me about Volant skis that a bunch of stiff looking models are playing pool with a pair of Volants in the background. Just an example. I can't think of a single ski ad in consumer mags at least that provides useful info - sidecut, stiffness, intended users, etc. Its' all image and gimmicks. The web sites just make it worse, by adding flash animation and the like.

Rant over. I guess that's why we have this site - and Peter Keelty's.
post #16 of 25
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Originally Posted by ssh
As for the Fischer skis, where are the expected hyper-carve skis? I thought they were going to be in the AMC line, but I don't see them there...
As with the Elan Magfires, look at the second from top
AMC 79: 116/79/104
AMC 76: 120/76/106
Magfire12:116/76/102
Magfire10:125/75/109

Are they being cagey or smart here?
post #17 of 25
The MagFire 10 is close to a Metron, but the AMC 76 isn't in my book. However, I can only speculate until I get on them this fall!
post #18 of 25
ts01, I'm with you. It loses customers, though! Think about it... Would you rather look at their crap or read a few reviews from real skiers?
post #19 of 25
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Originally Posted by Lostboy
Fischer's 3-D like "black B-Magic" design graphics on their RX and AMC models is more striking that the website photos can convey.
I had a chance to check out the Fischer AMC 76 & 79 this weekend at the big ski sales in Denver and that is one very cool looking top sheet technology. You weren't kidding about how photos can't possibly convey what they look like in person. It'll be interesting to hear more about how they ride when the season kicks off.
post #20 of 25
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Originally Posted by Noodler
I had a chance to check out the Fischer AMC 76 & 79 this weekend at the big ski sales in Denver and that is one very cool looking top sheet technology. You weren't kidding about how photos can't possibly convey what they look like in person. It'll be interesting to hear more about how they ride when the season kicks off.
The AMC 76 and 79 can be best described as a RX8 and RX9 on steroids for the West Coast. If you've heard about even a couple of the raves about the RX series, then you'll understand how popular the AMC line should be.
post #21 of 25
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Originally Posted by ssh
Ski web sites are among the worst on the 'net in this technology consultant's opinion. Slow to load, weak in content, difficult to navigate... And I do this for a living!
obviously they're done by someone that doesn't expect to actually USE the website.

that's how they look to me too, ssh. just pitiful.
post #22 of 25
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Originally Posted by BakerBoy
The AMC 76 and 79 can be best described as a RX8 and RX9 on steroids for the West Coast. If you've heard about even a couple of the raves about the RX series, then you'll understand how popular the AMC line should be.
are they sandwich vert sidewall, or aircarbon weirdness?
post #23 of 25
Looks like they are the Air Carbon Ti "weirdness". Looking at the cross-section picture they show on the web site doesn't give me a lot of confidence in this construction. Give me lots of wood and metal any day. It looks like Fischer is at the forefront of using space age materials in their construction, but I generally don't like the feel of skis billed as "light and lively". Still I won't cross them of my list for demo days.
post #24 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by Noodler
Looks like they are the Air Carbon Ti "weirdness". Looking at the cross-section picture they show on the web site doesn't give me a lot of confidence in this construction. Give me lots of wood and metal any day. It looks like Fischer is at the forefront of using space age materials in their construction, but I generally don't like the feel of skis billed as "light and lively". Still I won't cross them of my list for demo days.
Hear, hear! Yes indeed, wood and metal! I know what you mean about "light and lively", I tend to like skis that some have called "heavy and dead". (BUT, my skis could stop a bullet!)

Actually, some peculiar presentiment draws me to the AMC 79, but I don't recall seeing Fischers in any of the stores around here, so trying them is unlikely.
post #25 of 25
If you prefer a ski that is "light and lively", and is remarkably agile for a ski of it's width, the AMC 79 & 76 are worth looking at. If you want the traditional construction of wood and vertical sidewalls, most of the new Maori line has this... Freeskiers want different things out of their boards than the market which the AMC is geared towards, hence the construction differences.
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