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post #1 of 42
Thread Starter 
I AM BUMMED!!!

Have some good news and bad news related to my order of these ski's



Your order from PM Gear LLC has been received.

* Identifier: FKNA-STIFF
* Description: Bro Model Skis-STIFF
* Quantity: 1
* Item Price: $550.00
* Item Subtotal: $550.00

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Subtotal: $550.00
Shipping: $20.00
Tax: $0.00
Total: $570.00

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- Purchased by: Michael T Thompson




Shortly after submitting my order, I received a call form Tom? With PMGREAR, he is a very honest straightforward gentleman!! I would highly recommend doing business with this company:



That said, he had some bad news for me.

1.The ski would not be available until late September. The reason for this was due to issues with the previous manufacturer. The skis are no longer being manufactured in the USA in RenoNV.

2.They will be manufactured in Canada using the same materials, suppliers.

3.I was offered a refund; I took him up on his generous offer.



The skis are really an unknown quantity as compared to other major ski
Manufacturers.

This was to be my first (FAT) big mountain ski. The fact that they were made here, were very competitively priced and were a bit exotic was the major factor in my decision to go with the BRO MODEL.

So now i have to pour over reviews / look @ what is available from last year and buy my first pair of FAT Ski's.
I want a BIG FAT STIFF // Big mountain ski that rips crud/ Floats DEEP POW/ Stable @ VERY HIGH SPEED on groomed /

Length right around 190 Waist in upper 90's range / Turn radius 28 to 34M

Something that not everyone else is on??



MTT
post #2 of 42
If price is not a factor. Stockli's?
post #3 of 42
well I know they're more money, but you might want to look at Igneous http://www.igneousskis.com/ or DB skis (Drake Boinoy) http://www.dbskis.com/page.php

Other options, where the skis are somewhat exotic and not fully mainstream might be the 4FRNT MSP 187 or VCT (I think, the Vinny Pro, I think 190), the Armada JP vs Julien (which I think is a 190), the Line Prophet 100 (or if you want really big, the Prophet 130, which there are only 100 pairs being produced) which is a 186.
post #4 of 42
Thread Starter 
Slider I looked around real hard for the Storm Rider DP (The Black ones) I have yet lay my eyes on a pair in the greater Tahoe / Reno area!! I have a personal price limit Ski+bindings of 1.000$ I just won't go higher than that!! And if possible I want to support local ski shops.

MTT
post #5 of 42
Thread Starter 
Manus:

Thank you I am looking, (Line) brand skis do peak my interest. I look forward to reading up on the others

MTT
post #6 of 42
M999
post #7 of 42
Why not just wait for them? Would you use them before Nov anyway? The BRO seems to be working up a pretty good reputation. The PM Gear guys seem pretty up front about things. Check out the TGR threads on this year's manufacturing issues/expectations. If you are in the market for that class & size of ski, it seems a good bet. Maybe some of the folks who have gotten & skied them (or make them) can comment?

BTW, I liked the Identifier
post #8 of 42
i'll second holding out for the bro models... what's changed that made you not want them anymore? production moving to canada? You'll be hard pressed to find a ski thats made in the US. A major plus is that you can talk with the guys behind the skis: sluffvertigo etc. on Epic and everyone over on TGR. You can't get better customer service then that.
post #9 of 42
Thread Starter 
I know!!

I like alot about them. Made in Canada does not bother me, Not made here does bother me. (live outside Reno) USA Reno was a factor. Other factor, I want ot take Fat skis with to Portello (Less than 60 day to go) End of Sept just does not get it done. I really want it to work!! I was exited about these Skis but (Home resort same as guys making the Ski was a big deal)

MTT
post #10 of 42
I bought two pairs of bro models last year. The stiffs and the super stiffs. I can't say enough good things about these skis. I had previosly owned the stockli DP's. The Bros were as stable and were just as good at busting through crud and heavy snow. However, what I really like about the bros is how light there are. They are extremely easy to throw around in tight spots and make for a great touring ski as well. I am very happy with my purchase and may end up buying a third pair to mount tele this year.
post #11 of 42
nobis pros? new unmounted 194 PM me...
post #12 of 42
Thread Starter 

Ordered Dynastar Legend Pro

I ended up ordering Dynastar Legend Pro @186 With Look P12Ti
Mounted and delivered to my door for 970$ (OUCH!!)

But my quest for a hypo fat ski is over.

Thank you all for the input, reviews, links. All of it

I think I have made a good choice given the time of year and availability of product.


And on a political note, Acute Geopolitical differences aside, I do not mind giving my hard earned money to a French company for product made in France.

I earn my living working with a Software product called (Genesys) Originally an American Company started by Russians, purchased and now owned by Alcatel (A French Company)

MTT
post #13 of 42
Quote:
Originally Posted by CUtoNYC
I bought two pairs of bro models last year. The stiffs and the super stiffs.
So which one of them would you perfer/recommend?

Me: 5'10'', 175lbs, agressive skier, like crud busting capabilities.

Thanks
post #14 of 42
MTT- It was me you talked to.

We don't beat around the bush when it comes to communicating with our customers - we try to be as upfront as we would want companies to be with us. That's because PM Gear is a bunch of skiers bringing products we design or use to other skiers at prices we'd like to get for ourselves, having had experience as ski gear consumers. The same goes for the rest of our products as it does for the Bro Models. If it isn't a truly impressive or innovative product with style and durability for a truly impressive price, we just can't see carrying it. We laid our souls bare on the internet last year, outlining everything from the original concept for the Bros, to the problems encountered testing and manufacturing it. We like the transparency of opening the door enough to let our customers know what's happening. Mostly because so few companies will do that.
post #15 of 42
Thread Starter 
Sluff Vertigo:
Nice to hear from you. I hope you did not mind my post regarding our interaction on the Bro Models. I still wish they were here (The Skis) leaning against the wall next to my old skinny skis. From everything I read about the Bro Model, and my brief interaction with you. I am sure that both you and the product will be very successful

MTT
post #16 of 42
No problem. We have to work harder because the people we strive to satisfy are the ones hangin out in forums like this. We'd rather be praised for being upfront, helpful, and honest than trying to figure out how to fix a bad customer service situation online after the fact.

Thanks for thinking of us.
post #17 of 42
While your here: is the 188 going to be the only size offered again? I all but pulled the trigger last year, yet @ 140 lbs a ski that big is really too one dimensional for me. I know a ton of folks out there a awiating a 180 ish vesion...not to put ya on the spot

thankx
post #18 of 42
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTT
[color=black]3.I was offered a refund; I took him up on his generous offer.
MTT
Mike, just a bit curious:

What's so "generous" about a merchant offering you a refund, on a product he doesn't have or can't provide???

Or were we being a little facetious? :
post #19 of 42
Quote:
Originally Posted by iriponsnow
While your here: is the 188 going to be the only size offered again? I all but pulled the trigger last year, yet @ 140 lbs a ski that big is really too one dimensional for me. I know a ton of folks out there a awiating a 180 ish vesion...not to put ya on the spot

thankx
We're planning on a 178 or so length and were hoping to get it done for the fall, but it looks like it will be mid-winter so we can get some time on snow with the prototypes. The big Bro was tweaked many times and we expect to do the same before releasing a shorter version. And we are definitely on the spot to make it because we've promised a lot of people we would. Thanks for the supportive post for that length. It makes us work harder to hear you're waiting for it.

xdog1 - You're right. Nothing generous about it, just good business.
post #20 of 42
Thread Starter 
Xdog1

No I did not intend to be facetious. I have nothing but respect for the man, the company and the product.
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MTT
post #21 of 42
SV: girlguide I think will liike a 178cm PM ski. any thoughts on a 188ish but with more shape? either a wider tip/tail or narrower waist. I really dont care which
post #22 of 42
Thread Starter 

Bro Model Ski Porn

I am posting this pulled from another ski Forum.

PMGEAR's Bros are about a year old now. The Bros are now being skied by Maggots all over the world, including in the US, Canada, the UK, Finland, Italy, Russia, Germany, Switzerland, Australia, Argentina, Japan, Poland, New Zealand...just to name a few.

Thanks to everyone's who's sent us pictures of your adventures on Bros. We feel the love, and this one's for you:

Hi-bandwidth: www.pmgearusa.com/bromodel.wmv (2 minutes, 20 megs, streaming).

Low-bandwidth: www.pmgearusa.com/bromodellow.wmv (10 megs, streaming)

Crank up the speakers.
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post #23 of 42
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sluff Vertigo
We're planning on a 178 or so length and were hoping to get it done for the fall, but it looks like it will be mid-winter so we can get some time on snow with the prototypes. The big Bro was tweaked many times and we expect to do the same before releasing a shorter version. And we are definitely on the spot to make it because we've promised a lot of people we would. Thanks for the supportive post for that length. It makes us work harder to hear you're waiting for it.

xdog1 - You're right. Nothing generous about it, just good business.
for skinny guys like me who don't mach it the 178 is going to be perfect. thanks Sluff.
post #24 of 42
Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzostrike
for skinny guys like me who don't mach it the 178 is going to be perfect. thanks Sluff.
but choo hate the pouters?!
post #25 of 42
hate the pouters, love their skis.

I'm a rank hypocrite Matt, I thought we sorted that out on the chair rides at Soli.

heh heh heh.
post #26 of 42
Thread Starter 
Hey MORE Bro model Ski PORN
www.pmgearusa.com/atrain2005.mov
This one is 25M Quicktime file
These are not World class pros but pretty good stuff for August
MTT
post #27 of 42
Did someone say ski porn????

Hi-bandwidth: www.pmgearusa.com/bromodel.wmv (2 minutes, 20 megs, streaming).

Low-bandwidth: www.pmgearusa.com/bromodellow.wmv (10 megs, streaming)


The Bro Model is now available for world consumption. As promised, PM Gear is offering the same price on Bro Models we ended with last season. The ski is 188 cm in length, with a 125-99-114 dimension. As it has been said many times, “The Bros are Pros at half the cost.” Currently in production with a new manufacturer, the skis will ship to customers in October. New production facilities will make sure get the skis out in a timely fashion, constructed to spec by a highly organized manufacturing facility. We are working on a 178 cm Bro Model and hope to make it available by December. The list for this year’s Bro Models is starting to fill up, so order now. To get the special price go to:

http://www.pmgearusa.com/bromodelf.htm
post #28 of 42
Quote:
Originally Posted by PowHog
So which one of them would you perfer/recommend?

Me: 5'10'', 175lbs, agressive skier, like crud busting capabilities.

Thanks
Think I sent you a pm a few weeks back but I think a bunch of people could benefit. At 175lbs I think you will be more than happy with the stiff. I'm just over 200lbs and had a great time on them and enjoy the Supers even more so. By no means was I overpowering the stiffs, but with the limited number of softer days I was getting in colorado I enjoyed the supers to bust through slop and crud. Ideally I would have the stiffs for BC days (the skis are incredibly light considering how burly they are) and the superstiffs for resort days (have them mounted with p18s) Regardless of which you choose I'm sure you will be happy, they are extremely easy to handle considering their size, but stiff enough to blow through conditions that aren't "ideal". I will be using these as my everyday skis on both the east coast and out west this year. And of course as you can imagine with the dimensions deep days are not a problem.
post #29 of 42
Thanks, CU. I'd also like to point out that since we changed from fir to aspen cores, the soft model of Bros is an extremely user-friendly flex that carves like a dream and is as stable on ice and in all other conditions as the stiff and superstiff. I've been skiing them for the last five months and love them, after having started with the superstiff, then the stiff. From shortswing wedeling to haulass straightshots, they're just doing it all.

If anybody wants to know what Bro skiers say about their selection, there are some reviews here:

http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33854

http://tetongravity.com/forums/showt...5&page=1&pp=25

http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=26860
post #30 of 42
Trigger pulled on the stiffies!
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