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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Right now, my quiver includes Volkl 6****** (168), Ax4 (178) and Explosiv (180). Also, I have AllStar (168) and AC4 (184). I have never skied the AC4 or Allstar. Also, although the Explosivs are brand new (still in plastic), I have had Explosivs in my quiver for a long time. I ski Utah (mostly The Canyons). I rarely break out the 6****** (maybe 4-5 days last year). I love my Ax4 and consider them to be my everyday ski (20+ days on them last year). I am wondering whether I should sell my 6* and keep Ac4 or AllStars? Keep the Exploders for those 10 pow days? Keep just the 6*, AX4 and Explosivs? Keep just the 6* and AX4? Keep the AX4 and Explosivs? Let's talk Volkls!!!
post #2 of 21
What would you keep the 6****** for?? I tried them 2 years ago and did not like them on the top end

MTT
post #3 of 21
No matter what you do else - keep the Exploders!
post #4 of 21
I had a pair of Six Stars (168), but ended up trading them for a pair of Superspeeds (174) after I had to send my Six Stars back on warranty. I really didn't like my Six Stars much, because they seemed more like a slalom ski. If anyone has a pair of Superspeeds, please let me know how they worked out for you. I'm having them mounted next week.

Last season, I ended up buying a pair of Explosivs (165) for a trip to Alta and Snowbird. I absolutely love them! They are the most amazing skis on Earth. They are extremely stable and work great in the powder, bumps and crud. The ski is versatile enough to ski almost any condition. I've taken them out on hard pack/refrozen snow, which worked out okay, but not great.

Given that you only used your Six-Stars 4-5 days, I would sell those, keep the AX4 and the Explosivs. I don't know much about the AllStar or the AC4.

Other Volkl skis that I own include:
P30 RC (190)
P30 SL (183)
P20 RS Super (200)
P20 RS (200)
P20 SL (190)
I put my three-year old niece (now four-and-a-half) on Pro Jr. skis
post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 
MTT: I ask myself that question all the time. I would be thinking differently if I was skiing in the eastern USA or Austria/Italy.
Powhog: True. There are no skis that rival the Exploders. I don't really see myself parting with them.
Do you consider Ax4s and Explosivs to be too one dimensional? Right now, I am leaning toward keeping these two for the '05-'06 season.
post #6 of 21
Canyons:

Part of it is that you bought the 6****** short. The AC4 @184?? are gonna be a better ride on the groomers (And bring alot more to the dance) Other than that I have I have no comment.

MTT
post #7 of 21
If you are ditching the 6stars then keep the Allstars. You'll find the same turny slalom feel but with more width and smoother rebound.

The AC4 are supposed to similar to the AX4 but I'd imagine the AC4 is more versitile. They will become your go-to skis.

Keep in order:

Explosv
AC4
Allstar
post #8 of 21
NZskier:

Agreed but why even have alstar if you have AC4 and Explosv. It all the same stuff??
Canyon
If you want some turney SL ski's (Buy Some) you don't own any right now

MTT
post #9 of 21
Oh, no, no, no...if the AC4s are flat you want to
sell them. To me?
I don't know that they would be more versatile
than the AX4s, more inclined to turn maybe.
post #10 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by PowHog
No matter what you do else - keep the Exploders!
+ 1
post #11 of 21
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTT
Canyons:

Part of it is that you bought the 6****** short. The AC4 @184?? are gonna be a better ride on the groomers (And bring alot more to the dance) Other than that I have I have no comment.

MTT
I disagree. The 168cm 6* is the right size for me (5" 11", 185lbs.). It's just that the 6* is not a practical ski for how I ski ( at least 85% of the time) in Utah. I'm not knocking the ski, as it does have its purpose. It just doesn't usually suit mine.
post #12 of 21
I tested them @ Park City Resort (length 182) I was 5'11 200 at the time. I found them not quite there for GS type turns. I could not even imagine what they would have been like @ 168?? So you were looking for a short radius ski when you bought them??
MTT
post #13 of 21
Thread Starter 
They're not a GS-type ski. Medium radius turns, at best. .(13.9m @ 168) Everyone kept telling me that they must be skied short. This is by far the shortest ski that I have ever owned. In addition to the Explosivs, I was coming off a pair of Atomic R:11 (180) and 724 Pro (184). I was advised that the longer version (175 and 182) are not as stable. I skied the 2004 version during a week in St. Anton. I was not in love with them particularly, after6" of freshies. I was offered a pair of 2005 (with the new and improved PCOS?). For some reason, I couldn't pass up the deal.
post #14 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Canyons
Powhog: True. There are no skis that rival the Exploders. I don't really see myself parting with them.
Do you consider Ax4s and Explosivs to be too one dimensional? Right now, I am leaning toward keeping these two for the '05-'06 season.
For groomers only I would not consider the Explosives, but they are definitely not too one-dimensional. They are skiable well everywhere so how much more are you asking for (well, groomer short turns are some work but hey - it's a sport)?
Haven't skied the AX4 so don't feel competent to comment on these, I heard some people who ski them say they lean a bit towards the old G4 but that's third hand info.
post #15 of 21
Canyons, here's my 2CW,

I agree with NZskier: Exposiv, AC4, Allstar.

Use the 180 Exposiv for Pow and crud.

The 184 AC4 skis like a 188 AX4, but softer with a shorter turn radius, and doesn't track as well in the crud. It doesn't ski as short as a 178 AX4. It will ski shorter than the Explosiv. The AC4 should end up being your everyday day, fore it is much more versatile than the AX4 (due to its sidecut and softer overall flex). I have the same ski, along with a 184 Mantra. The Mantra will be my everyday ski, with the AC4 being skied on "high pressure", groomer days.

The 168 Allstar is the correct length for you, as is the 168 6 Star. I'm 5'9", 184 lbs. and that's the length I'd be on. Yes the 6 Star is a slalom ski and should be skied in those lengths. I don't know why Volkl makes anything longer that a 168 in it. IMHO, anyone who is on anything longer than a 168 in the 6 Star, should be on the GS Race or the Superspeed. Anyway, use the Allstar for your "high pressure", groomer days.

Powhog: The G40/G41/G4/AX4 are all the same ski, just a different topskin.

Just for a point of reference, my quiver includes

193 Sanouk
184 Mantra
184 AC4

HB
post #16 of 21
I have 3 year old Volkl T50 5 stars 175 with 120 days on them that I will give my son who only skis 5 days a year. I loved these skis. These were used for North East skiing but I did have them in JH one week. I ended up renting B3s. For out west Utah/Wy I purchased Rossignol B3 178 with Fritschi bindings. I have used the B3s in the northeast in over the knee powder a few days.

Anyway I was looking at a replacement for the 3 year old 5*s northeast ski for steep hard pack bumps, crud, ice, and groomers. You know the typical fun stuff in the northeast. I was going to chose between the Allstars, AC3, or AC4. I read a lot here in the forums and talk to a few reps that demoed them. Last month, I ended up buying a pair of last years 5*s 175 USED about 4 days for $275. Not sure what I am going to do with the 5* but if I don’t use them I know I can find a good home for them.

So what volkl ski do you suggest I do for a northeast ski for CRUD, BUMPs, NE hardpack (aka ice), and groomers when the new snow is below the knee. I was thinking of jumping to the AC4 (170) which could be used no matter how deep the snow is. Then the AC4 probably would not be good in those really tight bumps. So then I was thinking of AC3. Then again the Allstars have another 2 mm width wider . My problem with Volkl is I pretty much have to buy the ski in Sept which means I don’t have a chance to test drive them. Maybe I ski the 5*s I just got for next year and test drive the Allstars, AC3, and AC4 over the winter rather than buy the wrong ski.

Anyway that is my story and I am sticking to it. Any suggestions?
post #17 of 21
Keep them all. Collect skis. Change every day... like you change your clothes... They are all Volkls so they all ski similar... just remember how they ski and use them when you feel the need. Designate a groomer ski, a slush ski, a rock ski, a powder ski (explosiv of course), a fun ski (slower groomer/family day ski), and your "I'm not sure where im going to ski today" ski... I think that covers everything... maybe you need more. I didnt see any race skis in there... Might be time to go shopping.
Later
GREG
post #18 of 21
Why did you buy the 6* and All-Star anyways ? Did you think they would make you a better skier? Sorry.

I just think those skis are to single minded. I sure you will be using the AC4 as your everyday ski.
post #19 of 21
Thread Starter 
I was given the 6*, and I paid 10% below wholesale for the AllStar and AC4 (about $500). It is good to have friends in the right places. How could I turn down either? I don't need any particular ski to make me better. I am way beyond that. Ideally, for my type skiing, I think that I am best suited with the Exploders and the AC4 (which may only be marginally preferable to the AX4s). However, my capitalistic tendency tells me to keep the Exploders and the AX4s, and make a few bucks on the 2006 skis.
post #20 of 21
IMO you'll like the AC4's They were real close to the AC3's on the day I demoed them. One of the two is my pick for ski of the year. A group of us who demoed them thought the same thing.

Your a lucky man to have friends in the right places. Some of my skis cost me a golf membership. I don't play golf.
post #21 of 21
Let's see...you live in UT, which means you don't need skis <80-mm in the waist...so keep either the AX4 or AC4, just not both. Exploders stay...to suggest anything else would be sacrilege! Then get some Sanouks for the UT pow-pow days. Now that's using your money wisely!
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