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post #1 of 13
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The Nordica Dobie 150 race boot instructions are to put on the inner boot first, lace it up and then insert the inner boot (with your foot already in it) into the shell. For those of you who have these boots, how has it worked out for you. Is it a big hassel or is it worth it? What about getting out of the shell during 10 degree weather? Anything else?

Being a Master's racer I'm willing to forfeit some convenience and comfort for a high performance boot. Just curious about any experiences you've had with break-in, entry and exit of the boot.

Thanks for any tips, observations and comments.

post #2 of 13
get the boot fit well w/ the grinds you need

Get a pair of hotronics ; turn the heat on before getting in & out ; helps to warm the plastic ( & your foot) & ease enrty/exit

dont be showing off your badass boots in the parking lot either ; a transpack where the boots can sit inside the bag instead of strapped to the pack will also ease entry

my bear straps her lange plugs to her pack = very cold & exposed plastic

Pullin the liner in/out will really kill the lifespan ; I just leave mine in

Boot needs a ton of work to fit well ; My dobie is a size 5, my street shoes are 9s
best fitting boot ever!
Expect to drink a full coffee in the lodge prior to taking them off ; it takes a while to let em warm up so you can pull your foot out!

Also carry duct tape, the boot leaks a little from the toe dam, but my biggset complant is that the lower shell fails to overlap my wide/fat foot unless buckled down
tape over the lower shell avoids snow/crap in the boot

As long as you're not doing fis where they may care go for the 10 mm lift kit & dig trenches in the snow like it's butter
post #3 of 13

Nordica liner


I don't have the Dobermann but i do have the diablo Race R. The liner in the race r is a lace up flow liner that must be put on first and then inserted into the shell, it has a lycra toe section and a velcro spoiler just like the brand n boot.
I got it last week and i put it on and took it off only inside. All times i put my foot into the liner and then into the shell. When putting them on,the hardest part is when the liner is near the lower, just before it gets into it. I cut the lower to allow it to flex easier because i weight about 165lbs. and i also thought that it would be even easier to put it on. No! It is actually a bit harder.
After you pass this point, the liner slides into the shell. Be careful , because i realised that sometimes the foot is not in the best position in the boot (if you don't position your foot correctly) and you have to slide your foot into the boot again. But with practice this will dissapear.
These liners are fantastic. Perfect wrapping and retention of the foot.

post #4 of 13

Non-N Lace up

I too have a non-Nordica boot with a lace-up liner. I have to say, I love the feel of a lace up liner but I hate the in / out of the liner into the boot. Good news is, you forget what a pain it is after the first turn. If you want, what i believe to be, a fantastic feel in addition to the fit of a properly worked boot; go lace-up.

post #5 of 13
I ski mostly in the dobermann 150 for carving and racing. I use a size 5 i think - might be a 6 but i dont remember exactly. I always remove the liner from the shell to put it on - or i cannot get them on my feet. The boot is worth it if you want a high performance groomer/hardpack/ice/racing boot. If freeriding, bumps, and big air are your forte you may want to look elsewhere. I have been in the boot for 2 seasons, and have adopted a softer free skiing boot so my feet and shins dont take a beating when im out to just enjoy myself. I have also recenty (this past season) played around with removing the top plugs in order to get more leverage in my slalom turns (and shock absorbsion in GS turns). The performance level is worth having to remove the liners to get in and out. If youre worried about wearing out the liners i think that new ones can be reordered rather easily.
post #6 of 13
It´s slightly off-topic but I´d like to know if you find the change from the Dobie into the other boot easy or difficult.
If you start the day in the Dobie and later change into the softer boot - how is the adaptation (or, less typical, vice versa)?
I have never combined two different pairs of boots and can´t imagine how it works.
post #7 of 13
It doesn't hurt as much when I put my Racetech 'H' boots on with my liners on first. Especially when the shells are cold. When the shells are warm (morning), I can slide into the boots with the liners allready in the shell. I too use a different more forgiving boot for free skiing. There is no trouble going betwen one boot and the next. I have changed boots partway through the day without an issue. Lots of skiers can switch between a short modern slalom and a longer GS and adapt withing the first half of the first turn.
post #8 of 13
I will usually only use one boot each day. I dont like to worry about switching halfway through the day, as then you have to worry about one pair of boots being cold - and getting a cold dobermann off or on your feet is no simple task. So i have never switched midway through the day, but im sure i would be able to do it just fine.

I'm sure most of you guys know - but i use the head S12 for free skiing. When on groomers i tend to tighten up the buckles a little more versus when i am skiing off-piste. The boot, although soft, when buckled down well can give a similar feel to a race boot. The lateral stiffness and foreward stiffness are nowhere near that of a plug race boot.


post #9 of 13
Originally Posted by Betaracer
Lots of skiers can switch between a short modern slalom and a longer GS and adapt withing the first half of the first turn.
Sure, no problem. I also tried switching from 210 cm SG to 118 cm shorties or these different lengths at the same time (left and right legs/skis). That´s not uncommon. I just thought boots would be different and more difficult to get adapted to. Maybe it´s not such a big deal.
post #10 of 13
Wait Ivan, you have been using on one leg a 210SG and one 118Sporten carver on the other leg at the same time?

That for me means basically only skiing on one ski at a time, why put a second on one then? --> Though maybe it would be usefull to do first a slalom and then a SG at the same run, having a specialised ski at least. (Looking at some Worldcuppers using having lost one ski, it might be possible that they are faster in DH with one DH ski, over 2 SL skis, or vice versa (and here I am pretty sure that it is so) being faster with 1 SL ski in a Slalom versus wearing 2 DH skis in a slalom)
post #11 of 13
Carry a hairdrier ith you to warm them up for getting on and off. It makes life easier (and avoids some of the pain getting them on and off) with a plug boot
post #12 of 13
@ HeluvaSkier:

@ extremecarver:
Having combined a 210 and a 118 cm ski I wanted to try what the German ladies had been doing 10 years ago: a DH ski + a bigfoot.
Not much fun, though.

A run on long skis immediately followed by short skis (or vice versa) is much better. It´s interesting to have to adapt to unstable shorties or to long boards with 4 times bigger radius.

IMO, to use the skis in gates would be somewhat problematic.
- Trying to run a slalom with DH skis would be silly, as well as doing a DH on blades.
- Trying GS skis in some apropriate slalom could be fun and good training but you can always set a GS very tight.
- Trying SG skis in some appropriate GS would be similar. I also tried to run some GS gates on SG skis. Not bad.
- SL skis in a serious GS (not a Nastar or bear league type) suck. They have too much sidecut, want to turn and to finish the turn too early. You can´t get any decent edge angles because of that. It´s neither fun nor pleasant.
(I have my experience: in a seminar for coaches we were promised to just ski free, watch some kids during training and discuss the course setting. Unfortunately, they decided to let us run a few GS gates then and had us even on video. No GS technique possible, hence no good.)

Any similar or different experience and/or opinion?

@ ScotsSkier
I have my hairdryer and even a hot air gun. It has even been mentioned in a thread this winter.
post #13 of 13
Having posted Nr. 12 I realized that the thread is or at least should be about lace-up Dobie liners.
Sorry to have been that much off-topic.
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