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post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
A new entry in the auto sports world? Two nitwits go out and see how much rubber they can smoke. They are "scored" on the smoke generated in a turn and how out of shape they can get. They shred a set of tires in a few "laps".

This is like the tai-chi skiing thread. The guy who drives least efficiently wins? Now that makes a whole lotta sense?

They posture their sorry asses against the "grippers" (guys who can really race). as a counter culture statement?
post #2 of 18
I was hoping you hadn't taken this "sport?" up. Good to see you're still sane.
post #3 of 18
Tai chi skiing doesn't waste expensive pretoleum based products any faster than regular skiing and doesn't make a toxic smoke. I think you are being unfair to tai chi skiing (and other less efficient forms, ie. telemark).

Breaking a wheeled vehicle into a controlled skidded turn is more exhilarating than making a ski turn WITHOUT skidding. I don't like any motorized sports (except skiing, I will take a motorized assist to gain vertical any time). Even in mountain biking I generally avoid drifting turns which is hard on the trails. But when both wheels drifted which only happened a couple times by accident, wow! what a rush! (I accidently was almost getting run over by a car and had to use skills I didn't know I had, both times riding away unscathed and with aplomb, feeling like a god!)

If they don't want to be grippers, what about rally driving or dirt track? See if they can win a timed event that requires skidded turns to be fast. That might test their skills better and less trashed tires and air pollution! Burnt rubber stinks.
post #4 of 18
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Originally Posted by Yuki
A new entry in the auto sports world? Two nitwits go out and see how much rubber they can smoke. They are "scored" on the smoke generated in a turn and how out of shape they can get. They shred a set of tires in a few "laps".

This is like the tai-chi skiing thread. The guy who drives least efficiently wins? Now that makes a whole lotta sense?

They posture their sorry asses against the "grippers" (guys who can really race). as a counter culture statement?
we already have:

mud bogging
tractor pulls
drag racing

why not another bogus test of "skill" that reveals nothing. sheesh pretty soon we'll hear that NASCAR drivers outclass Grand Prix F1 drivers simply because they have more connection with Joe & Ethyl Sixpack... as we drift ever more into the Rube mentality, regressing manifold times faster than we progressed.
post #5 of 18
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We wouldn't be here without telemark and if I had less age and more energy I'd be out there with you.

I'm not a "purist" and (it's more difficult with shapes), sometimes lock the feet and try to get "comma" and wedeln too!

My MGB was easy to drift but that was done for position in an apex and one of the things I miss most was the "Malibu Grand Prix" track that closed ten years ago. Wankle 33 hp motors in a mini GP chassis were a blast.

Used to do SCCA, TSD's in Seat of Pants class .... in a Ford Pinto ... speed on back roads in the dirt and gravel ... fun just don't ask about my "record". When we stepped up to the PRO category it was a real ... always finished but never real high ... actually got a few trophies for DLBF. This was not the open "balls to the wall" closed course stuff.

Only had my 00' Vette for a few weeks now but I'll probably never drift it. So far it's way deeper in a turn and still feels like it's on rails.

Shredding up a set of tires that cost probably $800 for "effect" is such a waste. They are not "at speed", they face no risk except from the volatile organic compounds coming off the rubber smoke.

I can even understand NASCAR to a point. When you have a corn field and have a bit of pone or shine in you and you are sittin on the porch .... "I got me a Chevy that'll whoop yer Ford" ..... "Oh yeah, well less go!"

Heck, sometimes I mow a friends field and my son and I go out and run mindless laps on dirt bikes ..... with a chicane and a few esses to break it up.

Regarding tai-chi .... he is the avered master of all he sees. We should sit at his feet (at $35 an hour) and learn of the mystic inner and outer forms. Here on Epic, I have pretty healthy respect and appreciation for 97% of those who post here. I have .... 40 some years on skis ... and most of you are beyond my ability and level of dedication. In martial arts, I have had a respectable education ... let's leave it at that. He puts as much smoke in the air as the drifters then tells you it smells like roses? Nah!
post #6 of 18
Hey - in our capital they have a "car thing" called the summer nats.... they turn up & spend the weekend competing in burnout competitions - dumb dumb dumb - good weekend to leave town if you live there!
post #7 of 18
I remember part of the show in drag racing was the "burnout" where they would lay down rubber to run on for the race. The few times I've seen drag racing on SPEED I don't remember seeing them do that anymore.
Gonzostrike's post reminded me of when I was in Italy in 92, one of the hosts said to me "you have lots of strange sports in the US but the one I really don't understand is Monster Truck Racing". I don't either I replied.
I'll post this once more
NASCAR = None Athletic Sports Competition Attended by Rednecks
post #8 of 18
Thread Starter 
I think the burn out in drag racing was to heat up the tires to get them sticky. Same thing the GP/F-1 boys do with all of that wiggling and zig zagging .... and it works.

I have never watched a NASCAR "event" but I still have some respect for the guys who do +200 mph. That must take an immense degree of concentration, even if that means fighting off boredom going in a perpetual left turn for hours on end. Actually, that may be an inner ear/canal function, an old Air Force study in the 50's found that pilots always spin to the left and that if you are blindfolded you WILL walk in a decreasing left spiral. Bet if you made them go right ...

My big problem with F-1 and NASCAR is "The Rules" .... you are so handicapped as to what a car can really do. That said .. I realize that if you were to run "unlimited" there would be blood and carnage all over the track.

Disski, I spent a bit of time in Townsville. Young and in the Navy, I was getting bored after a few days and wanted to go "somewhere". My buddy Steve, put me in the car and drove me to the top of a hill in a public "park" or preserve. At the top, your could see for miles and miles. The ocean to one side and dusty red hills to the west, south and north. He said, next town is 300 miles north, 250 south or 600 miles west ... less you wanna swim!

Hope you don't have to go that far to escape!
post #9 of 18
As I teenager, I learned how to drive sideways. I picked up the term 4-wheel drift to mean what I was doing on a fast sweeper in my car when both ends of the car were sliding sideways. I first heard about the sport of "drifting" when I got into an argument about what drifting was with a "drifting" fan who maintained that I wasn't drifting unless I had the steering wheel turned in a particular direction (come to think of it this fan reminds me of someone who recently joined our forum ). There's nothing quite like the feeling of transitioning from trailing throttle oversteer to power oversteering at an apex especally when you've got the front end sliding too.

Strange, how it's easier to drift skis than carve, but easier to turn without skidding on motorized transport. Also interesting is that I have more fun drifting around a corner in my car or bike, but carving one on skis.

Yuki,
I would be extremely careful with that vet, especially if it's got Goodyears on it; the transition from full grip to almost-no-grip is rather abrupt and the wheelbase is a little short and twitchy. Stick to power slides on turn exits. Mind you, with the price : of those fat tires, you might not even want to do that.
post #10 of 18
Read Smokey Yunick's autobiography, Best Damn Garage in Town. There's a section called "Little Skinny Rule Book". That's why Smokey liked Indy and didn't like NASCAR. Indy's rule book was "skinny" and didn't have many rules. In NASCAR, as they do now, they made up the rules as they went along "cause I said so".
post #11 of 18
Thread Starter 

the vette

"There are old pilots and bold pilots,but, there ain't no old, bold pilots."

I'm being very careful with the car. What I need to do is find a track or huge parking lot where I can see what it feels like when it cuts loose.

It's a purty safisticated vee-hickle .... all that fancy stuff where the sensors read when you get loose apply a brake on the corner that needs it ....

I'm damned tired of "rule books" ..... I didn't go fishing last week for striped bass. We were going to fish the bay between NY and NJ and when I read the "rules" ..... whoo boy ... if you have a "slot bass of 28" (legal in NJ) and you drift over the NY border .... it's illegal ... unless you are in possession of a bass of 32" .... which puts you illegal in NJ because .... when I gotta take a lawyer fishing with me .... screw it!
post #12 of 18
Hey Yuki, what kind of tires are you running?
post #13 of 18
Thread Starter 

tires

Goodyear Eagle F-1 gs ..... run flats. They only have another three to four thousand miles before replacement so I'll be shopping soon.

I'll probably sacrifice a bit of performance by staying with a run flat design, but that's moot since the car performs as is, way beyond where I want to go anyway.

There is no place for a spare in a Vette so your choice is run flats or paranoia.

I did go on the Callaway site and check out some of their lower level performance enhancement packages though.

I smell trouble .....
post #14 of 18
Just so long as you don't plan on going over the "stop sticks"

Goodyears:, an experts only tire. Be careful out there! (I'm a Michlin and Yokohama fan)
post #15 of 18
Its the automotive equivilent of Ice Dancing.
Tire: Falken Azenis are great grippers. Right now I am running the new Dunlop Direzza DZ-101's on the Miata, great dry grip, marginal wet grip. When we got the Mini, I specificly stayed with the standard 15"er's so we did'nt have to get the (lousy) run flats. I hate run flats.
post #16 of 18
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buying tires

Just like skis, the tires are a compromise. For the Vette, I'll be doing a lot of reading, a few have suggested Michelin Pilots, it'll have to be a good dry/wet performer with no consideration given to mud & snow.

All out performance .... made that mistake once with my wifes Saab 900 base car. The dealer gave me a "killer price" on a fat, sticky set of Yokahama's. One year and 5.000 miles later she had "slicks" ... tread was gone. But boy did that car hang in there in the corners!

A Miata driver and a "suburban doll" in a Range Rover eye the last parking spot at the mall.

The Miata driver puts the pedal down and zips in .... he exits and as she look bewildered says ..... "See what you can do with a sports car!"

She.... puts the Rover in gear and smashes the Miata against the wall ...
..... "See what you can do when your'e rich!"

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post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by Yuki
All out performance .... made that mistake once with my wifes Saab 900 base car. The dealer gave me a "killer price" on a fat, sticky set of Yokahama's. One year and 5.000 miles later she had "slicks" ... tread was gone. But boy did that car hang in there in the corners!
LOL, I do not look for more that one seaon out of a set of tires, so 12-15K is all I want. My Azenis I olny got 10K out of. Plus of this is, tires in a 205/50/15 are only 50-70 ea.
post #18 of 18
Go with the pilots. They transition very gently into a slide.

I got michelin pilots (only H-rated though, not z-rated) on the wallywagon.

BTW those "slicks" will get pretty greasy if you drive hard enough to get some heat in them.
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