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post #31 of 41
The US had a $162 Billion trade deficit with China last year.
It used to be patriotic to buy American.
It supported fellow Americans.
What gets cashed in (or robbed) for that debt if we default on some global IOU?
post #32 of 41
What gets cashed in (or robbed) for that debt if we default on some global IOU?[/quote]


While I don't espouse off shoring manufacturing, please know the difference between a "trade deficit" and a "debt". The former is simply a number reflecting the difference in dollars into the country verses out on products. Ie, China ships us more than we ship to them---in products that is. We ship them more US dollars---they ships us less Chinese Yen. I personnaly don't get off on trade deficits. I believe they are more about politics and something to measure and show your side (Elephant or Donkey) is doing something better or worse than the other side.

Devil's advocate: Why the racism with forign companies? If you purchase German skis from Germans and the same ski (assuming it is just as good or better which it will likely be because the cheaper labor costs can be used for better engineering, materials and some profit taking) from Chinese, what is the difference to the American economy? You are not buying American any way you look at it.

The way I look at this....more Americans are making more dollars on these German/Chinese skis than the Germans/Chinese are making on them. Just look at your proform on this ski. I have been to many a ski shop were Volkl 5 stars were sold out of the rack by January at $1100 a pr. Some instructors got them proform for under 700.00. Looks like everyone is winning. With China making them, I might get my new pair for less.

It is the same people who cry "buy American" or "protect my union job", "salary" "medical benefits" "etc" that are filling up the parking lots at Walmart. "Buy American" also starts in your mountain's cafeteria---it costs a lot to run a mountain, food sales help cover these costs. To me, if you pack a lunch or complain about high food prices at yours---its just like shopping at Walmart. Expect the best but want to pay the least.

Personal note: I pack my lunch some days and pay higher prices others...I guess I sit on the fence, but I alway buy my beer at the mountain bar. Even though it is $2.00 a pt cheaper 4 miles down the road. No discount either:

Here is an idea---next time someone wants to give you a discount on a pair of American made skis---say NO and pay full price. The idea is we need to pay as much as we can afford in order to keep that American/German etc. ski company in business in their homeland. I also think we should check gas prices around all the countries in the world and pay the gas attendant the highest amount. This way, gas prices will go up, more US companies will find it profitable to drill in US lands for US oil and we can all use US oil in our US made cars. Oops---we don't want companies drilling for oil in US forest land. Lets let the Mid-East ruin their wetlands/deserts/forests.

I am off my soap box, I guess we all have a different level of when we should and should not import goods.
post #33 of 41
Not true when K2's were made here in the US.
post #34 of 41
Some of us went in on an order from Telemark Pyrenees, which included some Atomics, Fischers, and K2's. I looked at all the bottoms for finish, structure, bevel etc. Only the K2's were perfect.
post #35 of 41
One significant reason to buy from US rather than underdeveloped countries is that many underdeveloped countries have very poor environmental standards. I cannot say what Volkl's China plant will look like in, but it is a factor I take into account when shopping.
post #36 of 41
GregGaspar :
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We ship them more US dollars---they ships us less Chinese Yen. I personnaly don't get off on trade deficits.
I don't want to seem too picky, but the chinese currency is the Renminbi Yuan.

And a trade deficit is usualy considered a bad thing because it usualy means a depreciated currency and, hum, a higher debt indeed.
post #37 of 41
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Originally Posted by Noodler
If anyone is concerned about this change there's only one word you need to know: Stöckli

So you can change brand devotion and not lose your umlaut.
You beat me to the punchline.......
post #38 of 41
ABC had a story last nite about how a US factory full of blind people building clocks all lost their jobs to China.

Now that's progress!
post #39 of 41
I wouldn't mind where companys move their production to as long as they would lower the price since labor will be much cheaper being somewhere else but that usually are not the case. Just look at sneakers for example. Do they really worth $100-$200 a pair? I remember Nikes were selling sneakers for like $100 a pair 15 years ago and the price haven't lower but only got higher. This only means the USD is getting worthless or that only the top guys are making more and more $

The real scary thing about all these relocating is that we'll be losing all these jobs for the factory class workers here in the U.S. and nothing have gotten any cheaper. any the majority of people are workers here in the U.S.(but u rich skier guys wouldn't know

Something is not going right these days rich are getting really richer and the poor are really getting poorer price for goods are going up(just look at real estate) Yes they say the unemployment rate this yr is lower but that just BS I personally know myself because those unemployed factory workers who was collecting unemployment S.S.$$ already reach their limit and can't collect anymore even though they're still out of their job which put them out of the unemployment statistic. I seen 100s of factories closed down in the city and all these workers nowadays are still unemploy. this is depressing I'm really worry about my childrens future.

O well back to skiing

BTW I HATE UNIONS it's the #1 biggest Factory killer in my area
post #40 of 41
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Originally Posted by GregGaspar
What gets cashed in (or robbed) for that debt if we default on some global IOU?
Here is an idea---next time someone wants to give you a discount on a pair of American made skis---say NO and pay full price. The idea is we need to pay as much as we can afford in order to keep that American/German etc. ski company in business in their homeland. I also think we should check gas prices around all the countries in the world and pay the gas attendant the highest amount. This way, gas prices will go up, more US companies will find it profitable to drill in US lands for US oil and we can all use US oil in our US made cars. Oops---we don't want companies drilling for oil in US forest land. Lets let the Mid-East ruin their wetlands/deserts/forests.

I am off my soap box, I guess we all have a different level of when we should and should not import goods.[/quote]

You do have a point there BUT

I can't buy the more expensive US oil or that pair of Ski without discount because my wife just lost her job at the factory SO i have to take the discount and will have to buy foreign oil. AS a result someday that US made company will go out of business or relocate it production and more workers here will loss there jobs and all there spouses will have to buy foreign cheaper goods with USD which means our $$$ will be getting more and more worthless up to a point that someday we may not even be able to afford foreign goods
post #41 of 41
A "60 minutes" type show did a episode on Southern textile mill towns. Everyone was bitching (with good reason) that their jobs were being shipped overseas "because everyone is shopping at Walmart and not buying American Textile products". A quick drive to the local Walmart found those same employees purchasing Chinese textiles, because that is the only thing they can afford.
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The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. But our poor are rich compared to the middle class of the world. While China does pay slave wages, anything is better than those workers not working at all----and starving. Its all about perspective. There is no one right answer, unfortunately.

Regarding the tennis shoe deal----its the American Businesses making the profit on those shoes. Just as I believe it will be the American Ski retailers making most of the profit on Chinese made Volkl skis. Today maybe 30% of East cost skiers own skis. Tomorrow maybe 40% will own them due to lower or stagnet pricing. That 10% increase will make Millions more profit for Americans, Chinese and Germans. But mostly American retailers selling the skis, shapening edges, waxing, storing, selling extra lift tickets etc. I would argue shipping $5.00 of manufacturing to another country can reap $50.00 in American profits and new jobs. Some political hacks do argue this, while their counter parts agrue against it in hopes of getting your vote. There probably is a case against this and one for it.

Our politicians and news people push the extreme examples in hopes of selling papers and obtaining your vote so they can cash in on the benefits that accompany congressional retirement and back door perks.
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