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post #31 of 55
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Originally Posted by telerod15
"Taking up golf is admitting that your athletic life is over."
Obviously you have never played...or if so, never at a high level. Granted, it does not take the same athleticism that skiing does but it is an athletic sport and more.

I have played for 56 years and still walk and carry and have a 6 handicap. While past my prime, I am still a capable athlete given my age and have played many competitive sports as a child and young man. They included baseball, basketball, tennis, skiing, football, softball, tennis, swimming, water skiing, and golf.

Golf was the most difficult of all and the most elusive to be consistent over time.

Todays top pros are increasingly following strict athletic training and their performance (as far as hitting the ball) shows it. Tiger has always done it and VJ discovered it and look at what he has done...and he is in his 40s. The golfers who are not training are being left in the dust. This was something that I figured out as a kid....being in shape helped my golf game tremendously in distance, stamina, and concentration (because I did not become fatigued easily).

In my experience, basketball required the most pure athleticism and endurance of any of the sports I played but did not have the mental side that golf does.

Anyway, I enjoy both skiing and golf because each offers something completely different for the participant.
post #32 of 55
I dare say those who know of these 'meccas' will not spill the beans to this crowd.

It doesn't sound to me like ANY of the suggestions yet have nailed the real paradises out there; and only a certified fool would want to advertise their unique situation, only to watch it fade into forgotten memories as the hordes rush to join you.
post #33 of 55
So, by posting it for "this crowd", hoards of avid golf/skiers are suddenly going to pull up their roots and move to your little paradise?
There are that many here that have the ability to do that, and would do so just because you mentioned it? Do you toss and turn at night worrying that somebody is going to call Newsweek and tell them about your favorite powder stash?
You're not the least bit paranoid no matter what your friends think. That humming noise you hear though is not us trying to steal your brain waves, it's just that little fan on your cpu. :
post #34 of 55
Thread Starter 
Walking 18 is admirable and can be a very decent form of endurance exercise especially for those of us with gray hair. So many daily fee courses don't even allow walking these days!?! I used to live in a community that had its own nice, full size course and allowed walking for about $20 a round, $13 for nine. Yearly memberships were correspondingly inexpensive. That's the way to do it on a budget. I always got a kick out of the odd, skinny old codgers who'd walk the course and carry a gnarly bag with about 8 clubs in it and still shoot a respectable score the old fashioned way. Don't see too many of them any more.

Even though it was in the snow deprived piedmont of Virginia I used to get in about 5-10 days of cross country skiing on that same golf course in winter for the reason Telerod15 cites - didn't take much cover to be skiable, but had to watch out on cart paths. One year in mid '90s we had a powerful ice storm. It left the course with a slick and fast surface that allowed me to cross country ski it every Sat and Sun for about 5 weeks straight - very durable for VA.

From the "skied over 20 days this year-what job" thread this comment from Mikewil sounds like he's livin' large with a golf/ski combo lifestyle: Took an early out from the corporate rat race 5 years ago. Teach full time in the winter at Copper (skied over 110 days). Most of my "free" skiing is early season at Loveland before Copper opens then in the "grind" teaching and training once Copper starts rolling.
Summers are spent as a golf professional at the Breckenridge Golf Club. Still trying to beat my fellow assistants to see who takes the CR (course record) down first!!!
post #35 of 55
Yes Miester, there are many places that have a special niche; and you have undoubtedly explored some of them! ...The gist was that most who discover these 'special' places can see what blatant real estate advertising can do to truly special places, so they 'tone it down' at least, and some might even revert to 'false' or 'misleading' statements.

Spreading glorious news on this board is just one more straw piled on an overburdened Camel's back. ....An example of this trend would be Salt Lake City of ten years ago vs. what it has become now!(Or Summit County, Co. or Whistler or .............. etc., etc,)
post #36 of 55
One undiscovered mecca that could really use an influx is Anaconda, MT, home of a Jack Nicklaus signature course (also a signature EPA cleanup site) called Old Works and Discovery Basin Ski Area, not to forget scenic Georgetown Lake near the base of the ski area. Real estate in the area is ridiculously cheap!
post #37 of 55
Ok, this location is flying under the radar. If you don't care about fancy homes lining the courses and name brand location I would recommend Ogden, Utah.

The Ogden Golf and Country Club is very nice and I believe you can still get a membership for under 12,000.
As far as the abundance of courses, you have about 11 within the county, a 27 hole course in Morgan County (25-30 minutes away) and others in Davis county.

Skiing you have Snowbasin and Powder Mountain, not to mention the PC and SLC resorts about an hour away.

Real Estate you can find a nice small home in the 120,000 range up to a nice home in the 150+ along the benches. So you will have enough money to actually golf and ski.

This is a blue collar area so if you feel uncomfortable living in a blue collar community and need a resort feel it may not be for you. But the amenities are better than most resort areas.

There are great mountain bike trails along the east bench you can easily access.
post #38 of 55
How about Tucson? If you like golf, there's 35 resorts within 1/2 hour of my house and a 2 lift ski resort 45 minutes away up the hill.
You can golf every day of the year and ski for the 6 days the resort has a real snow pack.
post #39 of 55
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Originally Posted by okolepuka
Ok, this location is flying under the radar. If you don't care about fancy homes lining the courses and name brand location I would recommend Ogden, Utah.

The Ogden Golf and Country Club is very nice and I believe you can still get a membership for under 12,000.
As far as the abundance of courses, you have about 11 within the county, a 27 hole course in Morgan County (25-30 minutes away) and others in Davis county.

Skiing you have Snowbasin and Powder Mountain, not to mention the PC and SLC resorts about an hour away.

Real Estate you can find a nice small home in the 120,000 range up to a nice home in the 150+ along the benches. So you will have enough money to actually golf and ski.

This is a blue collar area so if you feel uncomfortable living in a blue collar community and need a resort feel it may not be for you. But the amenities are better than most resort areas.

There are great mountain bike trails along the east bench you can easily access.

I hardly consider a country club membership for 12,000 Blue collar. our most expensive local club is about 2,000/year, I pay less than a grand form my club...
post #40 of 55
SirMack....


The community is blue collar, not the country club.

for Utah that is pretty good.
post #41 of 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by feallen
I dare say those who know of these 'meccas' will not spill the beans to this crowd.

It doesn't sound to me like ANY of the suggestions yet have nailed the real paradises out there; and only a certified fool would want to advertise their unique situation, only to watch it fade into forgotten memories as the hordes rush to join you.
so you're still thinking of moving to Whitefish, eh feallen?
post #42 of 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by nolo
One undiscovered mecca that could really use an influx is Anaconda, MT, home of a Jack Nicklaus signature course (also a signature EPA cleanup site) called Old Works and Discovery Basin Ski Area, not to forget scenic Georgetown Lake near the base of the ski area. Real estate in the area is ridiculously cheap!
and the golf season an amazing 2.5 months!
post #43 of 55
I agree with both telerod and bsimeral. rod's correct for the perspective of one whose idea of "athleticism" involves moving at good rates of speed performing a lot of different physical moves AND training the CV system.

bsimeral is correct that golf is an athletic game, and that it should not be so quickly dismissed just because of a few fat boozers like Craig Stadler or John Daly, because even what those two dudes can do to a golf ball takes HUGE athletic skill - though not of a kind that relates to sports played without stable footing. it takes athletic skill to conduct the complex hand-eye coordination and muscle memory pathways in a way that gives repeatable, reliable AND consciously modifiable swing patterns. anyone who contends differently probably hasn't spent much time trying to beat 90 for 18 holes!

I learned golf as a kid and hope to take it up again when I feel MTB riding is taking too big a toll on my body.
post #44 of 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by feallen
I dare say those who know of these 'meccas' will not spill the beans to this crowd.

It doesn't sound to me like ANY of the suggestions yet have nailed the real paradises out there; and only a certified fool would want to advertise their unique situation, only to watch it fade into forgotten memories as the hordes rush to join you.

WHITEFISH!

WHITEFISH!!
WHITEFISH!!!
WHITEFISH!!!!

There now, that didn't really hurt all that much now did it?
post #45 of 55
Old Works is open from April through October, Gonz.
post #46 of 55
Whitefish is nice, but with Mary Hart and Woody Harrelson already there, I think it's been done.
post #47 of 55
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Originally Posted by Big Jim Slade
How about Tucson? If you like golf, there's 35 resorts within 1/2 hour of my house and a 2 lift ski resort 45 minutes away up the hill.
You can golf every day of the year and ski for the 6 days the resort has a real snow pack.
Mt Lemmon ski area is not always open. I think it has had a rough time during the drought years and the surrounding area has had 2 devastating fires but neither touched the ski area by some miracle.

I bought a home in Tucson but never moved there. My thought on skiing was to drive to utah and southern colorado for several days of skiing during the week. Arizona snow bowl is a nice area but it has been sparse for a number of years. This winter was great according to what I heard but they have not had a good winter in years and have no snowmaking.
post #48 of 55
Thread Starter 
Apparently some meaningful improvements to snowmaking and terrain at AZ Snowbowl have been approved:
http://www.onthesnow.com/news/southw...505-14283.html
post #49 of 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by nolo
Old Works is open from April through October, Gonz.
"open" and "enjoyably playable" are two different concepts, nolo.

those who want a taste of a foul-tempered British Open on a coastal course in chilly winds and wet rain might enjoy Old Works in anything other than the TRUE 2.5 month season, but you are being a Babbitt-like booster when you reference the "open" season as the "enjoyably playable" season.

the Univ MT 9-hole course is open whenever there isn't snow on it, but I doubt anyone enjoys playing on it 9 of 12 months.
post #50 of 55
I was saying that tongue in cheek. Mt lemmon only was open for a week or two in december last year. This necessitated weekend 5 hr marathon drives to northern AZ instead of lazily driving 22 miles up the mountain. The previous 2 years were ok but not great. Except for a powder dump in feb 03 where they closed the roads unless you had 4wd, leading to me being 1 of like 10 people up there till noon with light fresh untracked powder.

AZ snowbowl and Sunrise had some of the deepest snowpacks in the nation last year around Jan-Feb. It was bizarre. I couldn't believe I was skiing in state with no rocks poking through everywhere...all the way to April. Snowbowl is getting snowmaking, and hopefully they'll put blowers on the lift lines first. That got thin really quick in the spring. Lifts are super slow, but the 1 hike to bowl and terrain parks were nice.
post #51 of 55
Depends on how much you like golf, Gonz. I have played the Old Works in driving sleet and enjoyed it. We went to soak at Fairmont Hot Springs to thaw out afterwards. But you may have a point: only natives or people sufficiently acclimated to the vagaries of Montana weather would, without reservation, enjoy Anaconda, Old Works, and Discovery Basin on any day.
post #52 of 55
BTW, last year I played golf from late March until late November after the flags were pulled, averaging 54 holes a week from June through September.
post #53 of 55
some people need their obsessions, I guess.

I played several tournaments in HS and college in wet sleety driving rain. I won't ever do it again for "fun," as you can't ever convince me that such masochism is enjoyable.

IMO the types of clothing that make wet weather tolerable for hiking, backpacking, fishing, ww kayaking, mtb riding DO NOT work well with a golf swing.

and a compromised swing for the sake of the game? not my cuppa, not in this lifetime anyway.

I know Missoula's weather, nolo. I know how many months of the year I will be playing golf if/when I give up the bicycles. and that number is an average of 2.5 months.

I didn't move here to play golf. it would be a dumb location for that. of course, some Montanans seem to think that much of the state ought to go the way of Florida and Myrtle Beach, and not all of YOU peculiar Montanans live near Bozo. some are here in Zoola. you should hear the radio ads for "Phantom Hills Luxury Golf Community - Where Family Means Something". who needs Syrup of Ipecac when you have that? aaaarrrrrgggghhh. if you wanna be a golfer/skier, Montana ain't the place, not by a long shot. I think Whistler would be a whole lot closer to ideal.
post #54 of 55
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Jim Slade
I was saying that tongue in cheek. Mt lemmon only was open for a week or two in december last year. This necessitated weekend 5 hr marathon drives to northern AZ instead of lazily driving 22 miles up the mountain. The previous 2 years were ok but not great. Except for a powder dump in feb 03 where they closed the roads unless you had 4wd, leading to me being 1 of like 10 people up there till noon with light fresh untracked powder.

AZ snowbowl and Sunrise had some of the deepest snowpacks in the nation last year around Jan-Feb. It was bizarre. I couldn't believe I was skiing in state with no rocks poking through everywhere...all the way to April. Snowbowl is getting snowmaking, and hopefully they'll put blowers on the lift lines first. That got thin really quick in the spring. Lifts are super slow, but the 1 hike to bowl and terrain parks were nice.
My son lived in Tempe for 5 years and Flagstaff 6. He had some good seasons at Snowbowl but also some bad ones where the area was barely open most of the season. This year was certainly an anamoly.

I had heard that snowmaking and other improvements were proposed and I am glad to hear they got approved. On the other hand, those mountains are beautiful and very unique and I hope that development is limited. I have spent a lot of time hiking in the area and never get bored with the terrain, unique geography and ancient indian sites. I would move there if my wife would consent.

Never got to ski Mt Lemmon but have hiked the mountains numerous times. Loved the Aspen Loop where the last fire was. At least I have some pictures to remember the area.
post #55 of 55
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Originally Posted by Jamesj
Apparently some meaningful improvements to snowmaking and terrain at AZ Snowbowl have been approved:
http://www.onthesnow.com/news/southw...505-14283.html
Good. The article had the dates screwed up....1996/97 instead of 2006/7.

I think that the area is on indian land and the mountains are sacred to them. Love to ski but it is a tough call to mess up the beauty of the Peaks. I have spent many enjoyable days there and hope to spend more if my health holds up.
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