Originally Posted by extremecarver
Just to tell you some words Ivan/checkracer wrote on the german forum www.carvingski.de
There was a 12/13 years old boy 35kg whom all skis were stolen. Consequently he used a 183 Atomic Sandwich race ski, instead of his 171 GS race ski. Guess what --> he was faster.
Later in the year in an open race in Sulden on a 186 GS (1:06 minutes) he only lacked 2 seconds to Nicole Gius who was fastest(a prominent worldcup racer). A 13 year old. Get that.
"It seems possible to use longer skis as long as they are soft". (quote Checkracer - translated and abriged). As well if the technique is right a little, light junior can use longer skis, and will be faster, they only need to be soft enough.
This seems to be the reason for Atomic offering capped sandwich skis, without beta. People are not up to handle the beta.
Ivans' notice is in accordance with what I heard at the Atomic Race Test day of the Skihauptschule Windischgarsten (skischool Worldchampion 2005). Even the 11 year olds (girls too) tested the 176GS11, and most were faster than on their old skis! So my advice would be a 135 or 140cm for slalom, and a soft 160cm for GS.
But better test before buying. Real race skis don't have that big price differnce during the time of the year, that consumer skis have.
I find this to be very difficult to believe. 35kg is 78 lbs. Unless his skis were made from balsa wood there is no way a 12/13 at 78 lbs is going to bend a 183 or 186 Atomic GS ski. They don't make any that soft first off. Also this notion that sandwich cap skis are automatically softer than a BETA ski is ridiculous. I happen to have 2 pair of 183 GS11 sandwich caps in my garage. I skied on a pair of them at whistler a couple of weeks ago. I also have a pair of 186 Gs11 from a couple of years ago. The sandwich cap is much stiffer and more demanding.
It all depends on the individual ski's flex and turn radius. Every Fischer race ski (Sandwich) I have skied on is considereably stiffer and more demanding than almost every Atomic race ski I have skied on!
I also find it extremely hard to belive any 12/13 year old at 78lbs. is finishing anywhere near any WC racer on any course on any ski.
Colby Granstrom is one of the top young Junior racers from here in Seattle, he is affliated with SPAC( Stevens Pass Alpine Club) He placed 13th overall at Topolino (The best 13/14 year olds in the World)in the 2nd slalom run 4th starting from 32 this year and had great results at Whistler Cup. I will check the results & repost Point is most of the J1's & J2's that are pretty good here in PNSA(no where near World Cup though) still beat him by a wide margin.
I have watched many kids race. The difference in times of the best 14's are usualy at least a couple seconds faster than the best 13's. Same with the 15's being faster than the 14's and the 16's being faster the 15's and so on until about 18.
Give us a jive story that their is at least some chance of being believable.
Now in regard to our little 9 year old. She is 8 right now not 11 & not 12 or 13. You keep making suggestions based on a much older more mature racer not on a under 5 foot tall 705 lbs 8 year old who is in the 2nd year of racing.
So in conclusion, you guys must have some really strong schnapps or something over there, cause ain't no 78 lbs. 12/13 year old is only 2 seconds off a WC racer unless the World Cupper is from Aruba or somewhere. My 16 & 19 year olds (175lbs & 230lbs.) could tow him down the course faster than he could ski on his own!