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Anyone using blades?

post #1 of 36
Thread Starter 
Every once in a while when the snow is just right and the gaps between our Eastern trees are too tight for my Atomics I put on my Salomon Sno Blades. A friend gave them to me a couple years ago and I have used them from time to time since. They are a blast in the trees and the bumps. My question is this: Anybody out there using shorties? I am ready to go to something a little longer and more stable than the blades and am looking for some suggestions. A friend has a couple of pairs of Blizzard Yahoos. I tried them and they were a lot of fun. They seem kind of flimsy though. The way I have been using the blades so far I think that whatever I get should be able to withstand some abuse. Thanks.
post #2 of 36
before you seriously take up the following it is important to consider the following...

Have you told your parents {edited -- please pick another analogy that won't offend people}???

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post #3 of 36
Well... you shouldn't be doing that dude... But I know a kid that uses the Salomon 1080 grom... Dynastar Snap would also be an option... My best advice: GO GET SOME REAL TWINTIPS!!!
post #4 of 36
I can only echo the sentiments of those who have gone before me. I know this is a polite, adult forum, but there is no need to mention that you are using blades and expect to get away scott free.

However, if you really want to use them, you will need the essential blader's accessories:

Stupid hat (preferably with at least three big points with bells on), gay mulit-coloured jacket (absolutely no prtection at all if possible), jeans (if you can tuck these right into your neon socks that's pretty cool) and a very bad attitude.

Oh, you will need some of that pink and yellow sun cream plastered on like war paint (or an Italina) to really fit in with the blade crew.

I strongly advise you do not take up this bastard offspring of the winter sports family.
post #5 of 36
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all your help. Someday, I too hope to be Herminators like you guys.
I did not realize that certain subjects are taboo on this board. Give me a break.<FONT size="1">

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post #6 of 36
Sorry Loafer.

I feel really bad now. Maybe I'll give blades a try next week. Maybe not. I guess the thing is that, for me, anyway, I'm still having too much fun skiing to try anything else. I am a bigot, and I am blinkered. I cannot accept that which is different to myself and I reject all that I do not know. I do not have security required to go out on a limb and admit I like something "daggy" like blading.

Having said all that (which I hope you understand is an apology), I still don't like bladers very much. They get in the way on the slopes and they just look messy.

And that's all I have to say about that.
post #7 of 36
Thread Starter 
Johnny Boy
I can accept that. That used to be my reaction to boarders, then I got my first Burton split tail (probably way before your time).
post #8 of 36
Hmm. This is tricky. Whilst I am not a boarder, I would much rather give that a try than get on the blades. There is something fundamentally unappealing about those midget skis. That's just my opinion though.

I think it's because I see them rather as a waste of hill-time. I'd feel that blading would be a form of sacrifice, or sacrilege, even. It goes against the grain, and against my ski all day instincts.

Each to their own...
post #9 of 36
Blades have a place learning some fundamentals of skiing. If you are having a problem with "fore-Aft" balance the blades will make you ski centered. on blades the alternative is face plants or sitting on your butt a lot. If you have fun on them go do it.
post #10 of 36
Thread Starter 
The midget skis are not the next coming to save the sport. no argument there. but they are still 120-130 cm, not much shorter than the newest slalom skis but much wider. Most of the glades in the east are pretty tight and thick with growth. I am looking for a fun way to get into the woods more often in the areas where I ski. When I ski other parts of the country it is easier to use longer skis in the woods. Maybe short fats would be more appropriate.
If it will ease your mind I will burn the "short fats" and pull my old 215 red sleds out of the mothballs.
post #11 of 36
Thread Starter 
no problem with my balance (pre 4:00pm), ex racer, just looking for another way to have fun in the woods. I've noticed lots of people, all apparently gay, using them in the trees and they appeared to be having a good time. Gay = happy right?<FONT size="1">

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post #12 of 36
See, here's the thing. I've never seen anyone use them in the trees. I've only ever seen them being used on the pistes, or very nearby the pistes, and I have to stop myself hurling obscenities in the user's direction. They just seem such a pointless way to get down the mountain. That said, I suppose if the trees are really that close together, it might be fun to zip through them without worrying about clipping your tips and tails.

Blade on!
post #13 of 36
Thread Starter 
now that you understand that I am not looking for on trail skis perhaps you could recommend some short fats that would be fun in the confines of tight eastern glades.
I should have titled the thread differently but if you stick with me we will get through this.

Just noticed that you are from Scotland. I skied the rocks of Aviemore (spelling?) once a long time ago and also on the carpet of some farmers hill in England. I guess thats why Chamonix is your home mountain. Hope the snow is decent. <FONT size="1">

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post #14 of 36
I was just pointing out that blades or shorties have a place. I have actually seen group of instructors (I assumed they were having a training session) on them. I can see a need for them in places like the Aspens at The canyons. Very tight spaces in a field of small trees.
post #15 of 36
If you went to Scotland and skied Aviemore, that's about as good as it gets. Glenshee is near my home, so I have a soft spot for it. This year was the best in ages - 70cm upper slopes!!

Anyhow, about your short skis. The shortest thing I've been on is the Salomon Axe Cleaver, which was a barrel of laughs. I'm afraid I know nothing about anything shorter than that, for the reasons elaborated in previous posts.

All mouth and no trousers, I guess...

My advice is maybe to rent for a couple of days (like demoing but more expensive) to see which blade stands up to the abuse you want to meat out on them.

Good luck.
post #16 of 36
Thread Starter 
thanks, I agree, that is why I was looking for any recommendations for something on the short side that would be fun to use in the tight glades. Me thinks this thread has gotten off track and maybe I will post a better thought out question as a separate thread.
post #17 of 36
dont get me wrong here i think snowlerblading is completely {edited -- please pick another analogy that won't offend people} but i guess i will make some reccomendations. Line is coming out with 3 skis/skiboards next year. the ghettoblaster which is about 130cm. mike nick pro model which is about 140-145cm, and the 153, which is obviously 153cm. i think it is awful that snowlerblading is creeping into the fringes of our sport. But if you wanna go make an idiot out of yourself, great, im glad to help out<FONT size="1">

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post #18 of 36
Enough with the oppression! There is nothing wrong with blades. Skiing is about fun, not machismo. I don't know why they have gotten such a bad rap in such a short amount of time. Ironically, most of the criticism comes from people within the snowboard industry who were on the outside looking in just a decade ago. Specifically Burton, who invented the snowboard and fought so hard for acceptance, called them a "geeky fad". I guess he was afraid of his market share.

I bought a pair of "Groove Taxicab II" a few years ago. While I quickly lost interest, it was fun to play around with in the trees. I still keep them around for visitors who have never skied before (they are much more intuitive than skiing or riding) or for my friends that want to try something new.

Be sure you know the difference between snow-blades and ski-boards. Snow-blades are what you have been using. They are generally narrow and are constructed much like a ski. Ski-boards are generally wider and are constructed like a snowboard. I would recommend ski-boards since they are more versatile. They run from 83cm to 99cm.

For more information, and a lot less snickering from the peanut gallery, check out: www.skiboards.com
post #19 of 36
anybody remember "BigFeet"?
post #20 of 36
I worked for Kneissl at the time BigFeet came to the US. Salomon had better marketing so thr SnowBlade got far more recognition. Loafer, they're a blast. If some of the other people here don't like them cause they're not the cool think to do now, so what. I've been on them since the early 90's (forget the exact year they hit) and I take a pair on all my trips. It's hasn't replaced my long boards, but it is a fun alt now and then. Line makes great boards, but personally I like them a bit shorter for possible knee tweakage. The Sollie Buzz 99 is a ggod length and nice dimensions. Give em a go and who really gives a damn what others think, you're the one that counts.
post #21 of 36
If you are the first person I see that actually seems to have some control of them more power to you. every person I have ever seen on them looks ike they are about to cartwheel into me @ any speed.
post #22 of 36
Look, I'm sorry too, if I offended you... Nothing should be taboo here...
The thing that's annoying me are all the bladers that can't ride regular skis, so they just blade instead!! They sneak in the lift and they sneak in the park.... They're having such a rude behavior, which they think are SO cool!!
post #23 of 36
I think the "Midget" skis with real bindings are a better choice than Blades.Blades use non release bindings, technology right out of pre the 1960's.

I have seen some skiers on the midget skis, and trust me, they carve very nicely, are much more stable at speed, and I think are more versitile. Frankly, they go like a "bat out of hell," with none of the draw backs of the shorter 90 cm skis.

In powder, I don't think they will be of much use because of such limited surface area. To go from 90 to 120 cm while in percentage terms is significant, in terms of overall safety and enhanced performance the midget skis have are the way to go.

Yes it will cost more for the ski, and the bindings, but in this case I do think you get what you pay for.
post #24 of 36

I assure you that the right skier can control skiboards or snowblades with no problems, as well as carve better than 95% of skiers on the mountain. That is especially true if you happen to be an expert on in-line skates.

I have a pair of Groove skiboards (90cm) and I use them occasionally for high speed carves on groomed terrain. For me, they are purely a training tool, because they will force you to stay balanced and carve with equal weight on both feet. Of course, you can do that on the narrower snowblades if you wish. I have no opinion on using skiboards/snowblades in the trees, but if powder is also present, I would say that longer skis and poles are a better way to manage that environment.

To the snowblade-bashing community,

You guys have to try to be more mature in order to have the respect of people on this board. Even among dedicated skiboarders, it seems to be fashionable to laugh at folks on snowblades. This only emphasizes the immature, sheep-like mentality that people get into.
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post #26 of 36
thank you for the first eloquent thread on this topic. BTW what are the cut offs for skiboards/blades/short twins???
post #27 of 36

It is about 100cm, as far as I am aware, but even skiboards are getting longer. It is the fixed binding that are the issue as they get longer.

post #28 of 36
Kneissl did an independant study before putting out the BigFeet that showed that any ski over 84cm can cause enough torque to require a releasable binding. How accurate this is I have no idea since it was done by them, But the non-release bindings have caused some bad breaks/injuries on some people. I personally have not had any injuries, but the longer lengths still worry me.
post #29 of 36
Wow, people afraid of short skis. Too bad there a lot of fun. I'm with Wink on the releasable binding midget skis. People are again breaking legs with no releasable boards.
I've got Elan psx 113cm. They carve way better than snowblades and go much faster without that 'wobble' the blades always have. They only like hardpack though, not so happy with the soft stuff. Elan makes same ski in 123,133cm sizes.
Go grab a pair and have some fun.
post #30 of 36
You might want to check out the 2001/02 Fischer Sceno: http://www.skinet.com/article/gear.cfm?alias_id=5010
A "Short all- mountain" ski. Doesn't give size here. Looks like fun.
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