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post #1 of 25
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Thanks to all the respondents to my recent posts re gear for a tuning virgin. Just about to push the button on the orders but just want to check that I’ve got it right before I make an expensive mistake.

The purchase price of the gear is being split between three of us so cost, although a factor, is not a major driver. All of us have our skis tuned to 1/3 so I’ve gone for aluminium file guides for consistency and have selected the items based upon quality and recommendation etc.

Availability in the UK was also a consideration, with the Kunzmann brand having a particularly good importer (Kunzmann apparently make many tuning products for other companies, especially Holmenkol. See http://www.kunzmann-skitools.de).

My shopping list is as follows. What do you think?

Home made bench (in my garage )
Jaws of the Beast vice set
Side of Beast Pro Edge tuning guide
Beast true bar
SVST Final Cut base edge bevel tool
Kunzmann World Cup chrome std file, 200mm, 14 cuts per cm
Kunzmann World Cup chrome coarse file, 200mm, 11 cuts per cm
Beast file card
Kunzmann 4200 waxing iron c/w wax fleece
Kunzmann horsehair brush
Kunzmann nylon brush
Kunzmann brass brush
Kunzmann metal scraper
Kunzmann plexi scraper, 6mm
Kunzmann scraper sharpener
Kunzmann side wall stripper
DMT diamond stone, x-fine, 1200 grit/green
DMT diamond stone, fine, 600 grit/red
DMT diamond stone, medium, 400 grit/blue
DMT diamond stone, coarse, 200 grit/black
Kunzmann alu-oxide stone
Kunzmann wax cork (still haven’t figured out what this is for yet?)
Scotchbrite pad set
FK/SKS Edge Trick (for resort use & in backpack)
Any base flattening/grinding to be done by a pro tuner

Other possible options are:
Swix files in coarse, medium & finishing cuts instead of the World Cup’s?
Moonflex diamond stones instead of the DMT’s?

Also, do I use the diamond stones dry, with water or a cutting oil?
post #2 of 25
Forget DMT, go Moonflex.
Diamond cutting with water or 50/50 alcohol/water.
Never dry.
post #3 of 25
That's pretty much a complete list.

Tiny thing: P-Tex candles, at least. Even if you're going to send the skis out for repair of big damage, you probably want to be able to do quick fills. They're cheap.

Another small thing which you may alread have: one of those clamp-on shop lights. Useful for getting the light where you want it to look at the true bar, or the structure or whatever.

Maybe an apron, while you're at it.

On the specific questions:
I have DMTs, but if I were doing it over, I'd probably get the Moonflex.
I use 50/50 water and alcohol. Seems to work pretty well.
post #4 of 25
The wax cork is for daily no-iron application & polish in resort. See skidoc's post in the waxing is hard thread. The Wax Whizzard may save you effort there.

The al-ox stone and the metal scraper won't be seeing much use I think (unless you listen to sjjohnston^) Neither will the DMT black.

The really weak bit is that Edge Trick.

Moonflex won't fit FK tuners. Buy Moonflex anyway & consider one of the Burton/Red side bevel jobbies or the Toko Precision File Guides instead of the FK for in-resort use.
post #5 of 25
Sidewall tape to keep the wax away from the bindings. I've never used it but it came with the basic Holmenkol package.

You will probably have a tendency to use too much wax the first few times till you get the "dribble" technique down ... so it may not be a bad idea for the first few times.
post #6 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by spyderjon
Thanks to all the respondents to my recent posts re gear for a tuning virgin. Just about to push the button on the orders but just want to check that I’ve got it right before I make an expensive mistake.

The purchase price of the gear is being split between three of us so cost, although a factor, is not a major driver. All of us have our skis tuned to 1/3 so I’ve gone for aluminium file guides for consistency and have selected the items based upon quality and recommendation etc.

Availability in the UK was also a consideration, with the Kunzmann brand having a particularly good importer (Kunzmann apparently make many tuning products for other companies, especially Holmenkol. See http://www.kunzmann-skitools.de).

My shopping list is as follows. What do you think?

Home made bench (in my garage )
Jaws of the Beast vice set
Side of Beast Pro Edge tuning guide
Beast true bar
SVST Final Cut base edge bevel tool
Kunzmann World Cup chrome std file, 200mm, 14 cuts per cm
Kunzmann World Cup chrome coarse file, 200mm, 11 cuts per cm
Beast file card
Kunzmann 4200 waxing iron c/w wax fleece
Kunzmann horsehair brush
Kunzmann nylon brush
Kunzmann brass brush
Kunzmann metal scraper
Kunzmann plexi scraper, 6mm
Kunzmann scraper sharpener
Kunzmann side wall stripper
DMT diamond stone, x-fine, 1200 grit/green
DMT diamond stone, fine, 600 grit/red
DMT diamond stone, medium, 400 grit/blue
DMT diamond stone, coarse, 200 grit/black
Kunzmann alu-oxide stone
Kunzmann wax cork (still haven’t figured out what this is for yet?)
Scotchbrite pad set
FK/SKS Edge Trick (for resort use & in backpack)
Any base flattening/grinding to be done by a pro tuner

Other possible options are:
Swix files in coarse, medium & finishing cuts instead of the World Cup’s?
Moonflex diamond stones instead of the DMT’s?

Also, do I use the diamond stones dry, with water or a cutting oil?
I am not a fan of the Beast Pro edge beveler. There is limited space between the frame and where the file/or stone sits and some ceramic, arkansas or surgical stones will not fit. It is also more cantankerous to change stones or files with since you must constantly tighten & loosen the screw on the clamp to hold the tool of choice.

I use SVST Pro edge beveler (Stainless baseplate) with fairly large spring clamps. I have a 92, 93 & 94 and a 1, 2 & 3 degree shim. So I can make about any edge angle for instance I put a 1 degree shim on the 92 & then have 2 93's so I don't have to change stones or files as often.

For new ski prep side edge I can use the 94 with a 3 degree shim to create a 7 & a small cross (panser) file to blend the edge into the sidewall. and then go down to 1 degree over my final angle and then my final angel. You can see the flexibility here.

One additional idea, get the shortest 4" if available, files you can. Because of the extreme sidecut of the new skis, this reduces or eliminates the laddering effect caused by long files on the curve of the ski..

Also DMT diamond stones I find, are pretty much useless. YOu should really use Moonflex diamonds available at Race Werks (SVST) & I believe, Artech has them also.

Many of the folk who are serious about tuning on Epic are using the Moonflex. You also should look at a TOKO finishing block and arkansas or I like TOKO's two sided stone for finish polishing and knocking down the "curl" on the base edge after sharpening your side edges.

Use the diamonds with wateer or SVST secret sauce. I have also mixed water & denatured alcohol. They all seem to work about the same. I have Holmenkol's oil but it is too messy & not necessary.

Good Luck & have fun!
post #7 of 25
a Montana or a Wintersteiger
post #8 of 25
Moonflex
Moonflex
Moonflex
post #9 of 25
Exhaust Fan. i put one right behind my vise in the wall, sucks the molten ptex and wax fumes out through the wall.
post #10 of 25
A refridgerator to keep beer.

Pozidrive
Binding jigs for whatever you use (this is becoming less important with the new integrated systems)
Brake clips or rubber bands
Band aids
post #11 of 25
#3 Pozidriver(actual stand alone screwdriver) & pozidriver bits for drill.
post #12 of 25
It makes a pretty complete list.
If the three guys can and want to pay, no problem.
Still, IMHO, it´s quite maximalistic for "tuning virgins".
The 1200 diamond?

For all those who also want to (start to) tune I´d be somewhat more realistic. They shouldn´t get the impression that only such a list makes a good tune possible.

Btw, we are preparing a big Montana show for all (potential) Czech customers on May 24-26. Wanna come and buy some Snow Cruiser machine? The purchase would reduce the list substantially...

(Sorry Phil I know it was your idea.)
post #13 of 25
Wow..what a list.

I am in the UK too, but just me and my family's skis.
I would hope to be able to do a good job with less kit than that. I certainly plan to.

So please...could you give me a stripped down list?
Not the bare-bones, a bit more than that, but hopefully less than that lot.

I'd really appreciate it...
post #14 of 25
Vice
Ptex
Metal Scraper for ptex (keep it sharp)
Panzar File for ptex and sharpening plastic scraper
Coarse and Medium Diamond Stones
Gummi Stone (optional)
Mill File
Side edge guide
Base edge guide
Waxing Iron
Plastic Scraper
2 Brass Brushes (one for cleaning, one for wax removal)
Horsehair Brush
Paint brush to wipe off wax as you scrape/brush
post #15 of 25
No body here has listed a portable table for those trips of several days away from the home (shop). Do you all just rub on wax or use liquid wax products? Who does a hot wax when in the motel?
post #16 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by mkevenson
No body here has listed a portable table for those trips of several days away from the home (shop). Do you all just rub on wax or use liquid wax products? Who does a hot wax when in the motel?
This is a big problem for me. I go to Vail for two weeks and can't do hot wax in the condo and there's no place to do it. So I bring a Wax Whizard and use that and diamond stones in the condo. Bring the wax, Wax Whizard and just the Horsehair brush and hold each ski down on a counter top to "tune." Maybe next year I'll bring a vice, doubtful, certainly can't lug a tuning table with my other luggage on the plane.
post #17 of 25

Wire shed for 220V or 380V?

Quote:
Originally Posted by checkracer
Btw, we are preparing a big Montana show for all (potential) Czech customers on May 24-26. Wanna come and buy some Snow Cruiser machine? The purchase would reduce the list substantially...

(Sorry Phil I know it was your idea.)
It's just that those 50Hz machines are too slow for over here.
post #18 of 25
By Syderjon:"Jaws of the Beast vice set
Side of Beast Pro Edge tuning guide..."

I have both. They work fine for me and are a good combination of quality/price. They are also user friendly. As Atomic man points out, SVST makes some very good tools as well.
post #19 of 25
My usual tuning kit:

10 inch file
metal scraper
20 year old iron
Skivision Skisharp beveling tool with file and stone inserts
Tognar base repair iron
6 pack Black Butte Porter
post #20 of 25
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rio
6 pack Black Butte Porter
That's a lot of time for just your skis. You don't ski east coast, so you must be a very generous fellow.
post #21 of 25
janek -

I think what you're looking for a list of equipment that is appropriate for a recreational skier who wants to do a competent job of waxing their own skis as opposed to a competitive skier who is looking to get every bit of advantage out of his/her tune. "Recreational skier" describes me and here's a list of my equipment...

* Swix wax iron - an iron specifically made for waxing skis (at minimum an iron without holes in the bottom)
* Extension cord for the wax iron
* Swix ski vices - something to mount the skis on while waxing
* Simple hydrocarbon wax – In the Pacific Northwest (Oregon & Washington) its Swix CH6 for cold days, CH7 for average and warm days
* Citrus based "base cleaner"
* Some old white rags (from old sheets for example) - for cleaning the skis with base cleaner.
* 1 soft plastic scraper – to knock the wax off of the edges and in the event wax drips over on to the sides of the skis. These often come with little groves notched in them for use around ski edges.
* 1 hard plastic scraper about 5 mm thick - for scraping the bases after waxing
* 1 3M Scotchbrite pad - use on your bases after scraping to "open them up"
* 1 file - to knock the burrs off of the edges caused by rocks

I wax every time before going skiing (I’m a runner so my days of skiing are pretty intense). The above stuff costs less than about $200 (US).

Opinions on this will probably vary, but about every 20 to 25 days of skiing seems to be often enough for having the edges of your skis sharpened. Given that and the exact angles that ski edges need to be sharpened to, I'll take my skis to a ski shop and let the shop sharpen them. Usually this happens at the start of the ski season and at the same time the shop does the annual binding check.

Likewise, I don't do p-tex base repairs either. None of the rock damage done to my skis’ bases has been deep enough to warrant such a repair. If such a repair were necessary, then I'd probably have a shop do it rather than go out and buy all the necessary equipment & supplies and try to do it myself.

Hope this helps.

Dave
post #22 of 25
One of the biggest problems everywhere seems to be a table or something similar. The best vices are no use if you don´t find anything to fasten them to.

I found that a plank with a pair of carpenters clamps (I hope you know what I mean if I don´t use the precise words) might do the job very often. It´s not so difficult to find some table, you also may fasten the plank to something suitable.
My plank Nr. 1 is permanently in the house in the Alps where I always stay, Nr. 2 at my friends in the Czech mountains where I spend 90% of my domestic ski days. That way I substantially reduce the necessity of carrying the service table along.
It´s no breakthrough idea but it took me some time to get it.
post #23 of 25

Tuning gear

One great link to purchase tuning gear that I have not seen posted is www.artechski.com . Owned by a Masters racer, George Merrill, with great prices and excellent knowledge and service. Also, if you're going to tune a lot of skis, consider purchasing a Roto tool set with accompanying brushes. Makes the process go much quicker. A bit tricky to use at first, based on getting the hang of how to pressure the tools (not much needed) but very efficient and used extensively on the World Cup. MHO and $.02.
post #24 of 25
Spyderjon,

How happy have you been with quality/performance of your Kunzmann products? I'm considering Kunzmann (goes by Holmenkol in the U.S.) vs. SVST and other brands.

Thanks.


Quote:
Originally Posted by spyderjon View Post
Thanks to all the respondents to my recent posts re gear for a tuning virgin. Just about to push the button on the orders but just want to check that I’ve got it right before I make an expensive mistake.

The purchase price of the gear is being split between three of us so cost, although a factor, is not a major driver. All of us have our skis tuned to 1/3 so I’ve gone for aluminium file guides for consistency and have selected the items based upon quality and recommendation etc.

Availability in the UK was also a consideration, with the Kunzmann brand having a particularly good importer (Kunzmann apparently make many tuning products for other companies, especially Holmenkol. See http://www.kunzmann-skitools.de).

My shopping list is as follows. What do you think?

Home made bench (in my garage )
Jaws of the Beast vice set
Side of Beast Pro Edge tuning guide
Beast true bar
SVST Final Cut base edge bevel tool
Kunzmann World Cup chrome std file, 200mm, 14 cuts per cm
Kunzmann World Cup chrome coarse file, 200mm, 11 cuts per cm
Beast file card
Kunzmann 4200 waxing iron c/w wax fleece
Kunzmann horsehair brush
Kunzmann nylon brush
Kunzmann brass brush
Kunzmann metal scraper
Kunzmann plexi scraper, 6mm
Kunzmann scraper sharpener
Kunzmann side wall stripper
DMT diamond stone, x-fine, 1200 grit/green
DMT diamond stone, fine, 600 grit/red
DMT diamond stone, medium, 400 grit/blue
DMT diamond stone, coarse, 200 grit/black
Kunzmann alu-oxide stone
Kunzmann wax cork (still haven’t figured out what this is for yet?)
Scotchbrite pad set
FK/SKS Edge Trick (for resort use & in backpack)
Any base flattening/grinding to be done by a pro tuner

Other possible options are:
Swix files in coarse, medium & finishing cuts instead of the World Cup’s?
Moonflex diamond stones instead of the DMT’s?

Also, do I use the diamond stones dry, with water or a cutting oil?
post #25 of 25
Thread Starter 
ghileman, I've replied to your PM.
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