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What's a Volkl P60 custom?

post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
Volkl's site does not show the P60 custom model. It's has a fake wood top-sheet. Is it really different or just a cosmetic change? From which model?

It also does not show anything with the Porche topsheet either, I'd love to know what that might be too....

Cheers!
post #2 of 28
It's a P60 GC Racing
post #3 of 28
Thread Starter 
Thanks!
post #4 of 28
JJ's correct. Only a few dealers had access to the custom.

There are two Porsches. One is an original 2002/03 5 Star and the other is a P60 SC Racing. The graphics are very similar...the best way to tell them apart is to look at the dimensions. From what I'm told, these were never intended to be sold in North America.
post #5 of 28
I think most of the Porsche skis came into the States via some Canadian E-bay shops. I also thought the Porsche slalom ski was actually a P50 Slalom Carver not a P60 or even a P50 SC Racing. If you look at the dimensions, you'll see they are the same as the P50 Slalom Carver.
post #6 of 28
Thread Starter 
Amazing how fast the responses came!

Very very cool.

Thank you!
post #7 of 28
One thing jjdow seems to know very well is Volkl's line past and present and he seems quite willing to share that knowledge with those that ask.
post #8 of 28
Haven't skied only anything else since my first P9 SL in 1989, but I might be tempted by some of the new Stockli Lasers.
post #9 of 28
Thread Starter 
jjdow,

Can you recommend a ski and length?

Weight 250, Hopefully will get down to 220. Recent partial meniscus removal has delayed this process.

Choices: 7-24 exp/pro or p60 GC/SC racing?

Ski in the east on trail, primarily a "home hill". Usually two trips to Quebec, but may get out west for a week each year.

An FIS legal Dynastar speed 66 @ 184 is already in the quiver. Salomon 10 3v @ 176, but it's getting old and soft. May acquire Omecarve 10 @165.

I demo'd the P60 custom and Exp. Preferred the EXP at low speed. It felt more versatile. I've no knowledge of the Pro or SC.
post #10 of 28
I'm willing to defer to jj but in New Zealand the p60 custom was a way for volkl to bring in the p60 "slalom carver". (As opposed to the "sc racing" or "sc race")

The "slalom carver" is generally a european targeted slalom ski with less sidecut than the sc racing but more than the rc racing.

As for the porsche, they are incorrectly listed as a p60 with a topsheet. It's not true, with a ruler we determined that the ski we recieved was in fact a p50.

But then again, it skied well.
post #11 of 28
Well, as everyone will tell you on this board, you should demo the different lengths and you may even be happy with more than one length in the same model ski. You'd definitely use a different size between the models you've mentioned as they are all very different types. That said, I would check out the SC in a longer length given your size: 170cm, especially if you don't intend to strictly race slalom with it. I ski Volkl Slalom Carvers in 170 and 177 and I'm about 205 lbs. In the GC, I'd check out the 178 and 183cm and in the Pro, I'd check out the 177 and 184cm, but given your existing quiver and where you usually ski, I'd tend towards an SC.
post #12 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by NZskier
I'm willing to defer to jj but in New Zealand the p60 custom was a way for volkl to bring in the p60 "slalom carver". (As opposed to the "sc racing" or "sc race")

The "slalom carver" is generally a european targeted slalom ski with less sidecut than the sc racing but more than the rc racing.

As for the porsche, they are incorrectly listed as a p60 with a topsheet. It's not true, with a ruler we determined that the ski we recieved was in fact a p50.

But then again, it skied well.
That Custom is a GC not an SC. The Slalom Carver is in between the SC and the RC and seems to be a favorite of the European piste skiers and is not available in the US, which is unfortunate for us Eastern skiers. The P60 Slalom Carver has similar dimensions to the P50 SC Racing, if it isn't the same ski (although I've heard it is softer). You're right about the Porsche being a P50, but a P50 Slalom Carver not a P50 SC Racing. The sidecut is 106-63-93, which are also the dimensions of the Europe-only P60 Motion, which may be the source of the confusion.
post #13 of 28
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Originally Posted by BigE
I demo'd the P60 custom and Exp. Preferred the EXP at low speed. It felt more versatile. I've no knowledge of the Pro or SC.
The Pro probably isn't the best choice if you are staying on the groomed. I would agree that the EXP probably has a little more low-speed versatility than the GC Race, but I prefer the GC because it is far-and-away a better choice for cruising the groomed at speed. The SC is tons of fun, but it's a workout to make that many turns over the course of a whole day.

Asterisk: I'd go for the EXP if you ski any bumps. There's metal in the GC Racing, but there isn't any in the EXP.
post #14 of 28
Thread Starter 
jjdow:

Thank you for your thoughts... I'll try to find some demos when the season rolls in.

I think you are right, hard snow and small Eastern hills would probably be more fun on an SC.
post #15 of 28
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Originally Posted by troutman
The SC is tons of fun, but it's a workout to make that many turns over the course of a whole day.
I bet it's not that much of a workout if he gets it in the longer 170cm length, although it will be more work than the GC. A shop owner in Verbier told me: GC go short, SC go long if you want to use it for other than strict racing (i.e., cruising, all-mountain on hardpack). However, I will agree that the P60 SC Racing has a bit more sidecut than my P50 SC Racing, which is between the P60 GC and P60 SC in sidecut dimensions.
post #16 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjdow
That Custom is a GC not an SC.
There is more than one Custom. Though the P60 Custom was the only one "available" (if you can call it that) in the US last year, other "Customs" exist, including a Supersport Custom, which we may just see in North America next season.
post #17 of 28
What do you guys know about the Stockli limited models like the blue Special Edition (a Laser SC with a previous year's sidecut?) and the very expensive black slalom ski they had last season?
post #18 of 28
Thread Starter 
jjdow, dunno about the stockli.

When you say SC, I assume you mean SC race, and not SC Slalom Carver. Is that so?

Cheers!
post #19 of 28

"sc"

In terms of Volkl, here's what I understand they've used to designate their slalom skis (you'll see one year's "SC" becomes the next year's "Slalom Carver" and one year's "Slalom Carver" became the next year's "Motion"):

'05
P60 SC Race Stock 116-64-99
P60 SC Racing 120-64-107
P60 Slalom Carver 113-64-100

'04
P60 SC Race Stock 113-64-97
P60 SC Racing 120-64-107
P60 Slalom Carver 111-63-99
P60 Motion 106-63-93

'03
P50 SC Race Stock 113-64-97
P50 SC Racing 111-63-99 or 110-63-96 (I've seen both)
P50 Slalom Carver 106-63-93

'02
P50 Slalom Carver 106-63-93

Other companies also use the SC designation, such as the Stockli Laser SC, which up until next season, when it gets a more slalom style sidecut, seems to have been more of a GC ski.
post #20 of 28
The graphics on the 2005 P60 Custom win my vote for best graphics of the year. I love that wood grain look. Also, the lettering reminds me of a '67 Impala. Very retro. It is a shame for someone to drill the P.C.O.S. into that ski. In fact, I know a guy who placed a pair of 2004 Piston motions on them just to keep the graphic "clean." This ski is a true classic.
post #21 of 28
Thread Starter 
jjdow,

Thanks for the details. There's quite a lot more than meets the eye ... never thought I'd open this can of worms.
post #22 of 28
JJ,

Any comments on the 2005 P60 SC Racing at 160cm with dimensions of 116-64-104 (the 165 has 120-64-107) ?

I'm 6 foot and 200 pound so might be to tall for the 160cm but I'm only looking for ultra short carved turns so not to worried about speed wobbles.

Lots of reviews on the web for the 2005 P60 SC 'Race' but not for the SC 'Racing'.

Your thoughts?
post #23 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by NZskier
JJ,

Any comments on the 2005 P60 SC Racing at 160cm with dimensions of 116-64-104 (the 165 has 120-64-107) ?

I'm 6 foot and 200 pound so might be to tall for the 160cm but I'm only looking for ultra short carved turns so not to worried about speed wobbles.

Lots of reviews on the web for the 2005 P60 SC 'Race' but not for the SC 'Racing'.

Your thoughts?
I haven't yet tried the P60 SC Racing (non-WC) version, but I can tell you that the P50 Slalom Carver and P50 SC Racing were great skis for skiing on hardpack. They are surprisingly stable, yet turn on a dime and I'm skiing them "long" (177 and 170 respectively). The P60 version has a much more radical sidecut, which is more radical than the P60 SC W.C., too.

If you just want something for ultra carved turns, maybe you should consider a Hypercarver like the Stockli Raver XXP or a Volkl FunCarver (I don't know if they make these anymore - they were only available in Europe, where they had a bunch of these for demos and had special slopes with stop lights at the crossings! Maybe the newer P60 SC Racing with such a radical sidecut makes the FunCarvers redundant).
post #24 of 28
Quote:
Originally Posted by jjdow
If you just want something for ultra carved turns, maybe you should consider a Hypercarver like the Stockli Raver XXP or a Volkl FunCarver (I don't know if they make these anymore -
Volkl Fun Carver doesn´t exist since 2000/2001, F5 energY and F4 since 2001/2002. Raver XXP disappeared after this past season but some pairs left might still be available.
The older Volkl funcarvers can´t cope with the newer slalom skis. The best, F31, had modest dimensions 108-65-95. Funny enough, the present "GS" (Racetiger GS Racing) has 110-67-96 or 108-67-94.
post #25 of 28

volkl P50 F1 GS race interface

hey folks,
looks like this would be a good thread to drop into for info on this ski.
i read that this ski's energYrail interface requires a marker binding (non MMR).
if so, does anyone know what my my binding choice might be limited to?
thanks in advance...
mL
post #26 of 28
I just bought a pair of the P60 Custom with wood looking top sheet, they are a rare commodity for sure. They came with Marker Motion Custom AT bindings, cannot wait to test them out, I was going to go to Mt. Tremblant but all the liftees and operations people (1,500) are on strike, so no one is going on the lifts for a while
post #27 of 28
Is this ski worth anything today? I'm thinking about bidding on ebay..
post #28 of 28
FWIW, here's a pic of my daughters Porsches. They are 156 cm long and have side cut dimensions of about 105-63-92.


Before she got these skis, my daughter was very frustrated by doing the right things, but not having her skis respond properly when she would try to carve turns. She also felt like her rental skis would chatter and vibrate uncontrollably at speed, and I had to spend a lot of time waiting for her to catch up and wondering why she was hesitant on some steeper pitches.

Getting these skis fixed all those problems. She really liked getting skis that did what they were told to (takes after her dad). They are a lively ski and stable at reasonable speeds. The only thing they are not great at is skiing refrozen crud and thick coral reef with basetball-sized death cookies; they feel too light and brittle in that stuff. Daughter says they are not good in crud (the crud was very frozen). I can see why not.

I think they were specially designed as some sort of engineering contest and sold as expensive boutique skis. They are similar to the P50 slalom Carver from 2002.
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