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post #31 of 39
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Originally Posted by Dark Horse
I have never heard of a "supercross" race either; I think someone has confused a brand name (Atomic's Supercross) with ski cross, the event. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
You are perfectly right.
This was the third point I wanted to add but somehow forgot to.

Btw, the confusion shows how successful Atomic with the Supercross label was.
post #32 of 39
@Atown and everyone wondering about his reaction.
Yes, for 90% off all Skicross races in Europe this is true. The same will probabely apply for the States too. Why? Because they are build for Snowboarders. It is not true for any FIS World Cup Skicross!
post #33 of 39
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I was refering to skier cross (as seen on TV) Interesting event. The event has transitions like GS and SG. Banked truns, jumps, and you need a stable platform to contend with other competitors pushing you around and taking away your line.
I guess there would not be a perfect ski for all the situations you would encounter on a Skier cross course. But at the end of the day you would want to be fast and stable on a down hill line. A GS ski would be a good trade-off? Cross style ski's delevered to the public had made sense to me. (GS construction with shorter turn radius) But if posts here are to be taken as fact (I belive) Cross racers are on the same race equipment as GS (With manufacturer overlaying cross ski graphics) to keep the ignorent public forking up big$$ to buy fake race equipment.

MTT
post #34 of 39
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Originally Posted by MTT
But if posts here are to be taken as fact (I belive) Cross racers are on the same race equipment as GS (With manufacturer overlaying cross ski graphics) to keep the ignorent public forking up big$$ to buy fake race equipment.

MTT
Yep - but then lots of people here are sure that the GS skis you can buy are not, in fact, what the top skiers are running . . . . . so the whole GS race line would be fake, as well as the SX lines.

Interestingly, this year Snow and Rock (big snowsports chain in the UK) is selling most of the racing stuff with the two words "Race Dept" tacked on to the end. Much cloak and dagger, hush hush, "handmade, individually matched", etc etc . . . . . and quite expensive. £679 for a pair of GS:11M Race Dept skis.
Just wondering whether those are the real deal, or more public-only versions?
post #35 of 39
Supercross is a marketing term, and there is no standard for this style of ski. This style of ski is not what wins Skier Cross Races. Atomic has made (in the race room) GS skis with Supercross graphics, so don't be fooled. Here is my take on the situation.

A supercross skis is a cross between a GS and a SL ski. There is no race event for which these skis are designed. This style of ski makes a great all mountain (for hardpack) ski for anybody who wants racy performance, but wants something in between a SL and GS. The Atomic SX11 is one of the best examples of this as is the Head iXRC. Two very important things to remember. They are designed to ski in in between lengths. Don't get one in your GS length because you want a GS with more sidecut, you must shorten it up or they won't work right. Second, for a Masters Racer who does not need FIS legal skis, these may be the fastest skis for GS. The more elite the ski racer, the more they will want a real GS ski.

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Originally Posted by MTT
In other threads I have seen many describe Supercross Ski's as a GS Ski. I belive there is a difference. Example Atomic SXB5 /SX11 Turn raidious is less than a GS ski but more than an SL or all Mountain. Why do manufactures make a Supercross and GS ski??
post #36 of 39
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Originally Posted by jjdow
I don't know, maybe it's the tune, but I've skied the 170cm Volkl P50 SC Racing all out with large radius turns and they felt rock solid without the tip forcing the turn. I equate a feeling of stability without a twitchy tip that allows different turn radii with a ski not being nervous, am I wrong?

Do all slalom skis have torsion box construction over laminate construction? A guy at one of the race-oriented shops at Killington told me the current P60 SC World Cup ski was a laminate.
Your shop friend is right. In the past that was not true but technology has changed the old rules. Tried to find my info on Volkl racing skis but could not.

I have skied a pair of Volkl 5 stars (182cm) for the past 2 seasons (SX11s last season only) and the SX11s have better edge hold on hard snow in my opinion. Both are great sks and the 5 stars are more versatile but if I want pure performance on hard snow I chose the SX11s.

BTW, my SX11s are only 170s.

Also, tried the B5SX in a 175 and really like that ski. A slightly longer turn radius and according to the Atomic reps, not as race oriented as the SX11s. Selling my 5 stars, giving the SX11s to my son and will probably get a pair of B5SX or Volkl Allstars for next season.
post #37 of 39
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Originally Posted by foothillsskiandbike
Supercross is a marketing term, and there is no standard for this style of ski. This style of ski is not what wins Skier Cross Races. Atomic has made (in the race room) GS skis with Supercross graphics, so don't be fooled. Here is my take on the situation.

A supercross skis is a cross between a GS and a SL ski. There is no race event for which these skis are designed. This style of ski makes a great all mountain (for hardpack) ski for anybody who wants racy performance, but wants something in between a SL and GS. The Atomic SX11 is one of the best examples of this as is the Head iXRC. Two very important things to remember. They are designed to ski in in between lengths. Don't get one in your GS length because you want a GS with more sidecut, you must shorten it up or they won't work right. Second, for a Masters Racer who does not need FIS legal skis, these may be the fastest skis for GS. The more elite the ski racer, the more they will want a real GS ski.
You are right. I was a little puzzled when this type of ski was first marketed. The market for true racing skis is limited and the market for skier cross skis is even more so. There is a big market for better skiers for a hard snow, non racing ski.

After trying them I found them to be the ideal ski for an advanced to expert skier for midwestern/eastern conditions. I had skied nothing but racing skis (retail and race room versions) for 40 years but found that the SX11 type ski gave me the best of both worlds (slalom and GS) and much more versatility in turn shapes.

I have posted comments about this type of ski numerous times and always describe them as GS type skis with a deeper side cut than a true GS race ski. Started out skiing them about the same length as a GS ski but have found that they work best skied in a shorter length (170-175 for me) and give away little in stability for free skiing.
post #38 of 39
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Originally Posted by foothillsskiandbike
Atomic has made (in the race room) GS skis with Supercross graphics, so don't be fooled.
Another variation on the theme? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...6292 453&rd=1

Looks pretty cool. Posting the link because I can't justify buying it myself ... but hope someone here can put it to good use.
post #39 of 39
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Originally Posted by foothillsskiandbike
Atomic has made (in the race room) GS skis with Supercross graphics, so don't be fooled. Here is my take on the situation.
Atomic has also made Supercross skis with GS graphics; the GSX of a couple of years ago.
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