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post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
Here's the deal: I am a big skier, 240lbs, 6'1". I have a set of 180cm hard carving atomic skis (pre-ski cross but same shape) and I am thinking of picking up a second pair. I realized that my current skis, besides getting old, are weak when the powder gets deep or when the crud gets too thick since they're quite flexible. I recently discovered the terrain park and hike-to bowl skiing, and cannot decide which one is more fun.

I am drooling over most of the different models of twin tip mid fat skis, but for the life of me I cannot find any feedback beyond "seth pistols rock!" (I kind of agree, they look cool.) I was wondering if anyone here has any insight into these ski types or skis a similar setup. I was thinking about something with an 80ish cm waist in a 180, but have no clue about which ski has a stiffness suited for my build or if that's really the best length or shape to float me on powder respectibly while retaining some jumping and maneuverability. I really do want twin tips, I want to be able to land switch and like fruiting around skiing backwards cruising easy runs with the wife and friends. I don't mind heavier skis, my legs are strong enough and I'm big enough that I don't usually notice them. We're starting to kick around the idea of an early January trip to snowbird so I've been seriously thinking about adding a deep powder friendly ski.

In summary:
Big skiier looking for twin tip ski to do crazy stuff and probably cripple myself on in bowls, parks, and deep powder. Already has skis that handle excellently on groomers, moguls, ice, and arizona rock snow.

ps. I tried that newfangled search button, but all the entries on twin tip seem to pull threads about skis for someone's 115lb kid. I can't discount my being retarded for the reason I didn't find a relevant thread however.
post #2 of 20
For what you describe, I'd probably suggest a pair of Pistols


I was in more or less the same boat as you (Atomic supercross ski, wanted something for park and powder), but am much smaller and lighter - I went for the K2 Public Enemy. Basically the Pistol's little brother - not so monstrous, more park-oriented. Think the Pistol's a 95mm waist, the PE is an 80mm waist . . . . . but for proper floating for big people, 80mm might not be enough.


Something else to look at would be the Salomon Pocket Rocket - but according to legend that's not as aggressive as the Pistol.

Another in the same category is the Rossi Scratch BC - seen a few people enjoying those, but haven't really heard much about them.

Anyway, there's some alternatives to investigate
post #3 of 20
Thread Starter 
I guess this is a big list of the skis I'm eying.

Rossignol SCRATCH BC
Sidecut: 122 - 90 - 115
Radius: 21.3 m (182)
Size: 176-182-188

K2 Seth Pistol
DIMENSIONS..... 128/95/118
SIDECUT..... 14mm
RADIUS..... 23m @ 189
SIZES..... 159, 169, 179, 189

K2 Public Enemy
DIMENSIONS..... 113/80/104
SIDECUT..... 14mm
RADIUS..... 20m @ 179
SIZES..... 159, 169, 179

Atomic Stomp
Dimensions: ?/88/?
Sidecut:
Radius: 24m @ 186
Sizes: 176/186

Salomon Pocket Rocket
Dimensions: 122/90/115
Sidecut:
Radius: 17m @ 175
Sizes: 165, 175, 185

Volkl Karma
sizes 169, 177, 185
sidecut 119-87-111
radius 22.4 m at 185 cm

Head Mad_Trix Mojo
Length: 166/176/186
Sidecut: 125/90/118
Radius: 22.4m @186

Elan MO2
Length: 135-185
Sidecut: 175:118/78/106 185:120/80/108

Fischer Big Stix 8.0
SIDECUT: 112-80-104
RADIUS: 25m/L180
LENGTHS: 170, 180
post #4 of 20
Love the screen name, Big Jim. Kentucky Fried Movie is one of my favorites!
post #5 of 20
I agree that the Pistols look cool, but at you're weight I think you'll find them a little soft if you ski them hard. Same with the 8.0. I'm a big guy myself, and if I was picking from your list I'd be choosing between the Public Enemy and the Mojo.
post #6 of 20
Coach

Isn't he a bit too heavy for PE. I don't know the MOJO.

I like the Karma, but I like Volkl.
post #7 of 20
don't get the pocket rockets, at your weight you'd turn them into noodles in half a season.
post #8 of 20
The Scratch BC is a nice ski...so is the Karma. You should look into the Volkl Mantra too
post #9 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach13
I agree that the Pistols look cool, but at you're weight I think you'll find them a little soft if you ski them hard. Same with the 8.0. I'm a big guy myself, and if I was picking from your list I'd be choosing between the Public Enemy and the Mojo.
So - the PE is a harder, bigger ski than the Pistol? :
post #10 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by bgp
So - the PE is a harder, bigger ski than the Pistol? :
Not "bigger", but definitely stiffer.
post #11 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Coach13
Not "bigger", but definitely stiffer.
I never would have thought that . . . . .

Now while I know my PE's are a very multi-talented ski, and I'm very happy with them . . . . I didn't think they'd fit as a hike-to backcountry type ski, I was intending to look for something else for that maybe next year to move up to.

So - at 5'5" and 135lbs, what are the chances of a 159 PE working well in that area?


(I know, I'm tiny - my other pair of skis, as previously mentioned, is a pair of SX:11s in 160 . . . .which either debunks another myth or makes me quite an aggressive skier )
post #12 of 20
I'm 6' 2", 190 lbs.

The new Seth Vicious replaces the Pistol and is stiffer. I got them yesterday and will ski them next weekend (I'm working this weekend). The other stiff twin tip I know of is the Volkl Karma. I also have the Dynastar Legend Pro which actually has a fairly upturned tail. It's not la true twin like the aforementioned K2 but far most than most tails and it's very stiff: good for aggressive, heavier skiers.

The Karma will have the narrowest waist; the K2 and Dynastar are 98 and 97mm, respectively.

I have the 179 Pistol from this year and I think it's great in powder and slush but edge hold is mediocre (mounted 0, I should have gone + 3) and they are a bit flappy at speed. Soft for me and probably a joke for you.

My favorite skis are the Volkl Explosiv (not a twin) and the Legend Pro.
post #13 of 20
Big Jim, at your weight and size (height), if you think you can handle em, the 189 Vicious (or even an old Pistol) would be better than a 179. There is a great deal more core material in the 189 than in the 179 (something like doubles in size, I cannot remember the specifics).

You mentioned earlier in your posts that you were looking for 80ish mm waist, but these fat twins like the Vicious (Pistol), Gotama (and I think Karma, but I'm not sure what the 05-06 specs are), Legend Pro, PE's, Mojo's, PR's are all in the 90mm and above catagory.

Something to keep in mind is the new PE has bumped up to an 85mm waist, and coming from a narower ski, you may be more comfortable in the 80 range. Also, do you have any intentions of using these skis on the harder pack? Or are these basically going to be a quiver ski to you (something you break out for specific conditions only)?

Now for a bit more feedback about the ski, I have 03-04 Pistol's, 179cm and around 250 lbs, skis mounted +3cm. Unless you are used to them, the first thing you notice, these things are big. When on hardpack, because of the sidecut, these skis just loved to roll onto edge and just cruise. When doing anything other than a natural turn for the ski, I found that you really did have to power the ski, you have to make it do what you wanted it to. The thing that stuck into my mind the most though, was the way the ski torques your lower legs when its on edge on hardpack (it want to be flat-ish), but that is something that you can get used to and only happened when on high edge at relatively good speeds on hardpack. Now, suprisingly, I found these to be VERY fun skis in the bumps, while they are not a zip-line ski by any means, these were just a blast to go exploring through the bump field, but do expect to need to take a "non-orthodox" line through the bumps (I did a lot of trough hopping and jump turns). Now in powder (even as little as 6 inches) I loved these skis. They skied totally different, almost like a finesse ski, turns felt smooth and rythmic and almost like a “think about the turn and they turn” type ski. Overall they were very capable on the hard-pack, but had some limitations (as to be expected with a ski of that size) but they truly shined in the softer snow and were also very comfortable in the air and landings. Needless to say I have already ordered 189cm Vicious's as well for this upcoming season.

The PE’s, well I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, I feel that with the 80 mm waist (03/04 and 04/05) it was the best bang for the buck ski on the market. In my opinion it was a phenomenal ski. The only thing I felt it lacked was a little ice hold, but overall I bought the ski as a toy ski, planning to use it for just park, and was so impressed with it overall that it became my go to ski. The PE’s did everything I asked, did it well and never complained. Now with the 05/06, I up’ed my size to the 179cm and kept my +3cm mounting and I can tell its still a great ski but it is different. You can feel a little bit of torque from the 85mm waist in some conditions, where as I never felt it on 80mm waisted PE’s. Now I never truly got the 05/06’s dialed in just right, but it was quickly proving itself to be just as competant a ski as the previous PE’s but will require a little bit of a learning curve to get it dialed in. Keep in mind I only had a chance to ski my 0/06 PE’s 2 times (maybe 8 hours total) in late season conditions.

I’ve also skied the Scratch BC’s, and while they weren’t that bad in the bottomless stuff, they felt a little too soft, and on the hardpack, I just did not like the way they turned.

Hopefully, other people can provide more info from personal experience about the other skis on your list.
post #14 of 20
Thread Starter 
awesome post, thank you.
post #15 of 20
Jim,

I am skiing the Mojos in a 186 length. They go well in the pow and any soft snow conditions. Although they come with some stiffness for a twin their edgehold on hard snow isn't impressive. But if you really want to hit the park too they may be your way to go - they are some sort of compromise. At your hight and weight I would not consider going anywhere below 180 in length.
post #16 of 20
pocket rocket
post #17 of 20
Since the Fischer Big Stix 8.0 is no longer made (well, sort of, different top sheet and different sidewalls now), I highly recommend the '05-'06 Fischer Atua. The dimensions are 129-96-119 at 186cm. Stiffer than the Scratch BC and Pocket Rocket, but with a full wood core that won't die after 30 days. Full twin-tip, vertical sidewalls, definitely a burly ski. Quite a bit stiffer than the Pistols (which are now the Seth Viscious and wider).
post #18 of 20
Thread Starter 
I've developed a schoolgirl crush on the idea of slapping a downhill binding on a pair of Black Diamond Havoc's in 186cm. Have I gone totally nuts? The AT bindings looked awesome, except that I fear I would smash them.
post #19 of 20
Greetings...

How did you like your seths...last month??? read your inital message and am considering buying a pair...I am 6' 200lbs...expert level....do you think I should consider size 169? or larger? due to the increase girth thisyear...I don't want to go too long....and go into a larger radius.... I have read all the mumbo jumbo online at all the sites on teh new 06's...like there "really easy to turn with the new progressive sidecut"....sounds very intriquing....can you shed some light on them? Thanks..

Ken Jones has the new model with Salomon bindings for 599.00 which is pretty damn good...if they ski well

Me: Expert 6' 200lbs...comfortable in P-5, Huevo's Grande or Hangmans...max out the ability when entering Felipes...(Mammoth...assume you know these - saw you live up the road in Tahoe)

Anyway..thanks in advance for any advice..on the 06 Seth's/.....


Sorry for all the questions...but it sounds like you had the similar thing in mind...would love to hear how it went...
post #20 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim S
I'm 6' 2", 190 lbs.

The new Seth Vicious replaces the Pistol and is stiffer. I got them yesterday and will ski them next weekend (I'm working this weekend). The other stiff twin tip I know of is the Volkl Karma. I also have the Dynastar Legend Pro which actually has a fairly upturned tail. It's not la true twin like the aforementioned K2 but far most than most tails and it's very stiff: good for aggressive, heavier skiers.

The Karma will have the narrowest waist; the K2 and Dynastar are 98 and 97mm, respectively.

I have the 179 Pistol from this year and I think it's great in powder and slush but edge hold is mediocre (mounted 0, I should have gone + 3) and they are a bit flappy at speed. Soft for me and probably a joke for you.

My favorite skis are the Volkl Explosiv (not a twin) and the Legend Pro.

Greetings...

How did you like your seths...last month??? read your inital message and am considering buying a pair...I am 6' 200lbs...expert level....do you think I should consider size 169? or larger? due to the increase girth thisyear...I don't want to go too long....and go into a larger radius.... I have read all the mumbo jumbo online at all the sites on teh new 06's...like there "really easy to turn with the new progressive sidecut"....sounds very intriquing....can you shed some light on them? Thanks..

Ken Jones has the new model with Salomon bindings for 599.00 which is pretty damn good...if they ski well

Me: Expert 6' 200lbs...comfortable in P-5, Huevo's Grande or Hangmans...max out the ability when entering Felipes...(Mammoth...assume you know these - saw you live up the road in Tahoe)

Anyway..thanks in advance for any advice..on the 06 Seth's/.....


Sorry for all the questions...but it sounds like you had the similar thing in mind...would love to hear how it went...:
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