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Atomic Metron B5 or Atomic SX B5

post #1 of 22
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Hi I am 5'6 and about 165lb weight. I'm going to by a new pair of ski.Could you please tell me what would be best :MetronB5 or SXB5.
Thanks!
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post #2 of 22
I ski Atomic SX11's They a Stiff, ski. You have to really stay on them all the time. I like them but they wear you out. I hear from someone who has them that SXB5 is more of the same. They are for Big guys who ski hard (Agressive) all the time. So my short answer is SXB5 is not your ski. Also MetronB5 and SX are designed to do differnt things, what type of skiing are you looking to do?

MTT
post #3 of 22
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Originally Posted by MTT
I ski Atomic SX11's They a Stiff, ski. You have to really stay on them all the time. I like them but they wear you out. I hear from someone who has them that SXB5 is more of the same. They are for Big guys who ski hard (Agressive) all the time. So my short answer is SXB5 is not your ski. Also MetronB5 and SX are designed to do differnt things, what type of skiing are you looking to do?

MTT
I'm 5'5 and 150lbs on a good day - I ski SX:11's in 160. It's more than possible to do if you're short and light, but you have to ski very aggressively. If you do, and the snow's good, then they are an absolute dream . . . . .

Make no mistake about it, though, they are Hard Work on a bad day. They were my only ski for a couple of years, and I got used to them - but unless the snow suits them, I've now retired them in favour of a more balance all-mountain ski. I still miss the grip, though.


The Metron B5 is supposed to be another hard carver on-piste, but is wide enough to float very well off-piste - meant to demo a pair but never got around to it. Anyone?
post #4 of 22
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Originally Posted by MTT
Also MetronB5 and SX are designed to do differnt things, MTT
I have often heard this statement, and equally often folks nod in agreement.

Here is a question, a good answer for which has always eluded me. What different things are Metron and SX designed to do?
post #5 of 22
OK:

I going to give the (Whats the difference between SXB5 and Metron B5) a shot.

Metron b5 is an all mountain ski
Statment about this ski from another web site
(This is a phenomenally versatile ski. One of the best all around skis we have yet seen. Anyone above level 7 should test this ski. Period. Responds best to clean carving technique, but will still forgive a certain amount of skidding. The 162 is extremely stable and we even skied in in powder with great results. The most "Swiss Army Knife-like" of all versatile, do-it-all skis. )

The Atomic SXB5 is a Supercross Compitition ski.
(I think I need to find a good definition of what makes a good Supercross ski)?
Statments from other Websites about this ski.
This is a competition-worthy cross ski. Demanding, requires energy and powerful input for best results. SX:10 and 9 are probably more enjoyable "all-day" skis.

One other Main differnce between SXB5 and SX11 versus Metron B5 is the race base on the SX. I guess the race base slides better on snow? I connot really tell, they are fast when waxed correctly. What I can tell you about having the Atomic (Racing base) is that it is very thin!! mabee half the thikness of a recreational ski. I had core shots 3 times this past winter on my SX11's. I do not belive I would have had torn a recreational (All mountain Expert) ski to the core a single time under the same conditions.

My description of skiing a Supercross ski.
They respond very quickly to Hard direct input. Turn initiation is immitdiate (shocking) from moderate speed up. When moving a moderate speed you can maintain or modify your line with micro weight changes. If you can handle the load (G force) they put on your body you can maintain a line through varing terain (ruts,bumps, soft to ice). Its a really fun ride.
The problem is you alway have to tell these ski's where they are going and hold them on a line. Relax, and flatem them out?? they will take off somewhere!! But where? YARD SALE.

MTT
Hope this helps.
post #6 of 22
How do you think the Metron compares to the Volkl Supersport 6 Star (or new All Star)?
post #7 of 22
I have never been on the Metrons:

But I did spend a day on 6 Stars 176? (the 2003 version) I was @ Park City Mountain Resort Late Nov 2003. They were good in 10" light powder. I liked them on broken powder speed runs. Loose snow on cruser runs were fun. Broken pow on bump fields were fun. When they opened the Jupiter Chair I hiked up and took a run down Juno bowl. Pow was knee deep (I ski submarine turns) in powder. They moved around nice. But!! Later in the day I started to really push them over uneven terrain and found that @ a real good speed (40 to 60 MPH) bumps or changes in snow condition would cause the ski to change its turn shape. The shovels of the ski had a tendency to dig in and grab while doing a high g turn. Decreasing turn raidius without my input. I did not like that. I decided @ that time not to buy them because my current k2 FOUR 88's were a better ski for me at that time.

MTT
post #8 of 22
Alot of this comes down to the shape of the ski. The Metron B5 is an SL shaped ski with a waist of 76mm that makes its darn good in all conditions I've put it in (including stashes of wind blown that are 2-3 feet deep or carving on hardpak). The tip and tail are so wide that the ski turns the second you put it on edge and with its radius of 11m its a very turny ski. Throw in the torsional rigidity and you've got an amazing all around ski. If you like to make lots of short turns all over the mountain then the M:B5 just rocks. If you perfer charging down the groomers in a more GS style then SX or 6 Star are probably better suited for that purpose (although the M:B5 is quite capable of GS type turns and it rips on the groomers).
post #9 of 22
I own both then SX11 Super Cross in a 180 & the 05/06 B5 Metron in a 172.

The metron hands down is a much more versatile ski. It will pretty much ski anywhere, anytime, in any conditions with amazing aplomb!

I have skied it 5 days in Utah. Skied everything form hardpack, trees, bumps, chopped up powder to 3 feet of new at Snowbird & Deer Valley & Snowbasin. Nothing short of amazing.

I skied it one day at our home mountain on refrozen groomed slush with ball bearings and absolute hard as a rock groomed. (North Facing Slopes) Skied the ball bearings like it was groomed. Held like a race ski on the extreme hard. It makes many different turn shapes and can be extremely quick edge to edge or make big GS turns.

Also skied it at sSun Peaks in a 162 & 172. It was down right hard, hard, hard & fast. The B5's were nothing short of amazing. They hold on hard snow & ice amazing well and on the 162 I could keep up with my son on his 186cm World cup Atomic GS11's. (He is 19 & 6'1" & 225lbs.) (I am 6'0" 190 Lbs.)

I skied the B5's the last 3 days at Whistler. Absolutely hard as a rock refrozen groomed slush on Emerald in the morning and all day on the Saddle of the Peak chair. The B5's did everything I asked and more with grace and confidence inspiring edge hold. Also skied all kinds of off piste corn and bumps over on Harmony Bowl & the Horseshoes. The skis were absolutely amazing. They even made the slush with piles of slush build up fun!

The Super cross series is a great ski, but it's main purpose is skiing hard, groomed GS turns. In essence it is a GS race ski.

I love my SX11 for very fast groomed skiing. They have a very high speed limit and are much more demanding than many skis. They are OK in up to 4-5" of powder. I can also make them perform extremely well in smaller moguls, but they are demanding.

In closing, you are really comparing two non comparable skis.

If you want a GS race ski with a smaller turn radius for hard pack groomers & masters racing, go SXB5. If you want a true do it all jack of all trades, all mountain ski, that gives up nothing on hard snow or crud, pow or anything in between, go B5 Metron!
post #10 of 22
I think Atomicman nailed it. B5 Metron is the yardstick for an all mountain all conditions versatile ski. I can't imagine any good skier not loving this ski. OK , maybe if you're spending the majority of your time skiing bumps there's a better choice. The B5 is flat out superb. The M11 isn't too bad either , but the B5 is in its own class.
post #11 of 22
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Originally Posted by stefan_saigau
Hi I am 5'6 and about 165lb weight. I'm going to by a new pair of ski.Could you please tell me what would be best :MetronB5 or SXB5.
Thanks!
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In a nutshell the biggest difference is the radius ,
shortest : MB5 152cm=10m
SCB5 158cm=15m

longest : MB5 172cm=12m
SCB5 182cm=19m

Aside from that they both are powerful skis and poor technique will be forgiven somewhat but will also be magnified.
The SC is a ski that likes speed and is not a ski that most people will even get close to topping out .
I find the MB5 to be a very versatile ski , personally I don't find it to be as slalom like as some describe but I also find the 172cm (longest made) to be short at times. It is in all probability the most versatile ski I have been on and I will say the most fun ski to lay trenches in soft spring mush with . I skied the B5 in thigh deep stuff at Fernie last Mar. and had a pair of Mex's and Sugar Daddy's in the lodge , not once was I disapointed (other than listening to L7 complain about his sore back ).
Best thing you can do with these skis is demo , if you don't there's a good chance you may be making a mistake.
post #12 of 22
I have skied the M10 and bought the M-9 ski as well. Both Metron models were a disapointment compared to a ton of other like skis to choose from. Both are heavy, insansely fun on hard pack, but too stiff for real "all mountain fun". I am 6'0 200lbs and expert level...come to the realization that these day's you can find a non-Metron ski from another manuf. that beats ya up less, but turns, pops and skis more of the mountain, without letting you feel it as much. Metron's would be a distant fourth or fifth...
post #13 of 22
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Originally Posted by bresnahan
I have skied the M10 and bought the M-9 ski as well. Both Metron models were a disapointment compared to a ton of other like skis to choose from. Both are heavy, insansely fun on hard pack, but too stiff for real "all mountain fun". I am 6'0 200lbs and expert level...come to the realization that these day's you can find a non-Metron ski from another manuf. that beats ya up less, but turns, pops and skis more of the mountain, without letting you feel it as much. Metron's would be a distant fourth or fifth...
Why are you discussing the M10 & M9. He didn't ask about those skis and they are obviously much different then the (M11) & B5 metron. Your description is not at all indicative of the M11 or B5 Metron or the SXB5
post #14 of 22
I have skied both MB:5 and SX B5.

With more time spent on them in dïfferent conditions and with a better command of English I would write the same characteristics Atomicman delivers.
post #15 of 22
I've skied the SX11, and enough other skis to know what the changes in design would produce. The SX B5 is another notch up the carve -don't skid, more stiffness more control less forgiveness give me the beef ladder.

If you ski fast on groomed runs and icy conditions as in eastern North America, but want to feel good making shorter radius turns than a GS race ski makes then you want the SX B5; it should be great at quickly snapping off high-g turns and still maintain stability for straighter runs and longer turns.

If you will be skiing in untracked snow, like making short turns and want to give up as little as possible on groomed runs, then the Metron is your ski.

Having skied the sx11 back to back with an old RC4 slalom racing ski and having a lot of experience on SG racing skis, I have to say that the SX11 is not at all demanding or hard to ski. If you know what your doing, the B5 should be easy to ski too, but maybe you should consider the sx11 for recreational skiing as you won't have to ski it quite as fast as the B5 to get it to feel like it's doing what it was made for.
post #16 of 22
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
Why are you discussing the M10 & M9. He didn't ask about those skis and they are obviously much different then the (M11) & B5 metron. Your description is not at all indicative of the M11 or B5 Metron or the SXB5
Why is it OK for you to talk about a ski that wasn't originally asked about(SX11)? Then jump all over someone else for talking about a ski that wasn't originally asked about? Sheesh, get off your pulpit and cut the guy a break, he was just trying to help the OP.
post #17 of 22
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Originally Posted by Bandit2941
Why is it OK for you to talk about a ski that wasn't originally asked about(SX11)? Then jump all over someone else for talking about a ski that wasn't originally asked about? Sheesh, get off your pulpit and cut the guy a break, he was just trying to help the OP.
I don't own a pulpit, butn you may bow down at your leisure!

I know the SX11 is very similar in characteristic to the SXB5. Obviously from the post the M10 & 9 are nothing like the the B5 Metron!

Additionally, almost all of my post was about the B5 Metron, right on point, not completely about 2 skis no one asked about and has no revelance to the post at all.

You should mind your own beeswax & let breshnahan fight his own battles!

If one is going to post, shouldn't it have some relevance to the thread?
post #18 of 22
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
I don't own a pulpit, butn you may bow down at your leisure!

I know the SX11 is very similar in characteristic to the SXB5. Obviously from the post the M10 & 9 are nothing like the the B5 Metron!

Additionally, almost all of my post was about the B5 Metron, right on point, not completely about 2 skis no one asked about and has no revelance to the post at all.

You should mind your own beeswax & let breshnahan fight his own battles!

If one is going to post, shouldn't it have some relevance to the thread?
All I'm saying is, don't jump all over someone for trying to help by giving his experiences on the "little brother" ski's of the ones asked about. Especially when you did the same thing 3 replies above it.
post #19 of 22
Did you not read my response! Hello?
post #20 of 22
I have owned 2 metron B5 and found them excellent. I tried the Metron M11 and it skied very different then the B5. I would demo before you buy.
post #21 of 22

Sxb5

I have a pair of the SXB5 - i weigh around 175-180. I love them. They are super fast, hold their line, turn really well and just feel powerful. I only had a chance to compare them to the SX11. I preferred the SXB5. I felt it was a little smoother on the longer turns at the higher speeds.

I ski mainly in the East - so I wasn't too concerned about having the deep snow capablilities that the Metron B5 has.

If you are in good shape and have strong legs - I would recommend the SXB5.

I would give the SXB5 a 10, and the SX11 a 9.8 (The SX11 is still a pretty kick-arse ski).
post #22 of 22
If it's any help, I started the following thread:

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread...8&goto=newpost

looking for advice on Volkl's or maybe Atomic's. Lot's of interesting info in the posts, but I ultimately went with the B5SX and have not been disappointed. I did not find them especially unforgiving, twitchy nor hard work - just an incredibly quick ski with amazing hold. I tune my own gear so that helped. Like Clarkenstein, I ski mostly the northeast, so powder capabilities weren’t that big an issue; but I did have a couple of boot top powder days on the skis this year and they worked fine. I'm sure the Metron’s are probably a better bet for pow. I did consider the Metron B5, but the SX matched more of the conditions I was likely to see here in upstate NY and New England. If I had the cash, I'd probably have both in my quiver.
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