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2006 Salomon Foil and Scrambler Hot Ski Review-yeah we got em'

post #1 of 16
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My wife and just bought a pair of both of these 2006 releases from Salomon last week, after having our pocket rockets stolen..(bummer). I loved the Scrambler Hot's in a multitude of terrain on Mammoth..first face run off the top was Hangmans and did so with ease as the ski's newer sidecut enables short or long turns, tight shutes or not. These ski very similar to the scream 10 hot and extra hot from 04/05, but are stiffer and turn quicker,,,,much quicker...17.4 radius vs. the 19.4/19.5 found on the scream 10 (size 175)Where the latter skis suffered at below 10mph in being a bit sluggish, these new replacement scramber hot's...(scream 10 goes away according to Solomon) did great.

The 2006 Foil in the 174 lenght on the other hand was dissapointing..my wife is an expert and found them too soft, but light and very quick to a degree, but too soft..granted..Mammoth this past week got 7-9" and was fairly tracked over...we are looking to sell these now..with only 4 runs on them!! a cost of over 700.00!! Yikes!! The ski did turn on a dime and for a lighter rider, perhaps would work..but overall the ski is a let down to anyone looking for Pocket Rocket performance like experience. (they have Solomon 812 titanium bindings brand new as well) We Will sell for only $500.00-for the package 310-849-2009-there brand new...4 runs.
post #2 of 16
mate
will you send the the foil to australia?
post #3 of 16
I agree with you on the Scrambler Hot. Better edge grip than the xtra hot and much quicker. I ordered a pair and am selling my xtra hots.
post #4 of 16
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Scrambler Hot's

One thing I have had to do on the scramblers, (after calling Salomon and getting some pretty decent advice) is to aggresively detune the tips and tails. I have to tell ya...those tips were sharp as razors all the way up to the rubber tip caps.

I know ya always de tune new skis, but these were razors...once did that..they flowed well...

Good luck with yours...1/4 way through the season, these will be hard to grab...I have skied a ton of skis and these are solid....if you ski big mountains, soft snow and a variety of terrain.

Peace.
post #5 of 16
so will you ship to australia?
post #6 of 16
oh wait
just got your email
cheers mate
post #7 of 16
Has anyone tried the Gun? This should be the Pocket Rocket but in new colors, right?
post #8 of 16
what exactly is the logic behind "detuning" the "tips and tails" of a ski with a sidecut that is designed to have sharp edges the whole running surface?

call me an unfrozen caveman lawyer, but I am baffled by your insistence on doing something that is contrary to the ski's design, and twice as baffled by Sallie's employee suggesting that you do it.

are you a gaper or something?
post #9 of 16
Some skis need to be detuned from the contact point forward, the part of the tip and tail you don't ski on. There is no reason for these areas to be sharp. I,m not sure what bresnahan is talking about, but sometime I very slightly detune a small portion of the tip or tail if they hang up or are grabby/hook. Usually I don't detune the running portion of the ski.
post #10 of 16
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Dear "Gaper",

Nope, in my message, ya only de-tune the tips and tails...ya actually don't utilize the tip or tail's 2-4" ..this is the area of the ski not not touching the snow, but barely..and not having to do with the ski's turning ability, radius, or design. You have never heard of "de-tuning"?

Once you do this, you gently feather another 2" inches, to blend/feather in to the ski's running surface, never actually manipulating the running surface of the ski, but tuning the ski to initatiate even quicker into and out of turns. This is Tuning 101 stuff...

No one ever said to de-tune the running surface folks, just the tips and tails, which were razor sharp all the way to the plastic cap, when they came from the factory last month. (sometimes, depending on manuf. you might get a ski that does not need this..not likely though..just never saw it this sharp before)

Tip: Go into a shop that you trust..buy the head guy at the repair counter a 12 pack and ask him to teach ya, or pull up on line..lots of advise everywhere..all saying what I am saying here.
post #11 of 16
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Exactly what I said...tip and tails only...the Scramblers just had a razor sharp situtation all the way to the plastic tip...sharper than normal..my only point.

No one ever talked about running surfaces...least of all me. Those puppies stay razor sharp...
post #12 of 16
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I called my Salomon Rep. on these. He has told me as of May 10th, that the "gun" only exsists in a few demo's/prototypes and will be avail. in full quantities late August, early Sept.

When I asked him, he stated that the ski will be identical to every dimension and radius as the current Rocket, but have a "slightly different topsheet of material". This last part scares me a bit, but will demo them as my rockets have some miles on them.

Hope this helps..Salomon is really sweet on responding to questions, etc...they will hook you up with you local rep. who thus far has been super responsive...
post #13 of 16
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ps: Color is officially "Gun Metal
Grey with orange labeling" according to Salomon Rep. here in CA.
post #14 of 16
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Nope, in my message, ya only de-tune the tips and tails...ya actually don't utilize the tip or tail's 2-4" ..this is the area of the ski not not touching the snow, but barely..and not having to do with the ski's turning ability, radius, or design. You have never heard of "de-tuning"?

Yeah, we've heard of "de-tuning", but I don't believe it applies to all skis. I have been advised to keep my RX8's sharp from tip to tail, as that enhances the intended characteristics of the ski.
post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by gonzostrike
what exactly is the logic behind "detuning" the "tips and tails" of a ski with a sidecut that is designed to have sharp edges the whole running surface?

call me an unfrozen caveman lawyer, but I am baffled by your insistence on doing something that is contrary to the ski's design, and twice as baffled by Sallie's employee suggesting that you do it.

are you a gaper or something?
Oh, the irony.
But if you don't de-tune, at least you can have an excuse.
post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 
......Gracias
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