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Do they ever check tickets?

post #1 of 38
Thread Starter 
1st off I didn't started this thread to encourage anyone to do anything illegal. Also I always get free season passes so don't count me in as well.

I have heard from my naphews friend(sorry can't give name) that he never pays for his lift ticket. He said he always reuse the same ticket and just tape them to his pant so only the color side would be visible. He never gets caught almost in 2 season now(I wish he would get caught one day)..so it would just shut his smart mouth up.....<<he aways goto a resort in PA that ryhmes with nowhisback>>

I notice that no one check the tickets in the NY,NJ,PA resorts. The chair guys only give chicks perverted looks and thats it. I only notice ONCE that 1 or 2 guys in red with secret service eyes eyeing everyones ticket but they never ask in person. I can give my season pass to someone else and I don't think they would ever check.
post #2 of 38
I skied at Belleayre, Windham and Hunter this season and my ticket was always checked at each lift.

I also skied at Snowbird and Alta in Utah this winter and my lift tickets were checked at every lift as well as at the Tram. My tickets were also checked at the cross over link between the two resorts at the top of the mountain to make sure you had a combo ticket to ski both resorts - if you didn't - you couldn't go from one resort to the other.
post #3 of 38
You're not likely to be successful with this approach.
post #4 of 38
This sounds suspicious to me. I know of one hill in PA (rhymes with glue fountain) that scans your ticket with a barcode scanner each time you go 'on' the snow. They have a fence, and a pathway that funnels people to the entrances, and that's where they scan it.

And a second hill, (rhymes with milk fountain) that posts a guy (or gal) at the entrance to the life lines, who really does check tickets. If a ticket is backwards, they'll ask to see it.

And at the hill that rhymes with hamel-whack they also use barcode scanners on weekends, and live ticket-checkers.

Maybe there's some element of a teenagers bragging rights here, he did it once somewhere, and when he tells the story that turns into two years?
post #5 of 38
Thread Starter 
I just hope they catch the kid once and really give him a good scare But kids are alot smarter these days. My nephaw learn things that I can't even imagine when I was at his age.
post #6 of 38
It's stealing, even if he doesn't get caught. :
post #7 of 38
Hey ctown, what's the point? Lots of ODD posts this evening! Must be Halloween.
post #8 of 38
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mkevenson
Hey ctown, what's the point? Lots of ODD posts this evening! Must be Halloween.
Ski seasons out. Girlfriends not around. I sit infront of a computer almost all day if I'm not on the jobsite. stuff happens
post #9 of 38
I noticed the same thing at a mountain by me, that rhymes with "Captain Sneek". Tons of teenage punks get in with out paying for a lift ticket. It bothers me only because the trails would be half as crowded with out them, or atleast the mountain would be making more more money to try and stay open longer.

I have a season pass, and it hardly ever gets checked... though I don't ski there much anymore. I try to stay up in vermont as much as possible.
post #10 of 38
In NZ most of the commerical areas have staff in the queues with bar codes readers, and they scan your ticket as you pass thorugh the queue. We also have multi-day passes, so the scanning allows them to record how many days they are used. They also keeps statistics on how many rides a skier does in a day to help with their pricing.

So old tickets will be picked up and you may be arrested for fraud - my suggestion is to not try it down under, many areas are taking a very hard line on tcickets, also had problems with counterfeit seasons passes.

At areas like Treble Cone access from the base is via one chairlift, a 6 seater. Once you get up the mountain they don't check your tickets, so I guess if you are willing to hike 500 metres in the morning you could ride the upper mountain lifts.
post #11 of 38
At a mountain near me, it rhymes with Whistler, they check once at the bottom with a barcode scanner.
post #12 of 38
At the MOUNTAIN near me, which rhymes with Hilton Teens (which, by the way, is also one of Gonzo's favourite DVDs... ), the liftie at the bottom, and the safety guy at the top, sometimes check your ticket, but more to make sure you haven't been on for more than the time you've paid for.
post #13 of 38
Well, America must be a land full of honest people if there often or even mostly are no scanning-device pass-through lifts!

In Europe, at least in Austria, Germany, probably Switzerland, and countries like Poland, Slovakia and Czech Republic, the system called SKI DATA (or similar) are used in most bigger resorts. The scanning device doesn´t pass you through if your ticket is not valid. Each lift has a display showing the type of ticket and enabling to see which type of ticket is used (e.g. that an adult uses a childrens ticket).
In France (at least a couple of years ago) there are mostly lifties checking visually.

There are some lifts, especially on glaciers, with no scanning pass-through but they are those unaccessible directly but only after using another where the "gate" is.

The problems with cheating include copying the bar-code on a copying machine and (at least I heard this) breaking down the code in the computer and making a copy or so.

And, of course, using another persons season ticket, sometimes with changing the photo on it.

I only experienced a ticket check twice over the last ten years in the Austrian Alps. I heard about tough-looking guys checking them at Pitztal and even comparing the photos and the bearers face. The rumor was the cheating was too extensive then for the management to tolerate it.

The insider info from the big Stubai glacier (Austria) has it that they have as much as 20% of cheaters (mostly using childrens tickets) but they let them go because they are afraid of them choosing another resort where the operator would not be that rigorous.
Even the cheaters spend their money there in restaurants, shops, they hire ski equipment...
post #14 of 38
In France, systematic visual check at the lower lifts. No checking at the higher lifts, as they can't be accessed directly from the resort.
post #15 of 38
With the move to barcode and other ticket scanning (there is even a wrist watch with your ticket/credit card info) ski areas will be stepping up the checking of passes and stepping up the arrests and prosecutions of "Theft of Services"

The GOOD NEWS is that with the new technology we might even see a return of the old single ride ticket. or other short time tickets that have more value for some than buying an "All Day" ticket after 10 AM, skiing for an hour or two, doing lunch, another hour skiing and then off to Mahoghany Ridge.
post #16 of 38
Rarely checked at my mountain. When they are checked, they don't seem to know what they are looking for.

It's not like the old days. People were always trying to get around a ticket. People today have more money so they just pay.
post #17 of 38
Well, in Austria you should be sweet at big lifts with big entrances and many people entering. For passes over 3 days they nearly always upload a digital photo, so they can see your photo and ticket age group + sex when you are passing through. However real checks with people + machine are very rare. Like once every 100 days of skiing you might encounter one. So using not your own ticket will most likely not result in any probs, as long as the age group is consistent and you wear helmet and goggles.

Really small results will only have one skidata machine, so you have to turn them in your season pass to get a ticket. They check if it is you. However once you have this ticket you could give it to a friend and go to the next area nearby.

The machines on the lifts are programmed intelligently, meaning they block your ticket code number in the whole skifield for the time you should be on the lift, then they say double check. However those machines are somtimes so sensitive that you open the gate for the person in front of you, then you will just climb over. This happens to me once daily on average. No probs yet.
post #18 of 38
Mad River they never check, or once in a blue moon. I think I pulled my pass out like twice all season. It is such a family atmposphere though and they are not super expensive I doubt many people cheat them.

Alfonse
post #19 of 38
Also, I noticed not only does Jackson Hole check tickets a ton, but their tickets turn black after a short period of time so you cannot do what was originally refered to in the beginning of this thread. While that may be clever it annoyed me since I like to save important lift tickets and that ruins it.
post #20 of 38
At my local resort, they never check for valid tickets. I have purchased a season pass for the last 3 years and I have yet to be asked to show it ... in 3 years!!!
They do a great job of managing & controlling the liftlines on busy days, but do not care if each skier has a ticket or not.

I have to believe that there are some/many out there who have learned to take advantage of this. With a more active ticket checking policy, they would either increase their revenue (by those who would be willing to pay) or reduce the overcrowding (by keeping those who will not pay off the slopes). Either way, the paying customer would benefit.
post #21 of 38
I saw a kid this season using his friends pass and the ticket checker pulled the pass because it was not him. Kid says to the guy, "Why can't I use the pass." Lift guys says, "Because it is not yours." Duh!! I bet his friend was pissed to find the pass revoked.
post #22 of 38
At our area there is a $20 bounty for the lifties if they snag a cheat. This has STOPPED the problem and they check tickets without being pushy about it (for the most part)--
post #23 of 38
Our area (doesn't rhyme with anything but is the opposite of married man) has turnstiles and magnetic cards. There are still a lot of people using other peoples season passes. I skied with, imagine this, a newfoundland dog's photo on my season pass one year. It only was noticed by one or two lifties, who just laughed. They get a reward for catching cheaters but figured I must look like the doggy boy without the helmet and goggles.
post #24 of 38
For the first time in over 20 years, I purchased lift tickets on a regular basis. I skied at a place in PA that rhymes with Whitetail. When I get my lift tickets, I put them in my pocket because I'm toting a 3 year old, and figure I'll attach the tickets when we are inside changing. However, on at least half of the occasions, I got home and pulled the lift tickets out of my pocket, realizing I forgot to attach them, and noone had checked all day. Actually, after this had happened a few times, I'd intentionally leave them in my pocket so that if they didn't get checked, I didn't have to worry about removing the wicket, and would just toss it in the trash at home. Only once did I have to attach it while waiting in line because they were checking them. That was one of two lift rides all season that my ticket got checked (at this ski area).
post #25 of 38
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Originally Posted by oldtimer
At our area there is a $20 bounty for the lifties if they snag a cheat. This has STOPPED the problem and they check tickets without being pushy about it (for the most part)--
Mammoth was doing the same thing this year off and on with the season passes. However, they were getting complaints that is was holding up the lines so it was an on and off thing.

Mammoth this year had some 30,000+ season ticket holders, mostly weekend warriors, however you can imagine a bunch of lifties wanted to compare a picture to someone dressed with a helmet and goggles, on a max weekend. I did hear they got quite a few season passes throughout the year when they did check.
post #26 of 38
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Originally Posted by Alfonse
Also, I noticed not only does Jackson Hole check tickets a ton, but their tickets turn black after a short period of time so you cannot do what was originally refered to in the beginning of this thread. While that may be clever it annoyed me since I like to save important lift tickets and that ruins it.
Really? I was just cleaning up the garage and found my kid's JH ticket from late February. There was no discoloration on it. Maybe you got a bum ticket?
post #27 of 38
I don't think I've been at an area in years that didn't check tickets reasonably carefully.

A lot of them -- even small areas -- have scanners (barcode or something). Some insist on scanning the ticket every single time through the line.

Where I have a season pass, they check it every day, without fail. They actually look at the photo (they also usually call you by name afterwards, so they're really looking at it). The only weakness is that they usually don't check on "up-mountain" lifts.

Incidentally, using ski area facilities without paying is a crime: it is specifically referred to in the statutes in at least one state. It's a gross misdemeanor, meaning it can be punished by up to a year in jail and a fine of up to $5,000 or both. If the value is over $75, it's a felony.
post #28 of 38
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Originally Posted by ElkMountainSkier
he did it once somewhere, and when he tells the story that turns into two years?
Maybe what he meant was when he was two years old.

BTW, our home mountain frequently inspects just about everyone going on the lift now, even little children. With the printer technology being as good and cheap as it is, I can definitely see how a pass can be easily forged.
post #29 of 38
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfonse
Also, I noticed not only does Jackson Hole check tickets a ton, but their tickets turn black after a short period of time so you cannot do what was originally refered to in the beginning of this thread. While that may be clever it annoyed me since I like to save important lift tickets and that ruins it.


Really? I was just cleaning up the garage and found my kid's JH ticket from late February. There was no discoloration on it. Maybe you got a bum ticket?
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I think it had something to do with sunlight. I took some photography and it looked like what overexposed paper would look like.
post #30 of 38
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Originally Posted by ctown
1st off I didn't started this thread to encourage anyone to do anything illegal. Also I always get free season passes so don't count me in as well.

I have heard from my naphews friend(sorry can't give name) that he never pays for his lift ticket. He said he always reuse the same ticket and just tape them to his pant so only the color side would be visible. He never gets caught almost in 2 season now(I wish he would get caught one day)..so it would just shut his smart mouth up.....<<he aways goto a resort in PA that ryhmes with nowhisback>>

I notice that no one check the tickets in the NY,NJ,PA resorts. The chair guys only give chicks perverted looks and thats it. I only notice ONCE that 1 or 2 guys in red with secret service eyes eyeing everyones ticket but they never ask in person. I can give my season pass to someone else and I don't think they would ever check.
A lot of the big western resorts do prosacute to teh full extent of the law for threft of services. Hope your nephew's friend can afford the bail and the fine, when he does get caught. It's only a matter of time.

Where i used to work, if we caught some one without a pass, we call for a snowmobile ride for them to the nearest ticket office.( and most of them loved the fact that they got a free snomobile ride, so didint mind going to the ticket office) And if by chance we caught them and the slipped away aka escaped, we 'd have patrol at the top escort them down, and have the police waiting with silver bracelets.

I know myself checking tickets sucked. You get to hear all kinds of excuses, but the simple fact is no ticket no ride. My #1 reply to them, i would say if you onwed the resort , wouldn't you want to make sure tickets were being checked, so you didint have any free loaders,, most times they agreed. You do get to know the faces of season pass holders, and for most part they are good about having thier passes on thier body somewhere, but rather than hold the line up, let em go,, they will get checked somewhere else around the mtn.
My faverote time of year to check tickets was spring,,, women love to tease the lifties , telling them they have to find the pass.
One year i had a 17 year old kid , a Utah Native turn 30 differant shades of red, cause he found more than the pass ,under the light jacket this woman was wearing. The woman just smiled and winked at him, you could see his face become flush with embarresment.
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