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Bindings in the Summer

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
I was in our local ski shop a little while ago and was told that I should bring in my skis when done for the year and have them "release" the tension in the bindings. They said this would help prolong the life of the bindings. Then I should bring them in right before Winter and they would set them up again. I am fully aware that you should always have your bindings checked before starting the new season....but I had never heard about adjusting your bindings at the end of the season. Is this a sales ploy...or do you guys do this every year??

post #2 of 18
This has been reccommended for the last 20 or so years. I don't know how necessary it really is from an equipment point of view, but I think it is definitely a sales ploy by the shop. If you are really concerened about it, write down your binding settings for each ski, heel and toe piece, on paper and tape the paper to the respective ski. THEN, loosen the adjustment screws just past the point where the binding reads at its lowest DIN setting. Set your bindings back to the same setting in the late fall and you've saved yourself enough for a decent pair of gloves or goggles. The setting assumes that your weight has not changed by +/- 10 lbs, and that your height has not significantly changed.

For even more savings learn to tune and wax your own skis, waxing is way simple, tuning is only slightly more complicated. Neither is the black magic art that your shop will make you think it is.

When you learn how to maintain your own equipment, you will save enough to buy a new pair of skis every 2-3 years.

[I am not a certified binding mechanic, and do not claim any expertise in the area of either ski bindings or tuning. The above advice is just the practice that I personally follow (or used to; since I quit alpine skiing, binding settings are no longer an issue). I cannot reccomend the above practice to anyone that may read it.]

Edit: I also think that having your bindings checked at the beginning of every season is a sales ploy. DIN charts are available on the internet and included with your bindings before the shop mounts them. Ask for all the supporting documentation for your equipment when you purchase it, they might give you the DIN chart. It's not rocket science.

[ June 19, 2003, 06:20 AM: Message edited by: teledave ]
post #3 of 18
It is a yes and no type question.

I wind down the main springs toe and heel.
I engage the heel cup in the down position. With Atomic bindings, this is when the spring is at the least tension. Other brands may be reverse or the same, I don't know.
I grease everywhere I can without complete disassembly. Toe and heel tracks, worm forward pressure screw, Variozone lever, etc. I have a tube of Atomic binding lube, so I know it is compatible with the plastic components.

I can't say what the shop will do though. Is it required, no. Manufacturers would suggest not doing a summer storage lube and untension, since the bindings will wear out sooner by not doing it. Then a new binding would be required.
post #4 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the advice. I will probably release the tension on the binding myself....but not too confident on setting them back up. I have only been skiing about a year (already a decent intermediate)...so I have LOTS to learn.

thanks for the info guys.
post #5 of 18
nooooo!!!! no no no no no no no no!!!!!!!!! come home right now!! dont get ur binding tension released for the summerr!! thats a horrible idea, if ur bindings are on shaped skis, or are at least less than 7 years old, dont have the tension relased!! i read about that recently somewhere and ill be damned if i can remember where, but what i do remember is that u should just put a warm wax on the base of ur skis and thats it, dont touch the bindings!! if u loosen then it will allow them to stretch out and "relax" a ton and so when u tighten them again a din of 3 will be equal to a din of 20 because the springs will have strectched out so much, u probly wont be able to snap out of ur bindings if u loosen em for the summer, just trust me on this one, dont do it, the springs are designed to be able to withstand a few hundred summers of no use. i mean, do u take the springs out of ur car when ur not using them?? (ok maybe thats a bad example) but u never hear of someone doing that cuz its so absurd, just like loostening your bindings for the summer. they used to loosten bindings way back when for summers, but found it didnt make a difference, and with todays technology, u barely have to worry about em. so ill tell u what, if those guys at the ski shop told u to loosten ur bindings, dont ever go back there, they are the kinda ppl that are gonna tell u wood core skis are better than foam core skis, (oh and by the way, they are both equally as good) anyway thats my rant, im all done!
post #6 of 18
I've tried both ways. Can't tell any difference. I do lube the bindings every summer. Besides the skis will wear out way before bindings do.
post #7 of 18
Thread Starter 
wow...okay....I think the majority here is not releasing the tension....just waxing and a bit of lubing. I think I will go with the majority. My skis are Atomics...with the bindings built on. Guess I will just leave them "as is"! Thanks for all the advice guys.
post #8 of 18
dont touch the bindings!! if u loosen then it will allow them to stretch out and "relax" a ton and so when u tighten them again a din of 3 will be equal to a din of 20 because the springs will have strectched out so much, u probly wont be able to snap out of ur bindings if u loosen em for the summer, just trust me on this one, dont do it,
I don't know the best procedure for the summer (I have not loosened mine in the past, but could see how it is a good idea), but the above advice and comment is, of course, absolutely ridiculous, and makes no sense at all. Springs simply don't work that way ,as any engineer or physicist will tell you. I would be more likely to trust betaracer's advice- he is, after all, an Atomic rep.
post #9 of 18
Er, DP, I hate to break the news to you, but you just fell for a troll. Sorry, guy.

Tom / PM

PS - BTW, of course you are right about the way springs work.

PPS - It seems like we have this same discusion about bindings at the beginning of every summer. BTW (& FWIW), the most reasonable physical mechanism that might cause problems if bindings are left under tension is slow deformation of some critical plastic part. This actually did happen to me once, but it was on an ancient pair of plate bindings (Moogs) that I had inadvertently left stored for many years with the plates on (ie, under tension). Two plastic parts on each binding each indented by at least a couple of mm, and certainly would have caused problems with the binding releasing properly. Fortunately, the reason I was looking at these skis (and hence discovered this problem) was that I was throwing them out. I would presume that with more modern plastics, a 6 month storage period, not 6 years, etc. there really is little to worry about.
post #10 of 18
ok well some of you agree with me, some of you dont. all i can say is that you will be very very sorry if u "release the tension" on your bindings every summer, mark my word, youll regret u didnt listen to me!!! i mean, you dont release the tension when you dont ski for two weeks during the winter do you?? the binding doesnt know when its summer and when its winter. For a binding, summer is that time you just decide not to ski for a few weeks... and if its so important to release the tension, how come you had to look so hard to figure out the right answer? dont u think it would be common knowledge? nope it aint, cuz u dont have to do it!
post #11 of 18
Generally, I set the bindings down to three or so every spring just to have something to mess around with. Every opening day I eagerly run up to the hill, get in the first chair liftline, and fall on my face . Then I hastily reset the bindings with my swiss army knife as I advance in the line.... ( if you know your DIN setting, can read and operate a screwdriver, you can adjust your own bindings}

What is the right thing? bindings are tough, beautiful machines and I have yet to wear out a set (well, maybe one, maybe..) before the skis they're mounted on become obsolete and are sold at the swap meet.
post #12 of 18
What a great forum with many experienced and interested members. I see many of you are far more advanced in skiing and ski gear than I am, and it's nice to read your inputs.
I personally try to be knowledgeable and take care of my gear, save my money when I can, and be careful taking advice.
I am also an engineer and ski very seriously (for a flatlander.) Everyone has about the same conclusion, and here's my input from an engineering perspective:

1. You could leave your bindings set for 30 years and not affect performance one way or the other, at least in regards to the springs.

2. You could also adjust them back to zero after every ski day and not affect performance one way or the other, again only in regards to the springs.

3. The concept, however, of prolonging the life of a device such as a ski binding, or a component such as a compression spring, by lowering the duty cycle or "releasing the DIN setting" periodically, is indeed based on sound engineering. The principle is to minimize performance degradation, that is extending the life, by reducing the potential for fatigue, creep, and stress loading. It may very well be overkill for ski bindings though. Starting with the right spring is far more important, than how you use it in service. It's not an easy subject. Springs seem to baffle a lot of good engineers and designers, even predictable compression springs like these.
The springs themselves are not the nemesis. Someone above said skis will wear out before the bindings - well put. And within the binding design and component quality, several other components or functions will usually fail, or at least become unreliable, first. I check my bindings all the time, whether I've changed the DIN setting or not - I check them on and off the hill throughout the year. The best judges of how well ski bindings work - are skiers like yourselves. That's why I read forums like this. So thanks for a good topic and some good insight.
post #13 of 18
Thread Starter 
Great post....I totally agree about the members of this forum. Whenever I have a question, I know exactly where to go to find the answer. These guys are great.
post #14 of 18
I've been a binding tech for 10 years and the way i look at it, there is no difference whether you release tension or not. However, you should get your bindings checked before each season, regardless. There are a couple of reasons for this. First, weight, height, and age might have changed enough to call for a new din setting. Although you can get din settings from a number of sources, ski shops test the torque required to cause the release of the binding and set the din accordingly, not the other way around. For example, some bindings are known to test low (Marker), while some are known to test high (Look/Rossi). A din setting is not a standard but a reference of which to begin testing. Furthermore, depending where you store your gear, binding grease may collect dust or even start to rust from the inside. Testing your bindings will take this into consideration and your din could be set accordingly.
post #15 of 18
Thread Starter 
The doctor has spoken.....and with the best advice I have read so far. thanks.
post #16 of 18
I have some look pivots and I'm wondering if/when I should lube the pivot. The manual also said I should engage/release the binding weekly when not in use. Is this necessary?

Also, where can I get lube/grease that will work with these bindings?
post #17 of 18
Originally posted by Proneax:
Also, where can I get lube/grease that will work with these bindings?
post #18 of 18
Originally posted by Mr_T:
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Also, where can I get lube/grease that will work with these bindings?
here</font>[/quote]Ah yes, I should have expected such a reply :

Seriously tho, I remember someone mentioning harmfull effects of some lubricants on the plastics in bindings? I'm trying to find the literature that came with the bindings, I hope the shop didn't take it when they mounted them.
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