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Atomic Race Stock Review (SL, GS, SG)

post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
Hi to all of you out there. Yesterday I tested the new 2006 Atomic Race Department skis. The IMO second most important ski school of Austria, Skihauptschule Windischgarsten, was invited by Atomic to test the new line up. After a bit of begging I was allowed to participate.

Construction: SL11 - still some Powerthingies, could well be no real woodcore.
GS11: A full sandwich construction with a cap around it. No indication of Powerchannels or rods or anything. Plain flat.
SG and DH as before real sandwich with visible sidewalls.

Pros: All Atomic skis have fantastic edgehold and stability. The go like being on railroads.
Cons: For my liking they are to damp. In the course they need a lot of power, for carving they are mostly great.

1. Atomic GS 11 youth @176cm and >21m
A very nice Racecarver on the slopes. It needs quite a bit of power in the gates. Probabely cause the shovel is not very wide. It was the quickest ski in the GS gates for me. It took me 38 seconds to clear the run. (the record was set at 33.5 seconds, probabely by a coach). Very nice ski, it is very stable but for my preference to damp. (Buhu - this time is equal to the 11-12 year olds - It took me 40 seconds on my Snowrider Mach 1 SL Slalom ski, as reference, and around 42 on the adult GS11)

2: Atomic SL11, 165cm
I did not really like that ski. It does not turn as easy as my Snowrider, and I lost a lot of time in the Slalom course. It is again very stable. Somehow not my choice

3. Atomich GS11 @186 and >21m (around 26m)
This was too much of a ski in the gates for me. I did not manage to reach every gate without taking out speed. I am not heavy enough for the ski either (65kg 180cm). On the slopes however this ski is great for high speed cruising/carving. It holds the edge like no other ski in that length.

4. Atomic SG, around 205/6 cm, supposedly identical to the real worldcup version.
This is a beast. It took me 10 turn to go down the whole hill. The speed gathered was tremendously. I was really feared. To get this ski turning the initiation must be made very actively. Just moving the balance seemed to change nothing. Happily this ski is not available for the normal ski folks. Otherwise the death penalty in skiing would triple. It is so stable, clearing everything at high speeds. Bomb your way down. I feel great respect for everyone who can handle such skis. When I was down it took me 2 minutes till my legs stopped shaking.

Conclusion:
For a good carver the 176cm youth GS11 is a blast. It is very cheap but has a higher performance than pretty much any ski in that length. If you like the normal public GS11 (I don't), you will love this ski.
For young racers the Atomic Racetech plug must be great. Nearly all of the kids are wearing it, even if they normally ride on skis made by other manufactors.

Off topic, some information I got: to give you some price relation. A European Fis Racer (=3. league similar to Nastar?) pays 700 Euros for 12 pairs of Atomics including bindings. 2 pairs of shoes, clothes for the whole season, and technical support. You only get the plug boots if you take the whole package. The skis are available to outsiders too in the racestock version but not in the real worldcup version.

Damn I wish I could get those great conditions too. I would even give up my Snowrider for this, Oh well no my Snowrider is worth more to me than 12 pairs of Atomics
post #2 of 27
Just to be clear here - the race stock version of the GS:11 has a flat top, with no Beta lobes?
post #3 of 27
Thread Starter 
Yes, no indication at all. Not even painted. purely flat in all length. The SL11 had some sort of Beta.

But I do not know if it was consumer race stock or real race stock. Those reps didn't say a word to me about production. They actually did not know about it. They were employed by Atomic to tune the skies to the testers preference. But they did not know inside information. They only told me that it is practically impossible to buy those ski if not in a package, and package is only sold to FIS racers of Skischools (one per state in Austria). Not to shops. The flex was not marked on the ski. They entered the info into their laptop to get out the number of the ski.

It was absolutely crazy. You went up and asked for the ski length and the edge angles + the flex index. If not available they tried to tune it for you. Only the coaches asked for changes, but it is a real waste of skies, as some coaches allways wanted modifications and they had only brough around 300 skis with them. (I was happy to take anything, but I noticed what others asked for.)

I got the telephone number of some Atomic guy, responsible for sending them down to the Hochkar. I will call him up regarding the Racetech shell which I would love to buy.
post #4 of 27
Am I reading that right, 700 euros for 12 pairs of race stock skis (3 pairs per discipline?), 2 pairs of plug boots, ski suit and tech support/tuning? And it is available to all FIS racers regardless of points? Wow.
post #5 of 27
Thread Starter 
@ gramboh. well that is what the sevice man told me. However from that point onwards you are sponsored by Atomic, meaning you are only allowed to use Atomic products where they provide it. In Europe: Worldcup, Europacup, FIS Races,Regional races. AFAIK Be aware that there are not many Fis Racers as it is still European level racing.
post #6 of 27
that is definetly not the case...athletes pay for their equipment over there just as they do here. there is a sponsorship criteria that must be met and i can assure you that it is strict, austria is the headquarters and they set the standard for the rest if us to follow. our europa cup and noram level athletes don't have that many skis and on top of that they share service people that work on every brand of skis. if an athlete at that level showed up with that many skis the service person would freak out... they're so overworked as it is. as for the boot program, sposored athletes are required to be on all products, it's all or nothing. even partially sponsored people that are buying at a discounted rate can't just purchase skis/bindings only. there is no pot of gold...i run junior development program in the u.s. and it costs me more than that for equipment for myself and my wife
mark bettencourt
atomic racing usa
mabettencourt@atomicski.com
post #7 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by logruve
that is definetly not the case...athletes pay for their equipment over there just as they do here. there is a sponsorship criteria that must be met and i can assure you that it is strict, austria is the headquarters and they set the standard for the rest if us to follow. our europa cup and noram level athletes don't have that many skis and on top of that they share service people that work on every brand of skis. if an athlete at that level showed up with that many skis the service person would freak out... they're so overworked as it is. as for the boot program, sposored athletes are required to be on all products, it's all or nothing. even partially sponsored people that are buying at a discounted rate can't just purchase skis/bindings only. there is no pot of gold...i run junior development program in the u.s. and it costs me more than that for equipment for myself and my wife
mark bettencourt
atomic racing usa
mabettencourt@atomicski.com
Trust me, my pocket book says he is telling the truth!
post #8 of 27
you got served
post #9 of 27
Thread Starter 
I can only tell you what the rep of Atomic told me. The condition is that you will only use Atomic for everything. If this only applies to Austrians I don't know. Local patriotism goes a long way in Austria.

My sister can't properly snowboard but because she is a girl she is sponsored by burton and is on proform 2 (= better proform than the usual ones, around 100 given out in Austria every year, + then there are the really sponsored riders who get everything). = everything at price the price for shops or cheaper. (= a board max 250 Euros, those nice Goretex XCR pants 120 Euros, jackets XCR 170 (instead of 620 shop price).... for all products produced by burton, so no avy transceivers as burton buys them from ortovox).
I was formerly sponsored by burton, then by boards and more = F2 too. But then I tore my ACL 2 times, crashed my meniscus.... and did not get back on the track again.
post #10 of 27
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Originally Posted by RJP
you got served
You want to interpret that for me?
post #11 of 27
Thread Starter 
You're right with all or nothing. However you can get the skis and bindings in shops at cheaper prices if you are racing and you are in a ski club, or ski boarding school. The boots however only go in the big packages. However I see many people using those boots and not the skis. (the Atomic Racetech seems to be one of the most popular boots for racers and ex-racers and good carvers in Austria). I ask everyone how to get it, noone knows, most got them from a friend. Shit, how did the friend got it.
post #12 of 27
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
You want to interpret that for me?
Its kinda hard to explain; a phrase that is part of an American sub-culture (african american). Its basically a comment that Originated from court orders being given to someone (You got served! (a subpeona)) and evolved to someone being shown up in a dance contest (in the african community).

It eventually became a terrible american movie and when younger White Americans (me)use it, they generally mean that the person got shown up, but in a fun/joking/whimsical way.

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post #13 of 27
Lol
post #14 of 27
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Originally Posted by extremecarver
. (the Atomic Racetech seems to be one of the most popular boots for racers and ex-racers and good carvers in Austria). I ask everyone how to get it, noone knows, most got them from a friend. Shit, how did the friend got it.
You can buy that boot over here in the store.
post #15 of 27
Thread Starter 
Yeah, we have some shops too. 5 I know of. However they are nowhere near me (Hrinkow Racing, the famous Lech shoe shop..,forgot the name,...) I do not know how they get them, but they do sell them. However they charge horrendous prices. It's around 800 Euros with shell cusomization, but still with normal liner. All the people I met paid around 400.
Unluckily I only have 200-max of 300 Euros for shoes available. Hard work to find those shoes at that price as really noone does not like his shoes.
post #16 of 27
Hell man you can buy it online:

www.proctorjones.com

They have the med, soft, and xsoft flexes in a ton of sizes, check it out. They run pretty normally for race boots, I tried the medium in a 28.5, I measure a 29 and and my sneaker is a 13, and they were fine (if I had some very minor work done). You could probably go 2 sizes smaller than you measure if you didnt have one foot a full size bigger than the other like I do. I wouldn't downsize more than one below what you measure unless you've tried them on though.
post #17 of 27
223: That site doesn't open up. You tried the Medium ? How stiff was that ?
What's your weight ? I only tried the XS and it seemed reasonably stiff. Hard to order online.
Felix: You mentioned the regular liner. What liner do the racers use ?
post #18 of 27
Thread Starter 
regular liner for everyone including racers. however people with sensitive feet will still choose to have a custom foam liner. But the rep said me that it is not needed anymore and as he does not sell anything he did not need to advertise it.
post #19 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by Biowolf
223: That site doesn't open up. You tried the Medium ? How stiff was that ?
What's your weight ? I only tried the XS and it seemed reasonably stiff. Hard to order online.
Felix: You mentioned the regular liner. What liner do the racers use ?
The medium was as stiff as you would ever want, even as a racer. The soft was fine about the same as the T:11 in terms of flex, I would probably put the second screw in though. The x-softs are not stiff enough for me (195lbs), and with the short cuff and my long legs I think they would give out. Most recreational/occasional racers would be fine with the softs, and the second screw. If you are serious, the mediums are your boot.

I have no idea why the site didn't open, I just tried it and it works fine. Try googling ken jones ski mart, that could work. proctorjones.com does work though, idk what the problem was, but it's working now.
post #20 of 27
Does any one have idea where to buy mentioned skis in Europe?



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Originally Posted by doublediamond223 View Post
Hell man you can buy it online:

www.proctorjones.com

They have the med, soft, and xsoft flexes in a ton of sizes, check it out. They run pretty normally for race boots, I tried the medium in a 28.5, I measure a 29 and and my sneaker is a 13, and they were fine (if I had some very minor work done). You could probably go 2 sizes smaller than you measure if you didnt have one foot a full size bigger than the other like I do. I wouldn't downsize more than one below what you measure unless you've tried them on though.
post #21 of 27

Okay, I'm a little lost...

...this review is definitely valuable, but y'all know that the 2007 12 series is available, right?
post #22 of 27
Yep, but this is an OLD thread: " April 24th, 2005, 03:55 PM"
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post #24 of 27
Thread Starter 
Or try www.denifl.at - they don't show prices on the internet but give em a ring
post #25 of 27
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Originally Posted by Torque View Post

Thanks, this one is very good, lots of available skis. Thanks once again!
post #26 of 27
Thread Starter 
But Bilek is more expensive than Denifl - at least if you got a coach/FIS license or club member upon my experience.
post #27 of 27
Also try www.skibartlett.co.uk

they hold race stock on all top race brands at pretty good prices.
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