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post #1 of 22
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For all of you that get ski racing magazine, and read the section about 2006 skis about atomic, you might have come across that they are going to make vertical sidewall laminate design gs11. Does anoy one know how this compares to the current gs11? I have never been a fan of the beta junk, so i am wondering how they ski. thanks
post #2 of 22
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Originally Posted by Skierbob
For all of you that get ski racing magazine, and read the section about 2006 skis about atomic, you might have come across that they are going to make vertical sidewall laminate design gs11. Does anoy one know how this compares to the current gs11? I have never been a fan of the beta junk, so i am wondering how they ski. thanks
Beta junk? Pleez!

Completely different. The current women's WC GS11m is constructed in this way.
post #3 of 22
sorry to correct you Atomicman.
The GS11 exist again in two versions. First as a true Sandwich with vertical sidewalls for worldcuppers only, they are impossible to come by and second as a sandwich ski with a cap around it. No notion of beta or powerthingies. They are made out of wood and 2*Titanal. I did ski them so I now. I have seen the blue LT11, this is the womens GS11, or am I wrong? However it had no beta profile either.
post #4 of 22
Ski Racing mag didn't not say it had a vertical side wall. They were referring to a junior speed ski not the GS11m when they said this. I have the article in my hand!

To quote the article "The Gs11 will now offer a capped sandwich laminate of wood and metal with new dimensions and sizes for both sexes".

So, I have 2 pair of this years 2004/05 GS11m Blue/white cap sandwich in my garage, Women's WC GS also available to Junior racers! These are not the LT!
Came in different lengths & turn radius than the FIS legal or the retail non-FIS GS11m Beta which did have beta in 04/05.
post #5 of 22
the all new junior skis (both sl and gs) for next year utilize the same construction as the world cup GS skis. cap sandwhich, fir/spruce laminate with one layer of metal. two new sizes have been added recently: 19m 171cm and 21m 176cm. also the junior slalom will come in a 151cm. now there is some cross over between adult w/c lengths and junior lengths. along with the 21m 176cm womens world cup, the bigger size range of the new junior line should fill in the gaps we had with our previous models.

mark bettencourt
atomic race east
mabettencourt@atomicski.com
post #6 of 22
so is there a difference in between the 176 junior and female? I assume the junior is not as wide?
However the junior performs great. This is in my opinion the ski for cheap bucks (300 Euros) for every adult for medium to long turn freecarving.
Though not many kids will be able to use them. the kids I have seen on them were around 12-13 years old. The older boys, 15-16 who became world skischool race winners in Norway this year were already using the mens skis. Hey they train from 7 in the morning till 10 in the evening every day, with chunks of classes inbetween. All of those kids are belong the top 50 in Austria in their age class.

About the vertical sidewalls. I have seen them at the Semmering womens race in december, so I know they exist, but what the heck, us mortals will not even touch them.
Maybe it was a single model only. Sorry I just assumed the 2*Titanal, as most other companies use this. I just looked at the skies from the outside.

They did not have many women skis around. All girls are using junior skis, there was no visible distinction male and female. And the really long skis were brought to please the coaches and the oldest of the kids.
post #7 of 22
the ladies 176 and the junior 176 come from different molds and use a different lay up. the junior ski has the same radius but gets there using different demensions ( it is slightly wider overall). actually quite a few kids in this country are not even close to being ready for adult construction skis but still require the length, in terms of the age bracket though you are right on the nose. lots of j3( even small 2's) boys and girls could use more ski but can't bend adult racing skis. the adult skis do use two layers of metal, the juniors just one. some vendors did away with metal in their junior skis for next year...we tried for a while but our skis are much better with it. as far as sidewall skis are concerend, yes there are a few out there...there are many,many other designs as well.
post #8 of 22
Mark, thanks so much for your contributions here! There's been a lot of conversation about Atomic skis here this season (some of it my fault, certainly!), so I hope that you won't be a stranger...
post #9 of 22
my pleasure...any conversation, positive or negative is a healthy thing. maybe i can clear up an issue or two for some folks.
thanks,
mark bettencourt
atomic race east

p.s. extremecarver,
you are correct, the current blue/white gs ski is called gs11, next year (to tie in with the retail graphics), the womens gs skis will be called LT11 and slaloms will be ST11
mabettencourt@atomicski.com
post #10 of 22
Hey,
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actually quite a few kids in this country are not even close to being ready for adult construction skis but still require the length,
I'ld be happy to say that I am able to bend those 186 GS skis. (dunno what flex)
But at 65 kilos I am probabely more at junior specs anyway (however some of the kids were definitely below 40 kilos on the 176cm). I had the same probs on racing snowboards too. Hard to find a long and not too stiff board. To freeski those proper GS11 feel great. But I did not manage efficiently enough to cross under. Cross over worked good.

for slalom race skis I think it is easier. Till now I could turn every slalom ski through the rare slalom gates (Race stock, Fischer, Atomic and Snowrider) Maybe I should try to adapt skiing technique, but my snowboard technique works great on skis with little adaptions regarding upper body.
In my opinion the GS11 is a great ski, but you have to adapt your technique a bit to the ski. Once you beginn the turn, it locks you in, no skidding even on the worst ice. To finish the turn I needed to cross over actively, pushing through my legs. I did not find a way to do a quickly cross under.

On the SG I really felt lost.

Mark: great input. You really know what is inside those Atomics. Happy to have someone like you here too. There has been one person I always trusted regarding skis specs, Ivan - Checkracer, you're now on the list too.

BTW: Quite a lot of kids did gain speed on the Atomics 176. Most gained about one second compared to their old 165ish GS skis. The course was not really hard, but definitely not easy. 2 times really unflat surface, one little jump (on which one was supposed to change direction). Most were really satisfied.
post #11 of 22
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Originally Posted by ssh
There's been a lot of conversation about Atomic skis here this season (some of it my fault, certainly!),
I will agree with Steve....it was his fault.
post #12 of 22
I thought you guys were goin' pin it all on me!

Whew!
post #13 of 22
with a little softer tip and tail the skis can find the fall line a bit easier ( there's a ton of power and edge grip in the middle of the skis, more than most traditional laminates i believe), with the skis going in and out of the turns easier, most people don't get that locked up feeling in terms of edge grip. most of the skis, especially smaller sized gs ski from other companies (176, 183, 188ish) have a bit more sidecut than atomic. they ski easier for the vast majority of athletes, the shape helping them across the hill. sooner or later though, these skiers figure out that down the hill is a lot faster than across the hill. i had several girls in particular, who cut their points basically in half this year coming from softer, more shapely skis. small girls coming from softish 21-22m skis to a little stiffer 24m ski. one girl started the season at 107 gs points and ended at 52. not to bang the drum too hard, quite frankly i wouldn't have predicted it...we are just on to something with our new gs skis...it's a lot more fun when the stuff is working
post #14 of 22
Mark,

that's a great little story, it's so inspiring to hear about kids that have break throughs like that.

It is so difficult to change your skiing. Pat her on the back for all of us!
post #15 of 22
Great info and input!

Just put Atomicmans, Betaracers, logruves and some others´ infos together and you get an extremely valuable source.

Thanks!
post #16 of 22
I don't mean to hijack or anything, but Mark i was wondering if you could answer a question about the Race Tech. could you tell me if it has an upright stance or preset angles at the ankle? I don't have a lot of info about the forward lean and ramp angle of this boot, and from what i know it has more forward lean than most boots. But i may be wrong.

Thanks,
Jamie
post #17 of 22
hey there-
the forward lean is adjustable from twelve to sixteen degrees, the second hole in the "power stabilizer" allows you to blast another hole in the shell to lock it in once you find what works for you (the second screw has a very minimal effect on the flex of the boot). out of the box the forward lean is 14 +/-. the forward lean is right in the ballpark of most others, maybe a bit more but not a stretch by any means. we will have several different boot boards available to accommodate most any ramp angle you desire, not to mention grinding the boot board if need be.
post #18 of 22
Mark, that's really awesome! I've shared elsewhere on these boards my challenge in finding a flat enough ramp for my physiology. I may need to get into a pair of Race Tecs next season!
post #19 of 22
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Originally Posted by logruve
with a little softer tip and tail the skis can find the fall line a bit easier ( there's a ton of power and edge grip in the middle of the skis, more than most traditional laminates i believe), with the skis going in and out of the turns easier, most people don't get that locked up feeling in terms of edge grip. most of the skis, especially smaller sized gs ski from other companies (176, 183, 188ish) have a bit more sidecut than atomic. they ski easier for the vast majority of athletes, the shape helping them across the hill. sooner or later though, these skiers figure out that down the hill is a lot faster than across the hill...
Mark:
Is there any change in the binding position (mounting point) accompanying the changes in flex?
Are there any interesting new observations made?
(Well, I know I´m probably asking too much but you will tell us what you want/may anyway...)
Thanks!
post #20 of 22
most of the plates will remain in very close proximity to previous positions. we will offer both the black world cup plate and the race chassis on all race room skis this year. the one thing that most testers noticed is that you can definetely stand more centered in the middle of the ski and still change the turn shape. i think, especially in the smaller sizes this is good...you don't have to drive the skis as much. the lengths that the world cup men are on (193,195) are the same lay up but as you'd expect, are a handfull and still need to be really driven. from what the guys are saying, they ski in the same manner as the womens skis, not dictating turn shape so much.
hope that helps
mark
post #21 of 22

question

Hey Logruve
So just to get this straight there will be two atomic gs 11 for the coming year, 1 with beta and one which would be a laminate. What would be the significant difference. I have seen guys with the 190s, 191s both beta and laminate, do they ski particularly different, is the radius 21 or 27m. I am thinking about getting a 190 ski next year so it would be some help if you gave me some info on the the 190 and 191.
esky
post #22 of 22
there will only be one GS11 and it will be the wood laminate/cap sandwich version. the radius is 27.2m.
remember the graphics on all the racing skis out there say greater than 21m not 21m.
most companies have one (two at the most) 21m skis in their racing line (usually they're 171 or 176ish in size). our 176 women's ski will be the only 21m adult ski we offer. 183 is 23.8, 186 is 25.9, 191 is 27.2, 195 28.2
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