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post #91 of 114
Good grief, what a can of worms. The Supreme Court in FDR's days had trouble with many of his programs because they interfered with private business. They were right, but FDR had to prime the pump and extreme times called for extreme measures. - Yes, here's a rep backing FDR. Well can ya imagine dat?! wow!

Forest service is gutted in a great part due to much money going to entitlement programs. The weather? Many of us listen to NOAA and the local news. This is much-ado-about nothing. Let it go.

Do some here take the other side just so they can tell others how wrong they are? I'm scared to death to talk about our annual ski lesson for PSIA credit. If I tell what we were taught, someone will undoubtedly say how wrong it all is! Leave NOAA alone, leave the weather channel alone, don't pay attention to Santorum, don't get is such a tizzy. and as they say, don't sweat the petty stuff and don't pet the sweaty stuff. bob
post #92 of 114
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Originally Posted by jyarddog
Forest service is gutted in a great part due to much money going to entitlement programs.
This is not correct. The move toward privatization in firefighting has no correlation to entitlement programs whatsoever.

Further, remember that it is "our" government. If you choose to "let it go", then you will stand to get what you deserve. The attempt to re-stack the NOAA deck to provide a financial boon to a handful of corporations is a swindle, and its likely defeat will come as a result of public pressure. That public pressure was insufficient to stop our, similar swindles that have escaped public notice.
post #93 of 114
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Originally Posted by jyarddog
Do some here take the other side just so they can tell others how wrong they are? I'm scared to death to talk about our annual ski lesson for PSIA credit. If I tell what we were taught, someone will undoubtedly say how wrong it all is! Leave NOAA alone, leave the weather channel alone, don't pay attention to Santorum, don't get is such a tizzy. and as they say, don't sweat the petty stuff and don't pet the sweaty stuff. bob
it's not limited to HERE, dog. political discussions tend toward self-definition through putting down/deriding what you are NOT.

it's the american way, sadly.

and it's precisely why I hate the two-party either/or system we have.
post #94 of 114
Dog,

Harry is right. Entitlements are not the problem. bush keeps saying that and they are under fire right now. today's budget is cutting these entitlements and the reason given is the defecit. Bush ran up the defecit on purpose and then gave a tax break. this has been the game plan right from the start. Few would believe that anyone would be that diabolical, but Republicans are. They do intentionally - not very nice.
post #95 of 114
Sounds like I'm talking to progressives! To think that someone actually on purpose runs up a budget or any other diabolical plan is beyond even common sense. It is hate driven whether the hate comes from the left or the right.

Everything is intertwined. I have spoken with forest service people and others. So much money goes to entitlement programs it takes away from other agencies such as the forest program. Directly? No. All suffer. Am I against entitlement programs? No. but it gets carried away. On the other hand I guess we have gotten used to the life style of today that we think we are 'entitled' to this or that. We sure do like free don't we.

gonzo is right in the respect opf two party system. G. Washington warned not to get into it. Even before he left office political parties were starting to form.

Harry- Oooooo! again with giving more money to a handful of coporations! It always comes to that! The class card played here again. Rich against the poor. Sounds like Marx and Engels, and Casian economics (pardon my spelling on that).

When I say 'let it go' I don't mean to not pay attention to all this. I'm saying not to get so worked up about it here.
post #96 of 114
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Originally Posted by jyarddog
don't pet the sweaty stuff. bob
Gee, bob, I hate to sweat the petty stuff, but if you don't pet the sweaty stuff once an a while you'll be missing out!!

Republicans! Sheesh!!
post #97 of 114
Yep- Reps... we're all alike! All after money- care for no one else. Yeah, well, maybe you're right, petting the sweaty stuff can be fun.

Damned political parties. Demos tax and spend. Reps- cut taxes and spend.
both bad. Ta hell with it... let's ski.
post #98 of 114
Good way to end it.
post #99 of 114
Agreed Slatz. BTW- Our class was great! I checked with our instruc. He mentioned the same thing you spoke of. Too much knee flex, can't work the ankles. I was extending fine, metered flex through the turn until skis were neutral but then I'd stay there. Or sometimes I wouldn't extend soom enough at teh beginninng of the turn. Knees too flexed, therefore no 'suspension', then the left arm would wander backwards. Just the left arm, never the right arm. weird! Bad habits creeps back now and then. Corrected this and the migrating left arm behaved itself. Interesting how one thing affects another.

Instructor spoke of the 5 'sames'. Excellent class.
post #100 of 114
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Originally Posted by jyarddog
Harry- Oooooo! again with giving more money to a handful of coporations! It always comes to that! The class card played here again. Rich against the poor. Sounds like Marx and Engels, and Casian economics (pardon my spelling on that).
Don't be a d*ckhead. I'm not a leftist, a liberal or a democrat. My comments have nothing to do with class wealth, nor as I said does this have anything to do with entitlements, regardless of what a few forest service workers you once met said.

There have been cuts in Forest Service general budgets, however that isn't the same as the firefighting budgets. Those are appropriated based on actual cost, not on some effort to manage the budget. While a budget is set each year, each adn every year, the budget is exceeded. The excess comes from emergency allocations and transfers.

I have no beef with the concept of privatization - in fact I think that private industry should do some things that government does now. I have no beef with private contractors. I hire them routinely. What I have a beef with is dismantling working systems in favor of private contractors even though the cost is higher than the original system, which is what has happened with the USFS fire programs. It takes the same number of firefighters at approximately the same cost, but now there is a profit being made, out of the taxpayer pocket. Further, those contract firefighters are not available to fight IA (initial attack) fires, thus increasing the likelihood that fires will escape IA and become large fires.

The same issue came up with BPA and the proposal to "deregulate". In this proposal, which was fortunately killed due to public outcry, the BPA would have been required to sell all energy on the open market (to energy traders). The market would then resell the electricity to the local co-ops that currently purchase the electricity directly from BPA. A very close analogy to the NOAA deal. Put in a middleman who makes a profit at the expense of the consumer.

Frankly, if a private company wants to put up RAWS and satellites and forecast weather, I say more power to them. But to require that a taxpayer funded program be passed through a middleman, and that taxpayers be prohibited from accessing the taxpayer funded data is wrong.
post #101 of 114
yup.

private fire fighters to protect Maxxam/Plum Creek/Weyerhauser,

and

mercenary soldiers to protect Halliburton

oh what a beautifully privatized plutocracy we will have!
post #102 of 114
Well then, Harry, I guess we agree. I spoke of the forest service not the firefighters in particular. Those guys to an incredible and dangerous job. They should be funded to the hilt. Fascinating! Name-calling!

Gonzo- Yep- to hell with privatization. Let's nationalize every corporation! I do hope you see the humor in that statement. On the other hand I detest the so-called down-sizing, of corporations, laying off or firing personell then the CEO's who came up with this "wonderful" idea get multi-million dollar bonuses for doing so! Then they "outsource" jobs (love PC terms don'tcha?) for lower wages but keep the prices up on their products to us. Of course all of this is Bush's fault, planned secretly many years ago.

Ya know? I even heard some were trying to blame Bush and Japan for the terrible tsunami in Indonesia! It was something to the effect of a secret underwater Nuke test! Hahaha! Oh well. Life is wonderful!
post #103 of 114
what I want to know is,

have we lost our capacity for humility?

take your time... and no flippant comic retorts. :
post #104 of 114
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Originally Posted by jyarddog
Good grief, what a can of worms. The Supreme Court in FDR's days had trouble with many of his programs because they interfered with private business. They were right, but FDR had to prime the pump and extreme times called for extreme measures. - Yes, here's a rep backing FDR. Well can ya imagine dat?! wow!

Forest service is gutted in a great part due to much money going to entitlement programs. The weather? Many of us listen to NOAA and the local news. This is much-ado-about nothing. Let it go.

Do some here take the other side just so they can tell others how wrong they are? I'm scared to death to talk about our annual ski lesson for PSIA credit. If I tell what we were taught, someone will undoubtedly say how wrong it all is! Leave NOAA alone, leave the weather channel alone, don't pay attention to Santorum, don't get is such a tizzy. and as they say, don't sweat the petty stuff and don't pet the sweaty stuff. bob
Don't pay attention. Where do you get that crap? If you're not paying attention you are a part of the problem. This issue is another symptom of the general malaise of our society. Don't pay attention and it will go away. Americans are hated because many of us are a bunch of fat lazy explorer driving couch potatoes more interested in who will become the next american idol and not with the taking away of liberties that we so blatantly push on the rest of the world.

NOAA is indespensible to the skiing community, farmers, ranchers, boaters, and drivers. It is a public service, just like public radio or television. It can't be taken away and santorum is another idiot and just like tom delay. So, all you rich farts that don't care if you have to pay 19.95 a month might as well just flash your republican party cards now.
post #105 of 114
Speaking of NPR, have you noticed the difference since a "Bushy" became the head guy?
post #106 of 114
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Originally Posted by SLATZ
Speaking of NPR, have you noticed the difference since a "Bushy" became the head guy?

NPR's always been middle of the road. Nowadays they have to be even more careful or the govt will cut back more of their funding.

Orwell was right. Just off by about 20 years.
post #107 of 114
Is everyone having fun? Yes, don't pay attention is the wrong phrase. Many didn't pay attention to that small political group in Germany either... called the NSDAP! I'm saying not to get in such a tizzy here.

My! Look at the stereotopy going on here. Rich, fat, lazy Americans, Explorers, couch potatoes, American Idol watching. That's everyone else but those who agree with you?

And Gonzo- I'll be flippant if I wish to be. speaking of humility, check the man in the mirror. I've seen none from you. Good grief, I've slammed no one, called no one names, I've agreed this Santorum bill is no good. But I've gotten back much different responses. I've tried to discuss the issue. The rebutles I've gotten have been personal attacks or implied ones. I've tried not to impart hatred. The closest I've come is implying I might be talking to progressives. It was a retorical statement. I ski with others with opposing view points from my own. I don't call them names. I respect their view points, and many are good points taken. If I can't rebut the argument I don't resort to attacking the person.
post #108 of 114
Remember the band the Ruttles? They always gave "rebutles". Spelled like a true Republican.

You guys are really funny. LOL. Is it this much fun in the supporter's lounge?
Alas, I am just a poor Democrat....will it be worth my while to join?
post #109 of 114
And I'm just a poor Republican. Welcome with open arms. Not the ones you shoot with... the ones ya hug with. All are good people here.
post #110 of 114
dog you funny. just after I give a mini legal treatise on the FDR Supremes, you say I'm hateful.

you love Karl Rove. admit it. you want to fellate him.
post #111 of 114
Gonzo- you be weird. I don't care about Rove. He probably doesn't have anything to fellate even if there were the remotest chance I may... which I mayeth noteth. Keeping th eknees bent is only for skiing, wouldn't you agree?
post #112 of 114
...and it's not even May yet.
post #113 of 114
Allright, enough of the bickering. Here's what you can do. Write to your senators and congressman. I think santorum is a senator so write to your senators. If you're a republican and don't want noaa to go away then definitely write your republican senators and reps.

http://www.congress.org/congressorg/home/

Cmon.... be a Real American and stand up for what you believe in before its all gone.
post #114 of 114
why is it implied and / or assumed that if you're a republican you most likely won't write your senator? I just did. Told him to get Santorum to lay off. Also wrote Ron Wyden, our Dem sen. and said the same thing. My apologies for blow the rep. stereotype.

I truly hope our letters help.
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