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Making the switch - need some advice

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
Well, I pulled my virtually new K2's TRC old school 204 with Marker Titanium SC TwinCams out of the bag last night to adjust them to my new Diablo Magnesium boots and low and behold I was stepping into the binding and the plastic rear heal lock broke right off the binding. ( I was hoping on sneaking in a couple of local SoCal hard pack morning/ slushy mid days in before everyone closes and then head up to Mammoth to finish the season with a couple of my old schoolers sticks) Anyways rather then start monkeying the boots around with my entire quiver of old school 200+ sticks, I figure its time to make the switch. So, as many have done before me I am looking for everyones advice. I plan on being up at Mammoth in a couple of weeks so I figured I would demo suggestions first.

What I normally Ski: Sierra's (Mammoth and Tahoe) Rocky's on occassion. Mostly Mammoth groomed and powder. Occasional SoCal groomed packed.

Me: 6', 200-210, hoping to get back down to 180-190 by the 2005-2006 season. Skiing ability, expert, powder, OB, can go for carvers, speed, bumps, etc...

I need to start with an all around aggressive , as this will be the first to my new quiver. Eventually I would like to work up to my normal 6-8 pairs of sticks.

I have been a fan of Volkl and K2 for the last 30 years so I'm partial to them, however the Atomic are getting a lot of play. I figure I can demo out at least 4 or 5 pairs on my next trip so all your inputs would be greatly appreciated.
post #2 of 24
Start with Volkl 5 Stars, and if this is your first time on carvers, take a lesson
post #3 of 24
Try a Volkl Unlimited AC4 177cm or 184cm.
post #4 of 24
watersurgon;

I am going to stay out of the brand suggestion thread for now. I have been making the same transition as you slowly over the past 6 years. Here is a link that you may enjoy. It does a fairly good job of definings what most skis are designed to do. Lets you make an informed desicion about what type of ski you are looking for or looking @.
http://www.skimag.com/skimag/gear/ap...13123,,00.html
MTT
post #5 of 24
Tough decision here. When I think of Tahoe I think of three things, big dumps, spring slush and Sierra cement. Something like the Volkl 5 Star would be great for the ice and okay for slush until it got too deep but not very good for the big dumps. The AC4 would be great for the dumps & slush and adequate on the ice but its girth might be too much of a transition coming off old straight skis.

I'd recommend going with something in the mid-70s in waist width giving you a good all-around ski that isn't too radical a change. The Volkl 724 Pro & Dynastar 4800 are two good choices to look at.
post #6 of 24
Just jump right in with both feet to a pair of M11's or B5 metrons 162 or 172, get your feet apart and hang on for a ride!
post #7 of 24
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
Just jump right in with both feet to a pair of M11's or B5 metrons 162 or 172, get your feet apart and hang on for a ride!
Exactly my thought. Probably an M:11 in 172 and a b5 in 162. Keep them at least slightly on edge, and they'll go as fast as you want. They float in new snow, hold on hardpack, and carve like crazy.

Having just had my b5s tuned by a specialist this past week, I will also say that they are somewhat tune sensitive. Detuned, they are more forgiving than when they are tuned agressively. Factory is 1/3, which is a nice middle ground.
post #8 of 24
Mantras 184cm
post #9 of 24
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Originally Posted by ssh
Exactly my thought. Probably an M:11 in 172 and a b5 in 162. Keep them at least slightly on edge, and they'll go as fast as you want. They float in new snow, hold on hardpack, and carve like crazy.

Having just had my b5s tuned by a specialist this past week, I will also say that they are somewhat tune sensitive. Detuned, they are more forgiving than when they are tuned agressively. Factory is 1/3, which is a nice middle ground.
I was going to make the same length suggestion.

So what's up with your tune?

By the way we are going to Whistler next week for 3 days. They have 101" at mid-mountain! Should be fun & the prices have come way down.
post #10 of 24
180 to 190 sounds right. You usually have a quiver of 6-8 pairs and no shaped skis yet!? HAHAHA, Rip Van Winkle woke up! Get a midfat. Second, a 155 slalom. If you need more float a "powder ski" = third pair. That should do ya for now, when those get trashed= rock skis, replace as needed...
post #11 of 24
Get one B5 metron 3, 3, 3 skis in one!

Kinda like the doublemint twins only a threesome!
post #12 of 24
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
So what's up with your tune?
I asked to have 'em tuned to 1/3, but he found that they had previously been tuned to .5/4!!! : However, they had been detuned tip/tail, I expect. He tuned them to .75/3 (he didn't want to make too significant a change--it was my first tune with him), but didn't detune. When I was skidding them at times at A, the tip was clearly catching a bit more than it had been. Not bad, just different.

If bong or Uncle Louie read this, they may want to comment on my skiing that day. UL did mention that I was cutting solid carved turns summit to lift, so I know that was good. We intensionally played with a bunch of different techniques (just for fun and giggles), and, as always, they performed at a very high level.
post #13 of 24
I was considereing a .7 & 3 when I tune mine.
post #14 of 24
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by telerod15
180 to 190 sounds right. You usually have a quiver of 6-8 pairs and no shaped skis yet!? HAHAHA, Rip Van Winkle woke up! Get a midfat. Second, a 155 slalom. If you need more float a "powder ski" = third pair. That should do ya for now, when those get trashed= rock skis, replace as needed...
Hey, I'm an old dog what can I say. They told me it was just a fad.........I've been back country skiing with Big Foot and finally came out of the woods for some more trail mix...... I was looking for DB Coopers millions and got lost in the forest......
post #15 of 24

Mantra

I am going to second the recommendation for the Volkl Mantra 184 cm. I have mine set up with alpine touring bindngs (Fritschi Freeride) and you can find a review under the gear reviews area. They are light enough to go backcountry, have a 94 mm waist, lots of float, the shape is not extreme, but they will carve. Excel just about everywhere but ice. For carving, and harder conditions, back them up with an Atomic B5 or the V-5 star or AC4. Considering you are frequently an off-piste skier, you won't believe what these can do to float powder or bust crud, slush and corn. I still enjoy the short carving skis, but for big mountain cruising and off-piste the Mantra is going to be hard to beat. Hope you can find a pair to try out.
post #16 of 24
Watersurgeon,

Try out the Fischer RX9 if you can find a pair of demos. They are an excellent all around ski which has a moderate enough shape that it will be easy to adapt to it first time out. It excells in medium and big turns, but short radius turns are not a chore. It is biased towards performance in soft snow, powder, and crud, but also able to make nice carves on hard groomed runs. At your current weight I suggest a 175cm, but if you get down to your target range you'd probably be comfortable on a 170cm. Don't be put off by the short length, these skis have rock solid stability.

Jim
post #17 of 24
I also ski the Sierra's;

I am currently on Head monster 77's, great tahoe ski, look at 177cm
Dynastar 8000 in a 178, I think these would be better if you want to ski powder than the 4800's although both are good skis.

There is a good deal on Head monster 75's in gear for sale if they are in good shape?

There are lots of great skis out there, so good luck
post #18 of 24
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Originally Posted by watersurgeon
Hey, I'm an old dog what can I say. They told me it was just a fad.........I've been back country skiing with Big Foot and finally came out of the woods for some more trail mix...... I was looking for DB Coopers millions and got lost in the forest......
Hey, you had it good and that ain't bad! Old dogs can get it on in deep powder and the skis don't matter when you are THERE! You'll enjoy the new designs where ever you take them. I'm sort of old school myself and wouldn't be caught dead on a ski wider than 80mm at the waist. If I knew anything about powder skiing I might think differently!? I don't understand the need for extra wide ski. A midfat for the deep and a SL pocket rocket for the groomed, you're set! At least that is where i would start if I were you. For around here, the SL is all that's needed and maybe a twin tip for the park/pipe.
post #19 of 24
Telerod: Perfect; metrons are 76mm at waist.

But I am here to tell you, you can have it all in a B5 Metron!

The Rx-9 was not what I would consider an all around ski at all. Didn't care for it.

Why screww around with a bunch of 1/2 shaped skis. Save some time and more adjustmentmnet and just dive in head first to some real shape!
post #20 of 24
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
Telerod: Perfect; metrons are 76mm at waist.

But I am here to tell you, you can have it all in a B5 Metron!

The Rx-9 was not what I would consider an all around ski at all. Didn't care for it.

Why screww around with a bunch of 1/2 shaped skis. Save some time and more adjustmentmnet and just dive in head first to some real shape!
I second the motion!
post #21 of 24
FISCHER
RX 9 RAILFLEX2
2005 Ski Type: All-Mountain Expert
Price: $975 (includes binding)
Sizes Available: 160-180 cm
Tip/Waist/Tail: 109-69-96
Avg Score: 3.3
I have two friends who have this ski in 180 (the longest they make)
They both have a few pairs of ski's that they rotate through depending on conditions, but this is the ski they spend the most days on. Seems competent doing pretty much everything. Primary purpose is med , to high speed GS turns Thats on groomed, choped pow, slushy. They hold a good line in the steeps under vaiable snow conditions.
I belive (if you can find them, @ a price you can afford) these would be a very solid first modern ski for you. @ 180 length you will have a blast weening down from a 207 GS ski. In soft spring conditions you will have a good time in the bumps too!!

I Demo'd these early this winter and found them to be my favorite ski's ever. I am 5'11 195 (I ski fast) I am currently on Atomic SX11's (supercross) the sx11's are close but require more finessse and effort to ski. I went with the Atomics cuz (Picked up demo set for 200$) coulden't touch the Fishers for less than 600$

MTT
post #22 of 24
Since you are going to be at Mammoth you may want to check out http://www.footloosesports.com/
located there. They review and compare a number of ski brands and models on their website. Also you might check out the Consumer gear reviews here at Epic. There are some excellent ones posted. Even read the ski magazines reviews for what they are worth. Some magazines have their reviews posted on line. Soliciting advice from folks here gives you a pretty good idea of their own likes and biases but they may ski nothing like you or be lighter/heavier than you etc.

Oh yes, and definitely go with the Fischer RX-9. I have a pair and love them.
post #23 of 24
The fat- mid fats work really well for Mammoth.

I am partial to Elan 666 and the Nordica hot rod top fuel. The K2 recon is right up there also. All ski companies make this type of ski. They all seem to be unbelievably great. It is a matter of trying a few and seeing what you like. Don’t be afraid to go short; coming off 204 everything is going to look like a toy but ski like a train.

I know Footloose has the Nordica top fuel, the Fischer Amc 79, Salomon Foil all next year’s skis available for demo; as well as a cast of characters from this years line up. Kittridge has the Volkl AC4 in stock however I don’t know if they are mounted for demo. Good luck finding the Elan’s I think they are sold out.
post #24 of 24
Go fat and never go back
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