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Afraid of the inside edge

post #1 of 8
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Or, I revert to the way I skied at the start of the season, possibly some seasons ago.

I've hinted a bit at this past weekend's frustration in the TT binding mounting thread. Yes, I showed up with inadequate gear.

Terrain: Copper Mtn, refrozen slush with some loose new snow on top.

Explicit initial symptoms: Extremely -loud- ski tips, a resonant scraping that went away only at superbly slow speeds. Outside ski breaking loose at any reasonable speed.

So, I quit angulating (I'm told by skiers behind me) and started banking as a defensive alternative to skidding. When told to stand tall on the outside ski, I merely extended it further, most of the weight on the inside with bent knee to keep the (inside) ski directly underneath. I couldn't 'stand tall' without going back to rotary windshield wipers.

The problems I encountered as a result {backseating, inability to absorb bumps, inability to vary turn radius} were very nicely described by Pierre and VK in the why is banking bad thread.

Originally Posted by Pierre eh!
Banking does not give one the ability to change edge angle without significantly moving the center of mass. This is a big problem that usually manifest itself in a yahd sale.
I refused to move the CM, and, well, you can guess how jerky my transitions were. Unfortunately, I tried to make up for that through absorption, and that just incurred a deep bend at the hips/waist.

Originally Posted by VK
Unless you are a total beginner I prefer to think of that mistake as dropping the inside shoulder. The results are:
- less pressure on the outside ski
- which in turn results in relying more on the inside ski.
- since your inside leg is bent and thus is weaker than the outside, you find yourself scissoring and in the back seat
- teh outcome is a skidded turn and tough time transitioning to the next one.

You may get away with banking only when you are on skis with extreme sidecut and/or on a soft snow. In both cases you do not need much pressure to make a turn
Should I have fought harder to angulate? How? What I had in mind then was primarily based on the Carving Ice thread, ie controlling the position of hips and shoulders. I still could not manage smooth weight transfer in transitions, and this showed up even the day after, when I was on much skis with far more edge control (fatter, longer, stiffer, sharper).

Tell me I haven't stuffed up all I learned this season! (No joke, I really was panicked about that).

I am beginning to think that the 'intermediate plateau' may have a lot to do with bad rental skis.
post #2 of 8
You have not stuffed up all you learned this season.
post #3 of 8
Originally Posted by comprex
...refrozen slush with some loose new snow on top.

Seriously, refrozen, rutted up and slightly covered up so you can't see it. Not exactly the easiest conditions, eh. Cut yourself some slack!!
post #4 of 8
PJ -- we all have bad days.

The day after I skied with you at the ETU I went out in similar conditions (heavy, chunky stuff) with a my volkl 724 EXPs. My legs were tired from the three previous days and I went out on stiffer, heavier skis and I hated it all. Had a really bad day.

Altitude doesn't help either. If you think about why you skied that way, you may come up with some answers. Were you being so self-critical that you fulfilled your own prophecy?

post #5 of 8

perfect cure


find a friend with a boat, some new shaped water skis, and go play. They are a blast! youll forget about that "bad day" pretty quickly.

Youll find that next season, you will be able to add what you "learned" that day to your memories and will actually, in a weird way, be kinda thankful for the experience.
post #6 of 8
PJ, you are way, way, way too hard on yourself. And remember, friend, that I skied with you! Sure, when the going got steep and bumpy, you'd rush the top of your turns. Who (among the mortal) doesn't at times? Your angulation wasn't missing, and was pretty good most of the time, even on pretty steep terrain (like Lower Enchanted and Kaboom). And variable snow (like on Buzzard's Alley). I remember thinking that you were skiing quite fast in difficult snow, and that you were very balanced on your skis...

Frankly, I think it's more about fear and working towards confidence than it is about technique. Cut yourself some slack, friend! We had fun, didn't we?
post #7 of 8
Comprex inadequate gear has much more to do with it than you can imagine in those conditions. A change of one degree of cant under either of my skis and I am beginning to bank enough to really affect my stance. I know what is wrong but I feel in balance and that is why I am banking. If you have much of any pronation, windshield wiper turns are the norm in those conditions.

That is about all I can offer given the information that you provided.
post #8 of 8
You seem to think that your technique had failed to adapt to the conditions du jour.

OTOH, do you think your *tactics* were suitable for such conditions? I mean where you would turn and what line to take? That would determine how firmly you would need to stand on edge, how much force to apply to the snow, how tight to make the turn,how much to pivot, how aggressively you need to move......

I'll submit this possibly interesting question:

My 8 yr old said when she was 7 (in her own words):

"This is not the kind of snow where you can turn anywhere you want -- you can't mold it... you just have to follow it."

What skill(s) are related to what she is talking about?
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