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Buy Elan S12 Fusion Demo?

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
Hello -

I have recently decided that after 20+ years of skiing I want to buy my own skis. After having gone through some exhaustive research (including reading many posts here), I think I have settled on the Elan S12 Fusion 168cm or 176cm. However, I can't really seem to find any on the Internet except for some demos at skiessentials.com.

Has anyone had any experience dealing with this web site before and should I even be considering buying demo skis? I emailed them and they said the bottoms were in excellent condition, but there were some "chunks" out of the top which he said would not affect performance of the ski. I'm not sure I believe that. The price they are asking is $449 for the 04-05 model. Also, should I go for the 168 or 176?

Here are my stats:

Weight/Height: 155-160/5'11"
Level: Advanced - 7-9
Terrain: Ski western only (NM, CO, UT, ID, CA), mostly blacks - groomers, crud, ice, powder
Style: Like to carve (short to medium) on groomers and get off piste occasionally. Powder alright, but not my favorite. Enjoy moguls.
Frequency: Only get to ski about 1-2x per year, usually about 3-4 days each trip.

I know everybody skis what they like, but any other suggestions would be appreciated. I was also considering the Fischer RX8 or RX9, but don't know if I would like feeling "every little bump in the snow" as some others who have skiied them have suggested. Also considering the Rossi Bandit B2 as a mid-fat. Unfortunately, I don't really live in an area where I can demo skis.
post #2 of 12
Get the 176cm.
post #3 of 12
The Elan is a bit damper than the Fischer RX8, but both are great skis. Is that $449 with bindings? If not, I think you can do better. I'll disagree with Ghost and suggest the 168 given your weight and relatively rare skiing.
post #4 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks so far for the suggestions Ghost and SSH. The demos are the Fusion models so they do come with the integrated Tyrolia LD 12 bindings, which in reading here, seems to make the ski perform better.

Can there be that big of a difference b/t the 168 and 176? I have always tried to ski in the 170's, so I am a little hesitant to go as low as a 168 - but in reading some of the other posts, people really seem to like the shorter model.
post #5 of 12
It's been a long day and I didn't fully read your post (I read it all, but only some of it got into my brain). I saw that you liked western skiing and thought deep powder, big mountains high-speed LR turns. Now I see that you like to make short to medium turns and bumps. I recant. Get the 168; it will be better at shorter turns and in bumps. I'm about 5'9" and 170 lbs and found the 168 to be good at that sort of thing. The Elan S12 feels a lot more Buick-like and the RX8 feels more Eagle-Talon-like. The S12 really doesn't like to go straight at speed, but so long as you're turning it's happy.
post #6 of 12
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Originally Posted by ThinkPink
Can there be that big of a difference b/t the 168 and 176? I have always tried to ski in the 170's, so I am a little hesitant to go as low as a 168 - but in reading some of the other posts, people really seem to like the shorter model.
There is quite a big difference, yes. The 168 will turn quicker, and yet provide all of the stability you need. I'm 180lbs and skied it in the 168.
post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ghost
The Elan S12 feels a lot more Buick-like and the RX8 feels more Eagle-Talon-like. The S12 really doesn't like to go straight at speed, but so long as you're turning it's happy.
Appreciate the follow up ssh and Ghost.

Sorry, not to beat a dead horse, but does that mean if I want the occasional burst of speed by going straight that the S12 really wouldn't fit the bill? I do generally turn, but like to ski moderately fast as well, always in control.

Anybody want to weigh in on buying demos?
post #8 of 12
No. You can go fast on the S12s. Speed will not be a problem; they don't mind going fast, and they have the beef to turn you at speed. It's just that, like any shaped ski and more than some, when you want to go absolutely straight and you are skiing over small bumps the sidecut will make them want to turn at every bump. For example if you hapen to be sking with a bump whose peak is on the left side of your skis they will want to turn left. So long as you put in a slight turn they will be fine. The RX8s had this tendency too, but I noticed it more on the S12. By deliberately putting my weight a little further back on the RX8 I was able to settle this tendancy quite a bit, but nothing seemed to help on the S12s except puting them on edge. It was a different day and conditions may have been different though.
post #9 of 12
Thread Starter 
Super great clarification, thank you Ghost.

ssh, thanks for your excellent review of the S12 and other skis in the link you provided.
post #10 of 12
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Originally Posted by ThinkPink
Anybody want to weigh in on buying demos?
Buying demos is like buying a rental car. Only, there is less that's mechanical on a pair of skis! As long as you don't mind that they've been used as "rentals" by others who may have treated them poorly, they are usually a good price. I'd make sure that I can't find them new at an end-of-season sale first.

http://www.untracked.com/highlight-175410.html
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...sPageName=WDVW
even the dawg may have some:
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=25455
post #11 of 12
dawgcatching's shop in Sunriver carries both Elan and Fischer. You might PM and see what me might be able to do pricewise with new skis.
post #12 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks again to everyone who has chimed in on the subject. I have PM'd Dawgcatching to see if he can come up with something and the links above are helpful.

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