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post #31 of 35
If it's only 70 m long, why not just point you tips at the bottom and ski it?
post #32 of 35
The major concern with paying out slack is the possibility of a carthweel type fall. (a good posibility on steep terrain) In this case, slack could very easily wrap itself around the neck of the skier, or around an arm, etc, etc. Falling with the rope wrapped around any part of your body is not pretty, think arms being completely ripped off. (in the event of a long vertical fall, in your case it would probably be much less severe, IE broken limbs and severe rope burns) Also, the elasticity of the rope would drop you off of the cliff if you let out enough for the run. This would leave you stranded halfway down a cliff band, possibly injured, and with no way for the belayer to know what has happened. Also, if you pull out enough slack for the entire run, a fall could result in the rope being pulled laterally as it is coming taunt, possibly resulting in it being severed by a rock. If you don't pull out enough rope for the whole run, you still have the same problem as pulling no slack at all. Personally, I think a slack rope would be more dangerous than no rope.[/quote]

All good points. I have several friends who have jumped off cliffs on 50 m ropes and come away fine, so I know it can be done. One did it for a James Bond movie,another to promote his custom climbing harnesses. I was saying coil the rope up top to keep from getting wrapped in it. Someone might be able to feed it with a loose body belay if they have a good jacket and gloves to keep from beeing burned.

I have seen lead climbers wrap in the rope on the way down and unwrap like yo yo. They all had rope below them to wrap in, but the cartwheel scenario is possible.

I'd use two 8 mil ropes designed to be used as twin ropes for safety. They have the lower impact force than two regular ropes.Check the Mammut catalogue for a good explanation.

The impact force at full length is far far below what it takes to remove a limb. It would kill you if it wrapped around your neck for sure, but the "catch" feels like falling into a bunch of pillows, sort of like a bungy without the rebound.

Anyway, I'd like the rope to be something to save your life if you screw up. If you think you'll probably fall skiing don't do it---just abseil it.
post #33 of 35
The impact force at full length is far far below what it takes to remove a limb.
Correct, however if the rope is entagled around a limb, you are not being caught by the full length of the rope. I've heard of arms being ripped from their sockets when people take a long fall and get entangled. and are stopped short by a relatively short piece of rope. I also don't think that any fall encountered here would be that severe, however I do think it would break some bones and give really bad rope burn. I also agree with your thought of use twin ropes.

If you do use a body belay, bring along a leather jacket. I was thinking about this last night and a motorcycle jacket would be perfect. (you need something to keep from getting rope burn on your back. Normally not a problem for general climbing, but you are going to quickly be pulling rope)
I'm thinking sport bike type jacket, not a normal leather jacket. The more padding and heat protection you can get, the better.
post #34 of 35
i would suggest to mr extremecarver that he try out some roped in skiing on low-angled terrain. Try skiing a 30 degree slope with slack rope with your partner on a fixed anchor uphill and see how hard it is and then come back and tell us whether or not he can deal with it on a 70 degree slope. That's another reason for not skiing roped in imo - as well as mr shortrounds' excellent suggestions below.

I would also suggest to mr extremecarver that handling climbing gear in shorts and t-shirts in summer is a little different then handling climbing gear in full winter gear in snow and ice.

I still insist on pictures
post #35 of 35
I've done a bit of skiing on belay and:

1. You don't need a thick rope on a 70 degree snow slope. The force is not that great. I would use a 8mm rope (beale makes one) called randonnee rope.
2. I use a Omega belay device. It is aluminum, looks a bit like an ATC but it is solid aluminum insteaf of having a wire. It is the only belay device I found where you could give rope fast enough when the other person skis.
3. Skier: attach the rope in front with an eight, then attach a locking biner in the back of the harness, and thread the rop thru the back biner. This way, the rope is always behind you.
4. Start with a meter or so of slack. Any more, and the rope will slide below your skis,a nd you will tangle in it.

The problem is the second skier. You could belay him from the bottom, with a SOLID anchor, but realize he could fall twice the rope length. Not a problem, unless there are some rocks below. Say you skied 100 ft from the top. IF he falls, he will go 200ft, 100 below you. Solution is to ski shorter pitches. You could also leave an anchor above, and belay him from below thru the anchor. A mature tree ( 6 inches in dia) is more than sufficient, as the fall forces will not be that big.

GOOD luck
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