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post #31 of 54
I'm guilty of purchasing gear on E-bay, but with a caveat -- they're all impulse purchases. This is how I ended up with a pair of 198 cm Volkl P40's (Maximum 5 turns down the mtn), a Sims FADER Taylor Hayes snowboard (she's gorgeous -- Taylor that is, the board is garbage but great for rails), and a host of other useless gear in my quiver. At least people have stuff to ride when they visit the ski house! Ah, the life of a gear whore.

All my serious gear purchases, especially boots, are made at local shops. I've got a great relationship with the guys there, and I simply refuse to screw them over in order to save myself a couple bucks -- even if it's a couple hundred bucks. As an instructor and industry insider, I have access to and knowledge of countless places and deals that the average skier is not aware of, yet I routinely pass them up to support my local shop crew. Loyalty is something which seems to have gone the way of rear entry boots these days, and I for one am sad to see it go.
post #32 of 54
I am so sick of garage bootfits on eBay/Internet deals that I am going whole hog this year: road trip to someplace with a real fitter and pester him/her (now there's an interesting thought) for days on end.

I've thrown all the wallet lint on the fire already, very little warmth. Wonder how many BTUs in a pair of eBay Tecnicas, size 26, Hotform liners?
post #33 of 54
About 10 days ago: K2 Seth Vicious
post #34 of 54
I can only think that those that bash retail have never run a business themselves? Sure, there are bad retailers, but alot of times these business owners are genuinely trying to offer competent service with a decent inventory have shoppers come in and use thier brick and mortar only to head to the internet to cut their throat for a 20% savings.

I dont know which came first cynical business owners/poor business owners or customers with no loyalty?

Let the flaming begin...
post #35 of 54
I just got a left over pair of Lange World Cup 130 Low volume. Very nice. I was going to hold off, but My L10's were getting packed out and with my "little feat", I'm really slushing around.

I just switched the custom footbeds in and am heating them up to soften the flo. With any luck, that should be all the fitting they need.

After that, maybe a good ice ski, probably Rossi's VX oversized, perhaps a wider ski for tele.
post #36 of 54
Frankly, the business model is changing - and paying $75 for a non-purchase mount is not too far out of line. Frankly, if you didn't buy them there, why would you expect them to cut you a deal on mounting? Same thing with bootfitting. Buy your boots on the internet, expect to pay to have them fit if they need it.

More than ever, shops are focusing on service as the retail end gets bitten into.

I buy from both - depending on my needs.

My gear budget each year runs to $4000. Yowzer! Right now I'm shopping for new slalom skis, new short summer backcountry skis and a new pair of big stiff all mountain skis. And new AT boots. And bindings for all 3. And a new skinsuit for jr. And new shin guards for jr. Also if I see some good GS skis in a 150-155 for him, I'll get them. And he needs training shorts. And I need new jacket and pants.
post #37 of 54
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Originally Posted by Harry_Morgan
Frankly, the business model is changing - and paying $75 for a non-purchase mount is not too far out of line.

Woah. And I thought the my boss was out of line when he bumped the mounting price up to $20

That being said, I proform my ski gear in the early fall.
post #38 of 54
One good thing about being a Southern Hemisphere skier is that I get to buy my gear from the US or Canada at the end of their season, in plenty of time for our season. I got my new M:EX's delivered about a month ago at a good price.
post #39 of 54
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Originally Posted by weogio
I can only think that those that bash retail have never run a business themselves? Sure, there are bad retailers, but alot of times these business owners are genuinely trying to offer competent service with a decent inventory have shoppers come in and use thier brick and mortar only to head to the internet to cut their throat for a 20% savings.

I dont know which came first cynical business owners/poor business owners or customers with no loyalty?

Let the flaming begin...
I don't mind supporting my local shop owner, but he should at least meet me half way. I don't mind buying some tuning supplies from him, I don't even mind giving him a hefty profit on them, but when he wants two and a half times as much for a pair of skis as another shop an hour away, I have to ask myself if I can really afford to. At the moment I am in greater need of charity than he is.

PS. I buy boots from a place that will be able to make them fit, even if it means paying top dollar.

Just out of curiosity, what is the wholesale price of a pair of SL11s anyways?
post #40 of 54
I tend to be a bottom feeder. I have made relationships with reps and been buying skis direct. For bindings and my Flexons, I was scouring ebay and ski sales. I have my own jigs so mounting was a breeze. I am usually good for 2-3 setups a year with selling off most of my gear to ski buddies. This year was different, I actually bought my Metrons in a store, but I did exhaust all of my connections and even called Atomic to see if I could get them from them. It took 3 phone calls to get with Dalbello for my Kryptons and 1 call back to Volant to get some bindings for my Metrons. In turn, for getting deals, I promote the products and what I save, I hope to help them sell more product.

For next year, as mentioned, the gear purchases will be for the rest of the clan.
post #41 of 54
Well it pretty much comes down to how much you need to have the latest thing, and how much you have to spend. Personally I can't afford to pay top dollar (and I have a terrible gear addiction), so I shop online, and I've hit the local shops at season's end. This year was a dismal snow year where I live, so the season end deals were outrageous. I found a pair of '02 Volant Gravity Power skis, brand new, for $112 (even the '04 Volants were as low as $150), among a huge stock of skis at a big box sporting goods store which was about to warehouse all their ski gear until fall.

I really love getting great skis on the cheap, so I've bought some used set ups online. If you are patient and cagey, you can pay very little for barely used skis, and for a fraction of what they cost new. Sad to say, but some folks, buy first rate gear, and then quit skiing. How happy for me! Even if I had big money, I'd probably still look for new skis on eBay, as I'd rather save hundreds and spend it on beer and pizza at the mountain.

"No matter how much you love them now, eventually, they all become rock skis." -annonymous Snowbowl bartender
post #42 of 54
The only home producer of GS skis (Lusti: www.lusti.cz) promised to supply me with its new GS (less sidecut around 25 m/186-190 cm) in a month.

End of June would still be OK but I suspect they won´t be ready in time and I will be glad to have them in September. Not bad either - in case there will be snow enough in the fall. Last year was extremely poor even on glaciers and there has been the dilemma whether to get used to new skis or to save them for better snow conditions and winter races.
post #43 of 54
I just got a pair of Left over Lange World Cup 130's Yum! Very nice comfy. I can't wait to get back up to Tuckerman to try them out.

In the fall, I'll likely get a pair of Rossi VX oversized (which I demo'd back in Feb at Flatton and really liked for hardpack.)

I buy geat when I can get a deal. That's the long and the short of it.
post #44 of 54

Ski Chalet is in receivership

Telerod:

Ski Chalet is in indeed bankruptcy court but I hadn't heard that the reason was because the owner died. Lots of stuff currently at 50-75% off. Richmond and Tysons Corner stores are closed, and they have two bidders for the company (one of which is the ex general manager).

.....

If I receive service from a local shop, then I will usually pay for that service by buying from the shop, but I almost never pay full retail for anything significant. If you ask or find a hook, it's amazing the number of time you can get 15-20% off even from a retail store. Its much like buying a car, if they believe the choice is a little discount or no sale, they will accept that. I do have an ethical problem with shopping in the stores to see what I like, and then looking for best price on the web. I think this is a major channel control problem for manufacturers in general.

For skis and bindings, local stores are seldom able to provide any real service. The real knowledge here and on RealSkiers far surpasses in depth and breadth what most shop people know. My purchases this year; Head S12 boots at the beginning of the year at 20% off from a local shop (included free alignment), 2006 Head iM77 from Dawgcatching late in the year at a good price based on his "public service" review posted here, and then a pair of Head i.SL Chips on the web after the end of the year based on a review of someone over on RealSkiers combined with Peter's review of the ski. (I really like the Chip ski feel).
post #45 of 54

ISL Chips

Hi Gandalf:

Did you have a chance to try the ISl chips before the snow went away? I'm wondering how they work for you on ice/east coast hardpack?

What length did you end up with?

I'm considering them for next year for when the snow is very firm.

Any deals out there available on the 2004-2005 models?

Thanks,
Gotama
post #46 of 54

i.SL Chips

Gotama:

Just got them last week so haven't skied them. I made the decision based on review from the RealSkiers web site (inserted at the bottom), a review from another guy over on RealSkiers that skis much like me (moving up from Head iC 160, has iM75) and skied this years SL Chip as well as next years SuperShape. He (J Botti) was also going to demo the SL9 but just loved the feel and feedback of the SL Chip and said they really weren't a problem in the bumps. Another guy also demoed the SL Chip vs the Head i.SL (real slalom ski) and confirmed the range of the SL Chip as well as stability and control at higher speeds. I wanted a ski with the versatility to be skied slow with my daughter-in-law or grandkids but that would still perform when I really wanted to ski (I find this low end ability hard to find in the RX8 / 5-6 star upper end type of skis).

I also bought a pair of Head iM77 (Liquid Metal) from Dawgcatching for trips out west and really like the verstility and feel of the Chip skis, but prefer a real slalom footprint for local skiing. I did ski the iM77's a couple of days and really thought they were light and lively and much quicker than I would have expected for such a wide ski. John's comments were that the i.SL Chips have almost the same feel as the other chip skis.

I am 5'11", 195 lbs, 56 years old and bought the ski in a 165cm. (= 12 m radius) from the Starting Gate. They have some listed on their web site (www.startingate.net I think) but also had a demo pair at a better price that were in real good shape.

from RealSkiers (hope this isn't copyright infringement)
One of Harald's favorite skis, the SL Chip is a great masters slalom race ski, as well as a superior ride for fall line hard snow fanatics. A bit tricky in bumps, but doable. Capable of a surprising range of turn shapes; Eastern U.S. and Canada skiers, take note.
post #47 of 54
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Originally Posted by Canyons
Are you likely to buy new ski equipment for next year? If so, when will you make your move?
I buy when I see something I want. This year's most recent purchase was a pair of decent shape 30 year old Miller Softs. Got one day after purchase on light enough powder to see how they skied (great, if the pow really is fluff.) Since I'll have them for all of next season I expect to get 5-6 days on them which is enough to make the $50 a good investment.
post #48 of 54
Quote:
Originally Posted by Canyons
Are you likely to buy new ski equipment for next year? If so, when will you make your move? Will you buy 2006, or older, model skis? Will you purchase the goods from a retailer? Are you willing to pay retail, if the same product is available on-line (ebay, ski forum) at a significantly lower price? How much of a discount will you tolerate for an on-line purchase of 2006 skis/bindings?
Work for a ski shop and will buy new equipment in the fall. If I did not, I would probably not pay retail and would buy on line.
post #49 of 54
Today. Volkl AC3 with PCOS. Followed Max Capacity's advice and have gone shorter this year - 170cm. Don't ask about the price - ouch - but they are new season skis.

Now we just need some snow downunder. Offically the season starts on 11 June, but realistically the cover is usually sketchy until July.
post #50 of 54
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Originally Posted by Taxman
Today. Volkl AC3 with PCOS. Followed Max Capacity's advice and have gone shorter this year - 170cm. Don't ask about the price - ouch - but they are new season skis.

Now we just need some snow downunder. Offically the season starts on 11 June, but realistically the cover is usually sketchy until July.
Good choice. I skied the AC3 and AC4s in Feb and both were excellent skis.
post #51 of 54
I was thinking about the Volkl AC3. Unfortunatly I have not demoed them. I got a great deal on 2004-2005 Volkl 5 stars for $275 that were used maybe 4 times. I could not pass up that deal. It was time to trade in my 2002-2003 Volkl T50 5 stars that have been awesome for 3 seasons and 120+ days. I plan to demo the new Allstars, AC3 and AC4 next season. Will see what they got. I also got to demo the new redesigned Subaru Outback.
post #52 of 54
I am strting to buy my equipment now. Next years technology isnt really any better than this years. That said I need a pair of Dynastar Legend 8000's in a 165 or 170. Having trouble finding it. Antone know where I can get the pair or want to sell me their used set in great condition?
post #53 of 54
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Originally Posted by catskills
I was thinking about the Volkl AC3. Unfortunatly I have not demoed them. I got a great deal on 2004-2005 Volkl 5 stars for $275 that were used maybe 4 times. I could not pass up that deal. It was time to trade in my 2002-2003 Volkl T50 5 stars that have been awesome for 3 seasons and 120+ days. I plan to demo the new Allstars, AC3 and AC4 next season. Will see what they got. I also got to demo the new redesigned Subaru Outback.
5 stars or the new Allstars would be my choice for eastern skiing. The AC3 is a good all mountain ski for the west but will ski eastern conditions well. I tried them on Michigan "powder." The AC4 is a big mountain western ski and I would not ski that in the east.
post #54 of 54
I bought the 05-06 Rossi z-9 with bindings in Feburary with an introductory pro deal after demoing them (for a little less than proform prices). I usually buy in November, but took advantage of the deal. I may still buy another pair of skis in November.
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