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Heavenly vs. Squaw vs. Mammoth?

post #1 of 35
Thread Starter 
Hola again! Heavenly: 4800 acres/91 trails, Squaw: 4000 acres/100+ trails, Mammoth: 3500 acres/150 trails. All three have similar # of lifts, as well a similar vertical. So.....,

1. Are Heavenly and Squaw's trails Longer and Wider than Mammoth's?

2. Is the acreage really "skiable acres" at each one?

3. Which one "skies bigger"? You know, you definitely feel it's a BIG mountain?

4. Mammoth grooms many more trails than the others, consistently, but are they shorties?

post #2 of 35
Heavenly has more trails you can fall asleep skiing than any of the others. Great steep terrain in a couple of places, but not much of it at all.

Squaw has great terrain but the stuff between the stuff ya want is completely broken up with all these strange, criss-crossing lift patterns, and lots of civilian traffic, i.e. the scariest thing about the difficult terrain is traversing the greens and blues to get there.

Mammoth has fantastic long runs off the upper mountain. Check out the tram, chair 22, chair 23, etc. Definitely has more "big mountain" appeal. Never been there on a weekend so I don't know about the Fred factor.
post #3 of 35

Some observations

1. It's impossible to generalize about the realitive length and width of the trails
2. The acreage for Heavenly is total acreage and a lot of it isn't skiable. Now a lot of the acreage at Mammoth and Squaw isn't skiable by normsl skiers either !
3. Mammoth skis bigger in my book 'cause it links better together. But don't underestimate Squaw which has lots of hidden areas.
4. There are some nice long Mammoth groomers

Where are you going with your questioning ? Are you planning a vacation ? Note each location is very different - gambling and big name entertainment at Heavenly, big name skiers and other ski choices at Squaw, big mountain and hot springs at Mammoth. Note Heavenly and Squaw have Lake Tahoe and get the Northern Californian crowds, Mammoth is The Southern Californian mountain.
post #4 of 35
Originally Posted by JSA
Heavenly has more trails you can fall asleep skiing than any of the others. Great steep terrain in a couple of places, but not much of it at all.

Squaw has great terrain but the stuff between the stuff ya want is completely broken up with all these strange, criss-crossing lift patterns, and lots of civilian traffic, i.e. the scariest thing about the difficult terrain is traversing the greens and blues to get there.

Mammoth has fantastic long runs off the upper mountain. Check out the tram, chair 22, chair 23, etc. Definitely has more "big mountain" appeal. Never been there on a weekend so I don't know about the Fred factor.
LMAO!!!!!!!! So funny and so dead on accurate.
post #5 of 35
Link to another thread on size of US ski areas: http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=20610
Of three you mention, I believe conventional wisdom would rank them in size:
1. Mammoth
2. Squaw
3. Heavenly
I haven't been to first two, but thought Kirkwood's 2300 acres skied bigger than Heavenly.
post #6 of 35
Thread Starter 
Tks bears!
JSA - Heavenly that bad eh? Well, I'll give it 1-2 days if the sun is out. Squaw traverses and criss-crossing, if it is anything like Killington, mama mia!!!! But, there must be a few uninterrupted groomers there, I hope. Mammoth, seems you like this the best. In fact, I was planning 6 days there, hopefully ski in or out, at least walk-to lifts, and near Town for my AM/PM strolls.

TruckeeLocal - If an area has more "skiable acres" with less "named runs", then these runs are either longer, wider or both, n'est ce pas? My queries are to help me plan and allocate # days/resort for our 12/29-1/11 skiing and Disneyland trip (3 days Disney, 12-13 days skiing). Would you know if Heavenly would be much more crowded than Squaw 12/29-1/3? Gracias.

Jamesj - Gracias! I read your Tahoe trip report, and was going to reply but you beat me to it! I'll probably re-read your article and ask you from there; Ok if I PM you? Conventional wisdom and first-hand observations definitely more accurate than each property's PR figures! BTW, we lived in DC '82-'86, and that's where I got hooked on skiing. You name it, I skied them all (well almost) in PA, WV, VA, MD and points north, with the fondest memories from Seven Springs and Sugarloaf, Sunday River and Tremblant. We now live in the caribbean, so East Coast not really our bag during Xmas/early January, weather, etc.
post #7 of 35
Firstly, the disclaimer. I have skied 1 day at Heavenly, 1 day at Squaw and we are just back from 6 days at Mammoth, so that is the limit of my knowledge.

My view......go to Mammoth.

It is an easy drive from LA- in good weather. We arrived at LAX,stayed the night close by and drove up the Sunday morning. Get on the 405 North (which becomes I 5 for about 2 miles )then turn off onto CAL 14 and point the car forwards for about 300 miles, then turn off to Mammoth. A lot of the drive is not that exciting -but it picks up when you get into the mountains when the scenery gets better. You get a lot of bugs splattered on the windscreen in the desert bit (but you also get to drive by the aircraft park at Mojave which is a bit surreal)

If you can avoid traffic you can easily average 65mph most of the way so it is a 5 hour drive with no stops (we took just over 6 there and back including a lunch stop both times. If you are prepared to risk it you can go faster, just not legally tho there is a 70 mph bit for part of the way)

From the above you will see we spent a lot more time at Mammoth than the others. My sense was it skis a lot bigger than Heavenly and some way bigger than Squaw. The downside (if it is one) is that you have Mammoth and June (which we never got to) but not much else whereas Tahoe has more options for other areas. That said we skied 6 days at Mammoth and I dont think we came close to using all available options.(My two sons and I are black diamond skiers, including those at Mammoth- they would do double blacks if they didnt have their cautious dad along with them)

Mammoth had huge amounts of groomed terrain, including groomed blacks. Personally I thought some of the blacks were really dark blues. The double blacks, however, verged ,in some cases, on the insane. There was not an huge amount of green or easy blue, but a great deal to keep the reasonably proficient skier happy for a long time.

It helped that conditions were great. An 18 ft base, 15 inches of fresh powder for our first day (definitely not any kind of cement), 4 days clear blue skies, 1 day snowing all day but easily skiable and great conditions from 11am on and 1 day which was a bit yuugh, so we finished early.

The town is low key, some nice restaurants but not a "town centre" as such....you need a car and you may spend time in your condo rather than outside.The people we dealt with were universally delightful. You can access the mountain from 4 locations, we used the Eagle base which was very convenient to our condo and got you onto the lift system very easily.

Saturday (9 April) was busier than weekdays but by no means a problem. If we had to wait 5 mins for a lift on Saturday, it was no more than that. Weekdays we walked on.
post #8 of 35

Wow - skiing New Year's

First - to state the obvious - New Years is a zoo (although New Years Day tends to be relatively quiet). But it will be more of a zoo at Heavenly which may or may not be a good thing. Squaw disperses the skiers better than Heavenly. And Squaw has got some lower altitude skiing if the weather is nasty. Heavenly is worth a visit though 'cause The Lake is more a part of the skiing experience there. And it's neat to be able to ski two states with views of the high desert, and the proximity of the casinos. It's just that Squaw and Mammoth are more 'hard core'. And close to Squaw is Alpine Meadows which is worth a visit.

As for skiable acres - a lot of Heavenly is indeed big wide (flatish) groomers especially on the Nevada side.
post #9 of 35
I agree with many of the posts here. You did not state the type of skiing you are wanting to do. Any of these resorts at that time will be a zoo, period. Any chance you could come a few days later? You would be almost by your-self.

I ski/like Alpine a lot, but with the cheapest tickets they will be very crowded during that time. Hevenly will be dodge a cod. Squaw as mentioned can move more people. They have the Red Dog and Squaw Creek chairs down low and some of the best groomed runs. They have very little traffic. Also of Squaw Creek chair has some great tree skiing if there is enough snow and rarely anyone there.

Mammoth if you get a ski in and out may not be to bad. They have some great groomers as well as good steeps on the upper mountain. Because of the elevation there are not many trees on top, so on storm days, ect. can be tough (I once had to feel with my pole to find the edge of a cornice, there was no way to see how far the drop was, luckly it was only 7-8 feet but a long drop when you don't know). But with less trees on top it seems bigger and skis bigger. In flat light it is nice to head to the trees and get a referrence of the terrain which Alpine and Squaw have.
Good Luck!
post #10 of 35

Clever comment on the nom de guerre…I did not think of that! I guess I better mind my p’s and q’s.

About mammoth: the mountain is very big and skis big. The village is small and strolls small. The “town” is spread out, like southern California- surprise!

I think you are into long groomed runs. Everyone has there own favorites. To name a couple, from the gondola (g2) take Cornice down to the main lodge via Gremlins Gulch or St. Anton. Or, from the top of Face Lift (3)go around back down to China Bowl, examine the steam vent , then take Coyote down to the Mill area. I bet your kid makes you go down lower dry creek and shows you the snow cave. These runs are plenty long. Also explore the chair 14 and 22 areas. Find a trail map; take a look.

I suggest after your son has a lesson or two, that the family spend a day and ride every chair. There are a lot of them and you will learn your way around. Kids love that kind of goal oriented exploration.

Have the Mammoth Lakes Visitor Bureau send you a visitors guide. Or look at: http://www.visitmammoth.com/
It should clarify things.

Don’t know much about Tahoe
post #11 of 35
As a SoCal resident (4.3 million vertical lifetime at Mammoth, 1.3 million at Tahoe) I can add a little to the above comments, which are in general quite accurate.

I get the impression you have a range of ski abilities in your group. Vail and Mammoth are by far the best big mountains I've skied anywhere for a diverse group.

Squaw is about as big as Mammoth when it's loaded with snow, but not a good place for intermediates during busy times. It needs about 6 feet of coverage, which is not automatic at Christmas. But it is a must for the advanced skiers if it has the 6 feet.

The comments on Heavenly are right on. Alpine and Kirkwood are comparable in quantity of usable ski terrain. Those two plus Sugar Bowl will have the most snow in the Sierra if the early season is mediocre or worse.

The Christmas-to-New-Year's crowd problems apply to Disneyland at least as much as to the ski resorts. I suggest you visit before the Rose Bowl tourists arrive Dec. 26.

Mt. Baldy was outstanding on New Year's Day this year. That happens maybe once every 10 years.
post #12 of 35
Since no one else has mentioned it, Kirkwood deserves your attention on this trip. They implemented high angle grooming with winch cats this year, and the results on that terrain are spectacular. If there is a drawback, it is that there is only one high speed quad (cornice express) at this point. Kirkwood offers great alpine views of the Mukolumne wilderness, a compact ski village, and the best snow in the Sierras. Accomodations at the ski area, in Gardnerville NV and is accessible in less than 30 minutes out of South Lake Tahoe or 15 minutes from Sorensens Resort in Markleyville (family cabins along Hwy 89 in Hope Valley).

In the South Lake Tahoe area, Sierra at Tahoe is another nice place that offers nice steep groomed conditions. No village here, just a lodge, but great skier's area. Avoid weekends if possible. SAT and Homewood are best bets for a storm day when Heavenly, Kirkwood, Squaw and Alpine are likely to be on wind hold. If its storming, avoid Heavenly all together. Without the view, and with the upper mountain on wind hold, there is nothing here, move along.

Heavenly has taken quite a beating in several threads. It can be a good cruising mountain. The area is probably best seen as 5 or 6 separate ski areas joined by traverses:
1 The Face, Hogsback and Gunbarrel;
2 Sky Express, Canyon Express and Powderhorn Express;
3 Comet and Dipper (avoid Galaxy area);
4. Mott Killebrew Canyons;
5. Stagecoach, North Bowl, Olympic;
6 The Gondola and Tamerack just connect between CA and NV

Once you know how to move around, the place is OK, and the traverses discourage snowboarders. If its a crowded day, there will be almost no one on North Bowl and Olympic (slow chairs). There are some good tree runs in those areas as well that take longer to track out. As you can see, this area is cut up and much criticism of Heavenly comes from those that only ski a fraction of the area and never have seen the whole place. If you ski off-piste, you will begin to see where some of the claimed 4800 acres comes from, but truth is, you would have to climb to the top of Monument Peak which their maps show as inbounds.

Anyway, I ski all three areas quite a bit and am rarely bored. Hope you have a great trip.
post #13 of 35
Re-reading your original post and the replies, I realize I missed your focus on groomed trails and interpreted the question about "big mountain" as being about big mountain skiing.

If there's a split in your group, go to Mammoth. I've only skied a couple of groomers there but but I've seen people skiing them and they look great; most importantly, there's something for low-intermediate to expert skiers to find off any chair, i.e. someone can ski a groomer and someone else can ski a 40 degree chute and they can ride the same chair.

If the group doesn't have any top-end skiers you might be happy at Heavenly, but there aren't very many challenging lines for big mountain style skiers except in one particular area of the hill, which will be inaccessible (or at least a long cat track traverse back to the chair) for anyone else in your group.

I don't see any reason for your group to go to Squaw unless if no one's there for the advanced off-piste terrain in particular.
post #14 of 35
Thread Starter 
I'm back, sorry for delay.

Colin - in retrospect, would you add more days to H and S and detract from Mammoth, or vice-versa? Tks for Mojave airplane detail, must-see. Our skill-level, those dark-blues and steep GROOMED single diamonds you mention, enough for 7 days? Is the Eagle base good for strolling thru both Mammoth Village and Town of Mammoth?

TruckeeLocal - would 1/1 be relatively quiet, considering?

gobig - GROOMED Blues and Single Diamonds, occasional Powder, no moguls!

underh_ng... - nice pointers! Would lodging near Canyon Lodge be the most equi-distant to Lifts/Village/Town of Mammoth?

Tony Crocker - Vail skiing similar to Mammoth? At Vail we usually ski the Front side, and some of Bowls, don't enjoy BS Basin.

Cirquerider - tks for high-wind suggestions, will keep in mind. Why avoid Galaxy? Sboarders discouraged, nice until my kid gets into them in 2 years! If Kwood adds at least 1 more express, then by all means, now that grooming is more prevalent (it seemed too wild for my taste).

JSA - Squaw, are you implying it is not "great" for intermediate groomers? Their grooming report shows quite a few of these runs available, especially off Shirley.

post #15 of 35

New Years Day skiing

I remember skiing New Years Day a decade or so ago, at Heavenly no less, and thinking it was like Super Bowl Sunday, i.e. surprisingly quiet. But please don't hold me to it 'cause Heavenly very specifically picks up a huge new years eve crowd for partying at State Line - some National TV crews film the party there every year. I now hibernate over that holiday weekend. Hell I hibernate just about every weekend unless we've got house guests By the way Squaw seems to be much quieter these days because Alpine Meadows has priced them out of the market - $39 at Alpine, $60+ at Squaw. Also, if Squaw is busy parking can be an issue there as half their parking lot is now a 'Village'.
post #16 of 35
RE: Galaxy. Sorry should have explained. It is a long flat valley served by a slow double chair. Trail is nearly a mile long and only 600 vertical. Quiet place to kill a lot of time, but no thrill. Nuff said?
post #17 of 35
The topography of Vail and Mammoth are different. What they have in common is an abundance of terrain at all ability levels (and snow reliability). They both have a lot of areas where intermediates can experiment with ungroomed terrain because of wide open spaces that don't get heavily mogulled.

Shirley Lake is only 700 vertical. The intermediate terrain at Squaw has very high skier density on weekends and holidays. It doesn't sound right for your group. Alpine Meadows has most of the terrain attributes I described about Vail and Mammoth, but on a smaller scale.

Cirquerider's comments about Heavenly are correct. With decent navigation it's an excellent intermediate mountain and you will enjoy it a lot (not to mention the amazing scenery) if it's not too busy. Not good at all for beginners though.

I also agree that you will like Sierra-at-Tahoe. Kirkwood does have the best snow at Tahoe and I love it, but there is a very sharp demarcation between a low intermediate lower mountain and consistently steep upper terrain. You will like those few winch-catted upper runs, but you better get them early as they are bumpy by lunchtime on busy days.

With the more specific comments about your skiing preferences I would recommend splitting a 12-day trip between Mammoth and South Tahoe, hitting all 3 areas at the latter.
post #18 of 35
We've got around 16 resorts in Tahoe area. But IMHO....
  • Heavenly.
  • Kirkwood
  • Homewood
  • Not Squaw. Whatever the maps and groom reports show, it's really not a cruiser's groomer mountain.
  • Squaw
  • Mt Rose Chutes
Off Piste:
  • Squaw
  • Kirkwood to a lesser degree
  • Mt Rose Chutes
post #19 of 35
You should probably pick somewhere less crowded for New Year's week. Like Grand Targhee, or one of the Montana areas (shut up gonz). Or consider going to Taos and doing the ski better week so you get lift cuts. But if you do end up going to Mammoth, I can give you some tips on how to avoid the crowds.
post #20 of 35
BTW, here is a video of Baldy on New Year's Day.
post #21 of 35
http://www.firsttracksonline.com/boa...opic.php?t=423 includes my and other Baldy pics from New Year's Day.

With increased lift capacity Mammoth is less crowded than the major Tahoe areas. It's not an unreasonable choice for your group, given terrain advantages and that you're doing Disneyland first.

Jim S touches on hitting some of the smaller areas at Tahoe as a means of avoiding crowds. I would agree with that but warn of severe traffic around the main casino area of South Shore and all along North Shore and 89 between Tahoe City and Squaw Valley. On busy days at Tahoe you have to be disciplined about getting out the door early to beat the traffic and get decent parking at the hill, not always easy to do with kids.

Homewood and Mt. Rose do have enough terrain that you would enjoy for a day. I'm not sure from your comments whether anyone in your group is up to the Mt. Rose Chutes. My report and pics from Mt. Rose Feb. 20: http://www.firsttracksonline.com/boa...opic.php?t=728 .

Nobody in their right mind should advance book Taos at Christmas, as coverage is rarely adequate by then. Taos had a great season this year and it was still only 50% open at Christmas. Targhee and Big Mountain are both family friendly and good off-the-beaten-path choices for Christmas.
post #22 of 35
Thread Starter 
TruckeeLocal - your current hibernation has nothing to do with w/ends, more so the meds for your Cbone. Get well soon!

Cirquerider - 'nuff said is right! But, I'm one of PT Barnum's suckers, so will explore all the groomers, at least once!

JimS - Kirkwood Groomers? I thought they relished their powder, skiers mountain, etc. Does this mean they need to attract more of us long and steep groomer-lovers?

MilesB - 99% sure Tahoe and Mammoth, thanks for pointer offers, I'll request them when I've plunked down the $$$ so as not to bug you too much.

Mr. Crocker - you deserve this Title now that I saw your WebSite, fantastico! Squaw will be ONLY on sunny day. Kirkwood is on everyone's list, although I thought their b&b is black powder runs? Since we are driving up from LA, I want to spend more time (hopefully in a cheap condo walk-to lifts) at Mammoth towards the latter part of our ski days (1/3-10), and allow 5 days @ Tahoe 12/29-1/2. Since ski in/out at Tahoe resorts is either minimal or VERY expensive, we'll stay in Reno or South Shore; my wife and son are trained (smiles coming after breakfast) to be out the door for at least a 15 minute prior-to-opening time at the resorts, so no worries about morning traffic, we'll deal with evening traffic at leisure.

MileB and Mr. Crocker posted Mt. Baldy photos. I had thought of skiing there on way to and from Tahoe/Mammoth, to lessen the drives a bit, Conditions prevailing. What ye think? Others said skip it.
post #23 of 35
Baldy is expert oriented with minimal grooming and snowmaking, sort of like Mad River Glen. And rarely (<10%) is there enough snow by New Year's. Check my website when you're at Disneyland (http://bestsnow.net/cal0506.htm file not created yet) and I will have commentary on what SoCal local skiing is worthwhile. See http://bestsnow.net/cal0405.htm for review of this season down here. In all honesty I can't really recommend you ski here vs. the Sierra.

Not that many condos at Mammoth are walk-to-the-lifts, and those that are won't be cheap at Christmas. The drive from town up the mountain is only 10-15 minutes, and I personally like to be based at the centrally located Chair 2 & 10 (now named Stump Alley/Gold Rush) area.
post #24 of 35
Thread Starter 
Tony Crocker - your comments on Baldy have been echoed by watersurgeon at Mammoth Forum (a funny review); "bye bye baldy".

Any other SoCal mountain worth the time, depending on conditions?

The location you suggest in Mammoth, how far a walk to Town of Mammoth for strolls?
post #25 of 35
I do ski some at Big Bear and Mt. High, but they are typical "urban ski areas" in terms of snowmaking dependence and skier density. Due to the SoCal surf/skate scene their clientele is 2/3 snowboard and they are competitive with destination resorts only for their extensive terrain parks IMHO. Baldy is one of those retro "skiing in its natural state" areas that we local fanatics treasure. But snow reliability is extremely erratic and conditions can go from awesome (Dec. 30 - Jan. 6) to miserable (15 inches of rain Jan. 8-11) in a short time.

The short answer is no, spend your time in the Sierra.

Mammoth has a new Intrawest Village, good for "strolls", but it is way expensive for Christmas and I have also heard that it's noisy if you stay there. Viewpoint is a 1970's vintage but well-managed condo (760-934-3132, 800-826-6680) about a 5-minute walk from that village, and a 1-bedroom condo was $175 + 12% tax per night for winter weekends this season.

The original town of Mammoth along Old Mammoth road is not conducive to "strolls." Remember Mammoth evolved as a weekend resort for SoCal skiers. Everybody up there has a car and uses it to get around. The public transit from town to mountain is pretty good and you should use it if there is chain control and you don't have 4WD. But also remember that if weather is really bad you should go to June, even though it may take close to an hours in snowy conditions.
post #26 of 35
In my view you will not be doing much (any?) strolling round Mammoth !! It is not like say Whistler in that respect. There is no "walking village" as, for example, I would expect to see in the Alps and which has been created at Whistler. The "village area" is strung along various 2 or 4 lane highways and the only people I saw walking were doing so as part of a fitness regime ie power walkers. Everybody else was in a car or a bus(free I believe).

I have to say that I wasnt struck by Heavenly, bar the views which are great. Look at any advert for the resort and you can see a shot of a run with the Lake in the background.To be there in real life and see it for real is good, the skiing I found less so, but that may just be me and when we hit it, which was after the others and at a time when it was much busier than where we had been before. Maybe I just had a bad day.

Kirkwood has a great reputation but we never got there so I dont know about it

If you stay in Reno do the North shore resorts such as Squaw, Alpine Meadows, Sugar Bowl, Mount Rose(probably the closest to Reno) and Northstar, it is a bit of a trek to stay North and ski South or vice versa.

I second Tony Crocker on location for your condo, if you can get up early then you should be able to get parked (although our April experience may not be the best guide for your proposed New Year experience). There were no problems when we were there, even on the weekend
post #27 of 35
Hola Gpaul,

This is my unbiased answer to your question

You have four choices:

1) Stay at the Mammoth Mountain Inn
Pro: It is walk to the main lodge. The skiing is arguably best on that side of the hill.
Con: You eat at the inn restaurants or drive/bus (10 min) back to town. Some of rooms are grim.

2) Stay at the village
Pro: It is convenient. Walk to village-duh, ski via village gondola, underground parking, I believe the front desk will van you anywhere you want-cool. Kitchens. Rentals and lift tickets in village
Con: Elevator, no wood burning fireplace, can be very noisy if you are over a bar pick your room carefully. Small rooms. You start and stop at Canyon Lodge which in my opinion can be a no fly zone.$$$

3) Juniper Springs area (little eagle/#15)
Pro: Ski in ski out, lots of little kids, it is fun to watch people get on the six person chair i.e. few Angelinos can count to six. Easy drive to town or village for meals/shopping .You can eat lunch in your condo. kitchens
Con: The rooms are very very small, the snow can be thin there; the run down is very green. Elevators.

4) A condo not rented by Mammoth Mountain
Pro: Price, square footage, wood burning fireplace, space .In other words you really are in the mountains.
Con: very very very few ski in out, very few walk to lifts which you seem to be looking for.

If you go this route a walk to restaurants or the village is available. Close to a shuttle stop is nice if people in you party are starting or stopping at different times; or if the roads are snowy.

My biased answer:
Rent a condo near a bus stop. Get up early, drive, park at the mill (chair 2) or if you must little eagle; then enjoy the first chair corduroy or powder. Ski until 4:30 go home eat ,sleep, and do it again.
Hint: some units are nice and some are dumps; therefore, book early and get the location and quality level you want.
post #28 of 35
Thread Starter 
Sr. Tony, SoCal no way! If I were local, by all means, tks for heads-up. June definitely on my list while at Mammoth, good for 2 days for strong intermediates? If lucky I'll get walk-to lifts, close to Village and Town. Other than that, on the shuttle route so I don't have to wait for late risers on given mornings.

Hi Colin! I'm leaning towards 10 days Mammoth, 2 days June, and for the year after all the time at Tahoe (and Disney again, I think). I want my family to "relax" more than travel. We'll see. How would you compare the skiing in your Alps favorites vs. Mammoth, and Tahoe? It's a long trip from Edinburgh to the West.

underhang, what a great piece of info! Gracias. I'm leaning towards the condo rentals by non-Mammoth operations. I'd probably get a better deal for long stay (see above), and we actually enjoy cooking-in for dinner on many nights, especially if we have a BBQ for those juicy veal/steak cuts (we don't eat much meat except when skiing). I'm in the final planning stages.... for a trip only 9 months away...
post #29 of 35
The new Intrawest Village and "Town" are not walking distance from one another. Being convenient to the shuttle route so people can come and go independently is a good idea.

Mammoth has one supermarket, Von's. It is absolutely crazy during peak vacation periods. Hit the Von's in Bishop (and don't miss Schat's Bakery there either) on the way up to stock your first few days of food. Then you can pick an off-peak time to replenish in Mammoth.
post #30 of 35
Baldy looks sweet being so close to LA. 2000 vert of steep trees thats got to be tough to beat. I am suprised they don't go for the mass market with lots of intermediate cruisers, they could make a fortune, of course they would ruin the place. I looked at your pics from there and saw your buddy fall on the ice, you guys don't see much of that stuff huh? Is that the same buddy who ripped his pants in the other picture?

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