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post #1 of 12
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Comments by skier:"ryan, april 10, mt. baldy, california. spring snow, 35-degree pitch."
post #2 of 12
Nice, ryan!

I can't criticize, but what made you drop your left hand behind you on your second turn at the top?
post #3 of 12
thanks, dchan.

first, constructive, please. i see some clear problems, i'd like to get some hints on how to address the issues rather than just "you're finishing your turns in the back," etc. please use that as a STARTING point.

one thing i've been playing with/working on is the footwork at turn transition. on steeper terrain i am - as you see - not on top of the skis where i'd like to be.

other than that, have at it.


- ryno hide

some helpful feedback i received via PM:

"I see your riding out the turn instead of being willing to commit further to the fall line and enter the next turn earlier. This I think is the real barrier I see here. This is a mental thing (issues of fear, confidence, commitment, ...). "Symptoms" include hips relatively behind the feet, more flexion/crouch than necessary, etc. But I don't think these are the things to focus on. A further commitment to the fall line and turns to keep you in the fall line (and not riding your skis across it) will help correct all of the symptoms. Of course in order to meet this level of performance you've got to keep your feet "under you" as you've mentioned. This may require corrective actions at times to allow you to maintain your agressiveness."
post #4 of 12
Hey Ryan,

I would work towards a taller stance in all parts of the turn. Next time you are in your ski boots try extending as much as you can and flexing as much as you can. When you are flexing try to get your hips to go straight down towards your feet. At some point your hips will start moving backwards instead of down towards your feet. That is about as flexed as you ever want to get for most skiing. Any farther and you have to overflex at the hip and use your upper body to keep you forward.

Good Luck.
post #5 of 12
Ryan, youre skiing looks good. Its steep and the snow is wet but what the heck, its never perfect is it?

I think your main problem has to do with the fact that you keep rotating with your hipps. Look at all your turns, your outside ski skidds away. This is because you rotate with your hipps and your outside ski looses grip and edge. The hip rotation again has to do with no upper/lower body separation and the fact that you bring forward your ski pole at the end of your turn. My remedy would be to start your turn earlier, stay longer in the fall line and lean into the turn with your hipps. Keep your upper body countered more in the fall line all the time, keep your weight more on the outside ski and use pole entisipation.
post #6 of 12
Good observation of the outside ski skidding away through the finish of the turn. However it is caused by the weight being on the inside ski and not hip rotation.

Ryan does have some upper lower body separation, he could have more but he wont be able to get it until he starts skiing in a more extended stance.

When you over flex your ankles, knees, and hip it really cuts down on your ability to turn your legs underneath your upper body.

So the focus should be on a functionally balanced stance first and then on steering the legs.
post #7 of 12
Greetings Ryan and DC,

Here's what I see:
It's a steep slope. Getting down without falling or stopping is a major accomplishment. Coming down with some rhythm is a big plus. I see good shaping of the turns with the outside ski, getting on edge above the fall line, good use of pole touch for timing and active flexion and extension of the legs. When the snow flies off the ski, it starts from in front of the binding. That's good.

You are finishing most of your turns with a collapse at the waist. This puts your butt in the back seat. On your left turns, the ski tip comes off the snow. You have to because from the position you're in that's the only way to turn the ski fast enough. This causes a wedge position by the time you hit the fall line. On your right turns, you use a variety of different techniques that have better results (right turns 1, 3 and 4). The common theme is that you are letting your hips get inside the skis more on the right turns.

You can see the whole sequence from the start of the 3rd left turn into the fourth right turn. From the start of the left turn (frame 120 7.14 seconds), you can see the uphill ski is flat, but the downhill ski is still on the uphill edge. The weight is clearly in the back seat and the uphill ski is angled about 45 degrees away from the fall line. As the uphill ski goes onto the new edge, the new inside ski must be lifted (frame 124 8.03 sec). When it's set down, you skid from frames 128-132 (8.07 seconds) and the upper body collapses to absorb the impact. You step up to get the weight forward (frames 139-143 - 9.03 seconds - note the timecode on the video is messed up from the compression). Because you're more patient on the flatter terrain and the brush funnels you, you let your hip drift to the inside you can let your hips drift to the inside of the new turn instead of picking up your inside ski to force it around. The main difference between the left turn and the right turn, though is a better recovery to get the weight more forward/taller stance at turn initiation (frame 137-138)


Here's what I want to see:
Upper body remaining more vertical than the lower body.
Both skis changing edges at the same time.
The ski tips spending more time on the snow.
Weight closer to the center of the skis at the end of the turn.


Here's how we're going to do it:
Smile at the camera when you go by!

Finish your turns more across the hill. Instead of finishing with the skis at a 45 degree angle, continue the turn until they are at a 60 degree angle (e.g. frame 92 - 6 seconds). Rounding the bottoms of the turn more will help you add more roundness to the tops of your turns as well. More roundness to the turns will help alleviate the need to absorb so much pressure from bending at the waist. You can also help accomplish the stand taller advice by using your ab muscles more to resist getting folded over.

Focus on movement of the hips into the new turn. As you are standing up to start the new turn, think about getting the inside hip ahead of the outside hip and letting the inside leg collapse as the outside leg lengthens. See frame 98 (upper part of the 3rd right turn). Here your hips are more over the skis than they are downhill/inside and the skis are relatively flat on the snow. If your hips were moved more toward your downhill hand, your skis would be higher on edge and you would be rounding the top of the turn more. You do a little bit of the move by frame 101. We want to see more, earlier.

Practice the moves on easier terrain. It's hard to learn anything on runs this steep.
BTW - I'm using V1 home software to see the frame numbers on the video. You won't see this using a run of the mill media player. You can download a copy of this for free at the V1 web site (click on V1 Home and scroll to the bottom to see the free download link)
post #8 of 12
Like theRusty notes, you need to add roundness to your turn starts, and you can't practice that where steepness makes you want to hurry. On easier terrain, I'd ask you to stand taller and feel passing through neutral with equally weighted skis flat on the snow, followed by gradual engagement of the new edges as the inside hip moves forward into the turn. When this feels natural, you can try it on gradually increasing steepness. It'll take more than just a run or two on flatter terrain, however. It takes patience to develop patience. But the result is more than worth the effort.
post #9 of 12
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Originally Posted by boozer
Good observation of the outside ski skidding away through the finish of the turn. However it is caused by the weight being on the inside ski and not hip rotation.

Ryan does have some upper lower body separation, he could have more but he wont be able to get it until he starts skiing in a more extended stance.

When you over flex your ankles, knees, and hip it really cuts down on your ability to turn your legs underneath your upper body.

So the focus should be on a functionally balanced stance first and then on steering the legs.
Ok, I see what you mean with the weight on the inside ski and you are right. This is very typical when run is this steep. You become more causius and sometimes even scared and this results in weighting the inside ski too much. Also leaning inside as well. However, I would still see it as an outcome of the hip rotation but these are all closely related. Also now when I monitor the poleplant closer I see clearly that it is combined with the outside ski skidd come to a halt and shifting of weight to new ouside ski. I also feel feel it is made too far forward. As I mentioned earlier, antisipation here would make wonders. Now it connects with inside ski weighting, hip rotation and outside ski skidding. Ryan also has a bad habbit to leaning on his inside pole.... not unusual at all but indication on a balance issue. Like most of us.

Therustys post is great. Lots of valuable input here. I like the way he explains the angeling of the hipps in order to bring hipps into the turn. Great stuff.

Now when I look at the video over and over again I feel I am not fair to Ryan in the sence that he is really coping well with steep difficult conditions here. I mentioned above that he looks causius but its a good sign. Looks like there are lots of reserve left over for unexpected change in terrain. I dont see any indication on severe problems of any kind. Outside ski also skidds a bit because of the wet spring snow that is floating on top of harder snow layers and skis feel sticky. Also the run seems to have a double fall line to the right seen from ryans perspective and the entrance into hole in the bush has to be cordinated to speed and turns. He also has to avoid the cameraman and he is a bit nervous because he is being filmed.

The upper body separation is to my eye more a result of absorbing the impact of skidding skis gripping
post #10 of 12
This looks pretty solid to me. Not the best of conditions, but it doesn't seem to bother you at all. You could ski pretty much any conditions anywhere with this advanced technique of yours. I also would encourage the rotation and the completion of turns the way that you do. This is an economical style that takes advantage of the new skis. And it seems to work quite well for you. You do let the skis carve, a nice thing to watch. I also encourage your holding (or full completion) of turns to control speed, especially as you are on uneven spring terrain and also finishing this particular hill with a chute through the trees into another trail. I'd rather see this than you letting it all out to impress your video audience.

The big questions, though, are: Is this pretty much the technique and the tactics you use when you ski? How do you feel about your skiing? How do you feel when you ski?
post #11 of 12
First, thanks for the response and fantastic feedback. An epic supporter getting far more than his money's worth for sure. I really appreciate the thought that's gone into these responses.

To answer your questions, Nightcat:

The snow was such that the tentativeness seen here, manifesting in symptoms alluded to in detail above, was unnecessary. Milesb and I ended the day with two shots down this line; this is the second go-through you see here. I have to say that after the first time through, I thought "wow, this snow is really nice, I don't have to hold back at all the next time through." This was before we agreed that getting a video wouldn't be a bad idea. I can't say whether or not I'd have taken a different line or approached the turns differently but there is something to be said for spontaneously jumping into some turns from the catwalk, as opposed to stopping and thinking about where you want to turn and what you're trying to accomplish with the vid. Having said that, I tend to ski very poorly when the camera is on. I felt good about these turns but expected to see in the video the problems I felt while skiing, and they are there.

In short, the skiing felt good - I've skied this terrain and felt and looked a lot worse, and not that long ago - with the only BUT being the snow conditions were conducive to a more aggressive approach, which might've looked better at first glance - speed will add flair where technique is short - but the same issues would have been easily visible to the eyes here.
post #12 of 12
Ski faster (if you feel safe doing that).
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